Read Between The Lines . . .

[Taffi Abernathy]

Hi Pen Buddies, I meant that literally, please read the writing between the lines since it appears too light. What should I do differently?:cheers:

[shandy]

I really love your handwriting Faith! As to the question.

I find fine nibs always lay down a lighter line that the broad ones. Also it might be that it could be improved by increasing the ink flow so that it is a wetter writer as the fine nib might let less volume of ink through.
I have heard some folks run a thin piece of plastic , like the wall of a yogurt carton between the tines so that the ink flows more freely but I have not done that myself, I am not brave enough for such measures:chuckle:

If you have a converter it might be worth trying some noodlers ink as that is well know to be a very fluid ink!

Other than that do for a broader nib. Sorry I can't be more help.

[shandy]

Oh yes, one more thing. You might want to put a little more pressure on the nib as you put it to paper so that you can see the tines seperate slightly, this may widen the distance a little and help.

[Bisquitlips]

Faith,

Before you filled the pen, did you prepare it for ink?

Most FP aficionados believe that it is best to prep the pen by rinsing it with a combination of dish soap and water. That would be about 1 tsp of soap per quart of water. Then rinse the pen thoroughly.

This will rid the pen of any residues left behind from the manufacturing.

Good luck!

And, yes! Your handwriting is to be envied!

[shandy]

Faith,

Before you filled the pen, did you prepare it for ink?

Most FP aficionados believe that it is best to prep the pen by rinsing it with a combination of dish soap and water. That would be about 1 tsp of soap per quart of water. Then rinse the pen thoroughly.

This will rid the pen of any residues left behind from the manufacturing.

Good luck!

And, yes! Your handwriting is to be envied!

:dummy: I totaly forgot that bit Richard!

[Lol-x]

I never knew to do that rinsing, thanks for the tip off :cheers:

[Lol-x]

Faith is that your new Lamy you are using?

I feel that the nib on my Lamy doesn't allow the ink to flow freely enough. I'm not sure what to do.

I went to the Noodlers website and they say that there should be a very small gap at the end of the tines such that you can fit a fine piece of paper between them. I know that is impossible on my Lamy. :thinking:

See the link:
http://www.noodlersink.com/nibs.html

I think the problem is with the nib, if my Lamy is anything to go by, and I have the extra broad nib in mine, so with your finer nib I'm guessing that the problem may be even more significant for you.

Any more information you can provide might enable more assistance to be rendered :cheers:

[2careless]

Also to consider is what paper are you using?
Is this one of those 60gsm paper with recycled content or it's smoother and thicker?

[Taffi Abernathy]

First, thank you one and all for your help. I wish I knew enough about fps to formulate other questions. The only question I have at this point is: Did I make a mistake not purchasing a converter? I attempted to place a thin piece of paper between the tines, but I was unable - not enough room. Despite these difficulties, using a fp seems like a fun way to write. I am really enamored with the Pelikan Demonstrator M205 and am thinking of purchasing it, but don't want to encounter the same problems. I will post a picture of this pen, it's simple and just a beautiful shade of blue. Should I move forward with the Pelikan or order a converter for the Lamy? Any thoughts? BTW, I want you guys to know that I appreciate your feedback and expertise. I feel like I'm asking very basic questions but this is a new type of pen for me, and we all have to gain knowledge somehow and sometime. Thanks again. Faith

[Taffi Abernathy]

I love this pen. I love Pelikans because they are lightweight yet well-made. This particular pen appeals to me because it is simple, the color is pretty and I think it's neat that you can see its inner workings. :bye:

[2careless]

The choice of using a convertor vs a cartridge is mostly on practicality.
Convertor means you can go and buy bottles of ink and fill in all kinds of different color/viscosity/scent to your delights. The down side is that bottle ink is not convenient e.g. you need one bottle (or more) at work and at home.
Cartridge you have fewer choices of inks but they are easily portable. Also, in terms of cost cartridges are much more expensive than bottles.

Last, some small pens are cartridge filled only so the choice is already taken away from you and if you want to use different inks the only option is to get a syringe with a blunt tip to transfer ink from bottle to a used cartridge and then fill up.

