Basel 2010 - New Submariner LV ceramic..

[Tools]

From the BaselWorld Rolex Press Kit..

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Technical Specs:

SUB TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
REFERENCE (CASE / BRACELET): 116610 LV / 97200
Case
Diameter: 40 mm
Material: 904L steel
Bezel: unidirectional rotatable 60-minute graduated
with green Cerachrom insert, platinum graduations
Winding crown: Triplock
shoulders to protect the crown
Crystal: sapphire, Cyclops lens with anti-reflective coating
Waterproofness: 300 m (1,000 ft)
Movement
Calibre: 3135
Self-winding: Perpetual rotor
Date: instantaneous change and rapid setting
Oscillator: frequency: 4 Hz (28,800 beats/hour)
Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil
Precision: COSC-certified chronometer
Power reserve: ~48 hours
Dial
Surface: green gold
Hour markers: luminescent Chromalight
Hands: luminescent Chromalight
Bracelet
Material: 904L steel
Type: Oyster
Clasp: Rolex Glidelock

Glidelock Details
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[rfknauss]

Larry, did you notice in the specs that the green Cerachrom insert has platinum graduations? Wouldn't that suggest this watch could be more expensive than we think?
:cheers:

[Tools]

Larry, did you notice in the specs that the green Cerachrom insert has platinum graduations? Wouldn't that suggest this watch could be more expensive than we think?
:cheers:

The GMT IIc already has either gold or platinum PVD numbers, so I think that the price point will be slightly above that as a base...... I think the price driver on this watch will be the "Green Gold" dial - whatever that means..:thinking:

[mldaytona]

Stunning timepiece! I love the new LV, Larry :thumbsup::thumbsup: Thanks for posting the photos.

[anipit]

So the new submariner, will be available in 3 colours, black on black, green on green and blue on blue.

My opinion is that the blue/blue (in white gold), will decrease his appeal, because it is only a matter of different metal, no longer different case, different bezel, different dots size.

And of course, if i ever will buy a new black sub, i will also buy a blue dial end blue bezel....... who will know it is only Ssteel instead of Wgold??

[JBat]

I have to admit, the new LV looks better in these pics than the ones I saw on the main board. I still don't see myself wearing a green dialed watch, though.

[Latrodectus]

I think it looks good! I would wear it all green...

[SSD]

I like the dial! It almost makes the ceramic bezel seem washed out, the blue dial should have the same treatment. I am most curious to see what "green gold" means.

[SecretSauce]

From the Gold Wiki:

"Because of the softness of pure (24k) gold, it is usually alloyed with base metals for use in jewelry, altering its hardness and ductility, melting point, color and other properties. Alloys with lower caratage, typically 22k, 18k, 14k or 10k, contain higher percentages of copper, or other base metals or silver or palladium in the alloy. Copper is the most commonly used base metal, yielding a redder color. Eighteen carat gold containing 25% copper is found in antique and Russian jewelry and has a distinct, though not dominant, copper cast, creating rose gold. Fourteen carat gold-copper alloy is nearly identical in color to certain bronze alloys, and both may be used to produce police, as well as other, badges. Blue gold can be made by alloying with iron and purple gold can be made by alloying with aluminium, although rarely done except in specialized jewelry. Blue gold is more brittle and therefore more difficult to work with when making jewelry. Fourteen and eighteen carat gold alloys with silver alone appear greenish-yellow and are referred to as green gold. White gold alloys can be made with palladium or nickel. White 18 carat gold containing 17.3% nickel, 5.5% zinc and 2.2% copper is silver in appearance. Nickel is toxic, however, and its release from nickel white gold is controlled by legislation in Europe. Alternative white gold alloys are available based on palladium, silver and other white metals (World Gold Council), but the palladium alloys are more expensive than those using nickel. High-carat white gold alloys are far more resistant to corrosion than are either pure silver or sterling silver. The Japanese craft of Mokume-gane exploits the color contrasts between laminated colored gold alloys to produce decorative wood-grain effects."

This doesn't look "greenish-yellow", however... :thinking:

[bewithabob]

uh ohhh...this watch spells trouble for me I think....

[lightspire]

I really like the new Green Submariner. A unique take on the classic diver

[SecretSauce]

Sorry to say, but I think it looks ridiculous. Hope I don't offend...

[Deyn Man]

And of course, if i ever will buy a new black sub, i will also buy a blue dial end blue bezel....... who will know it is only Ssteel instead of Wgold??

and you would do this because....? :thinking:
the WG sub has polished WG center links versus the 904L steel on both the black subC and the Hulk sub...

[Brunotheboxer]

At first I hated it but now.............Showed the pic to my dad thinking he would throw up and he actually liked it. I wouldn't buy one but I think it will sell.

[everose]

I love the sunburst design dial,making the color seem to vary.....its so vibrant and rich!!!:thumbsup:

Sadly,i cannot conclude the same about the bezel color....they should have