[shandy]

Thinking on it Faith, when I have used Cartridges I have found the flow not to be as good, I don't know if they use a thicker ink but in any case I would highly recommend a converter, they are very cheap and open you up to a myriad of possibilities with ink. I would recommend FPH's ink review section, it is very well done!

You would also be stepping up quite a bit with the Pelikan, Every one I have used has had really nice juicy nibs and if you are thinking of one any way you have nothing to lose!

Do you prefer fine nibs? If you are not fussed then certainly try a medium or broader nib.

Also you might want to consider ordering the Pelikan from a Nib meister like John Mottishaw. The reason I say that is that he makes sure the pen will write just how you want it to.. This service is not to be underestimated! the standard service that costs no more than the pen is to assure that the ink flow is how you want it. you can take it from there but the costs do add up!

[Taffi Abernathy]

I love the different colored inks, and as a young girl, I had a pen with perfumed ink. It was wonderful! I think the next time around I will get a converter. In fact, if memory serves, the Pelikan may only be available using this method. I feel like I've received an entire pen education in the short time this "Writing Section" has been up and running. This has become my favorite part of the forums!

Most everyone posting in this section has such sophisticated tastes. While I'm glad I own the 2 Mont Blancs, I love Pelikans best because they make writing a joy. MBs become heavy very quickly. I don't aspire to own pens costing as much as the budget for a third world country, but when I look at some of the pens you guys have posted, it's very impressive! I will look into John Mottishaw's services. Thank you so much!

[shandy]

I love this pen. I love Pelikans because they are lightweight yet well-made. This particular pen appeals to me because it is simple, the color is pretty and I think it's neat that you can see its inner workings. :bye:

That is a very fine looking pen!

[shandy]

I just saw that Richard Binder, another incredible nibmeister has these pens, he is fantastic as well as well as Greg Menuskin (think that is how you spell his name!)
Oh yes, the Pelikan is a piston filler so lovely and simple to fill!

[2careless]

Personally I have my reservations on demonstrators. It's good and fine when there is water or no ink inside the pen. Once inked, if the piston is not clean then there will be ink residue on the "dry" side of the piston and over time this will look very dirty. I'd rather getting an opaque barrel - no see, no pain.
Just my 2c.

[Taffi Abernathy]

Personally I have my reservations on demonstrators. It's good and fine when there is water or no ink inside the pen. Once inked, if the piston is not clean then there will be ink residue on the "dry" side of the piston and over time this will look very dirty. I'd rather getting an opaque barrel - no see, no pain.
Just my 2c.

Is there any way to clean it periodically to mitigate residue?

[smc]

Beautiful handwriting :)

the first thing I would check is whether it is clean or not. Both from dried ink and from lint or other fibers. Another thing that would cause this is a misshapen nib. I can't say I've ever used a nib that had a gap large enough for a piece of paper to fit in. More likely however is the angle you are holding the pen at. Most fountain pens need to be held at a less steep angle from the paper (not as vertical) as compared to ball points. The last tip would be to work it in to your style of grip.

[2careless]

Is there any way to clean it periodically to mitigate residue?

It really depends on the pen design and to that I'm a newbie.
Sorry I can't be of help here.

I suppose ask the pen shop how to clean it. They should know :-)

[Lol-x]

Faith, this is what I would do.

1. Get the Pelikan if you really like it, I thought the FPH had these on special. Pelikans are great pens, just make sure if you can to try it out first or get a nib that you know you will like. I personally would forget about fine and medium tips, get something broad or broader and oblique too will give you a great line variation.

2. Get the Lamy nib changed, just tell the seller it isn't working properly. Maybe get a broader nib. Somehow I don't think going from a cartridge to a converter may cure the flow situation, but for the $10 it costs for the converter it's worth a try.

3. As Kai suggests try writing on some other type of paper, that can make a difference.

4. I promise you that a broader nib will give you a juicer flow of ink and a more distinctive line to your writing (i'm not criticising your writing for one moment).

5. If you can go the shop and try the different nibs on offer.

This isn't as good as it gets, this isn't how it's meant to be, you do need to persevere a you will get a very wonderful pen and when you do you will be so happy I promise you. Don't give up. Just think of this as part of the journey that will make the result all that more fulfilling, true!!! :twit:

[Taffi Abernathy]

Faith, this is what I would do.

1. Get the Pelikan if you really like it, I thought the FPH had these on special. Pelikans are great pens, just make sure if you can to try it out first or get a nib that you know you will like.
:

Thanks for all your help, Steve. And as far as purchasing the Pelikan is concerned - break my arm. I'm not going to try to salvage the Lamy as I have my heart set on that demonstrator model; I just love that blue! I'm going to find a stationery store here in Philly where I can at least hold these pens in my hand even if I am unable to write with them. The next post you see might well be that Pelikan! :cheers::bye:

[shandy]

Thanks for all your help, Steve. And as far as purchasing the Pelikan is concerned - break my arm. I'm not going to try to salvage the Lamy as I have my heart set on that demonstrator model; I just love that blue! I'm going to find a stationery store here in Philly where I can at least hold these pens in my hand even if I am unable to write with them. The next post you see might well be that Pelikan! :cheers::bye:

Hi Faith.
I was just looking at Glenn Marcus's
site http://www.glennspens.ca/ ( a local fellow here nad a great resource for all things pen!) and he recommends this store in your city, not sure if they do Pelikan though!

Holt's Cigars
1522 Walnut Street
Philadelphia, PA 19102

2154-732-8500

I agree with Steve, if you can get yourself a broader nib you won't regret it, lot of ink flow and much nicer line variation. You have lovely handwriting and I can only imagine what it would be like with a broader nib or a stub or italic!

This might give you an idea. They are samples of what the different Pelikan nibs offer!
http://i297.photobucket.com/albums/mm225/ianmedium/PelikanWritingSamples.gif

[BarkMaster]

I am SO taking notes!

If Santa doesn't bring me a fountain pen, I am getting one myself!

[AWATCH]

Hi Faith, don't know a thing about pens, just wanted to say you have nice writing:bye:

[Taffi Abernathy]

Thanks, Shandy, very helpful. I will call over to Holt's today to inquire about that pen.

Al, thank you so much for the nice compliment.

[Bisquitlips]

Faith,

I have been to Holts and loved that shop. I went for cigars, but did see a lot of nice pens while visiting.

Now make sure you pick yourself up a nice Arturo Fuente Chateau to smoke with you are writing with that new Pel! You will be surprised how well a fine pen and fine cigar go together.

And be sure and post a photo of you utilizing both! :chuckle::chuckle::thumbsup:

[TSW]

Love your handwriting Faith!!

[Taffi Abernathy]

Just what the situation calls for - a nice (Cuban?) cigar to smoke while I am writing hate mail to the tobacco industry! All that's left is for me to break open a can of beer and look for a good ballgame.

[Taffi Abernathy]

Schroder,

Thanks for the kind words, Sub Guy! (Congratulations!)

[Bisquitlips]

Just what the situation calls for - a nice (Cuban?) cigar to smoke while I am writing hate mail to the tobacco industry! All that's left is for me to break open a can of beer and look for a good ballgame.


Faith!!!!!

I love your hair like that!!!


http://www.rolexforums.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=95698&stc=1&d=1258070798

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

[Taffi Abernathy]

Faith!!!!!

I love your hair like that!!!

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:


Richard,

That's a lovely compliment but the picture I posted was Grace Slick, former lead singer for Jefferson Airplane. You're right, she has great hair and left modeling for a singing career. :cheers:

[Bisquitlips]

Richard,

That's a lovely compliment but the picture I posted was Grace Slick, former lead singer for Jefferson Airplane. You're right, she has great hair and left modeling for a singing career. :cheers:

LOL! :thumbsup::thumbsup: Twas a joke!

"In nineteen hundred and seventy five, all my people rose from the countryside.

Locked together hand in hand, all through this unsteady land!"

Oh, yeah. I know Gracie Slick and JA. From about 35 years ago. :smokin::smokin:

[Taffi Abernathy]

LOL! :thumbsup::thumbsup: Twas a joke!

"In nineteen hundred and seventy five, all my people rose from the countryside.

Locked together hand in hand, all through this unsteady land!"

Oh, yeah. I know Gracie Slick and JA. From about 35 years ago. :smokin::smokin:

I'm relieved, and thought you might have been joking. But as we both know, in cyberspace you can't take anything for granted. :cheers:

[Bisquitlips]

I'm relieved, and thought you might have been joking. But as we both know, in cyberspace you can't take anything for granted. :cheers:

My bad.... :rofl::rofl:

I should have put a :chuckle::chuckle: or a :dummy::dummy: or a :justkiddi:justkiddi after my comments.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

[B Square]

Faith you have beautiful penmanship, something I've always taken pride in. Recently I found some recipies that my mom had hand written many years ago (at least 50). I was amazed how much it resembeld my own handwriting. How about yours?
Boyd

[Taffi Abernathy]

Faith you have beautiful penmanship, something I've always taken pride in. Recently I found some recipies that my mom had hand written many years ago (at least 50). I was amazed how much it resembeld my own handwriting. How about yours?
Boyd

Hey Boyd, hope you're well. Thanks, now that you mention it, I believe my writing is similar to my mother's. We should probably start a thread of handwriting samples! :cheers:

[shandy]

Hey Boyd, hope you're well. Thanks, now that you mention it, I believe my writing is similar to my mother's. We should probably start a thread of handwriting samples! :cheers:

This is interesting as my handwriting is very similar to my Mum's!
How did you get on with your Pelikan Faith?

[Taffi Abernathy]

How did you get on with your Pelikan Faith?

My quest for the Pelikan was delayed for a couple of days . . . I had a maintenance man come in to make a repair. He swung the door open, knocked over my stand holding two Bowflex weights, the plates went flying in every direction, and ultimately, the heaviest one landed:bye: on my DVD player, breaking it. Replacing that has become my priority, so hopefully later today I will contact Holt's and let you know what's going on. :cheers:

[Lol-x]

I'm sorry to hear about your DVD misfortune. I hope this doesn't postpone your pen purchase for too long. :twit:

Anyway, maybe it will give you more time to consider, perhaps you might consider a Montblanc :cheers:

[shandy]

My quest for the Pelikan was delayed for a couple of days . . . I had a maintenance man come in to make a repair. He swung the door open, knocked over my stand holding two Bowflex weights, the plates went flying in every direction, and ultimately, the heaviest one landed:bye: on my DVD player, breaking it. Replacing that has become my priority, so hopefully later today I will contact Holt's and let you know what's going on. :cheers:

There is a quaint old term for that which originates from my birth country..BUGGER:chuckle::chuckle:
I hope you managed to get a better DVD player that is on sale at a huge discount:thumbsup: That will allow you to leap straight ahead as Steve say's to a Mont Blanc:clap:

[Taffi Abernathy]

I just got off of the phone with Lee from Holt's Cigars who stated they had the Pelikan 800 in stock but not the Pelikan 205. He will be checking with his vendors and calling me this upcoming week. I'm also going to check with Bromfield's Pen Shop to inquire about about Pelikans and MBs. (I would only want the MB FP if I could acquire it in the Bordeaux to match the BP and RB.)
You guys should really check out Bromfield's, selection & prices are excellent and they will ship your order as soon as it's placed! :cheers: :bye:


P.S. Picked up a new Sony DVD player this morning, and will shield this one from klutzes!

[shandy]

I just got off of the phone with Lee from Holt's Cigars who stated they had the Pelikan 800 in stock but not the Pelikan 205. He will be checking with his vendors and calling me this upcoming week. I'm also going to check with Bromfield's Pen Shop to inquire about about Pelikans and MBs. (I would only want the MB FP if I could acquire it in the Bordeaux to match the BP and RB.)
You guys should really check out Bromfield's, selection & prices are excellent and they will ship your order as soon as it's placed! :cheers: :bye:


P.S. Picked up a new Sony DVD player this morning, and will shield this one from klutzes!

Well done on the new DVD player Faith, I just got one for a friend of mine this week and she loves the picture quality on it!

The 800 is a very nice pen but it is much larger than the 205. Having said that I prefer larger pens (and I have small hands) as they are more comfortable to write with for longer periods of time (as long as they are not heavy!).

Thanks for the info on Broomfields, I will google them now!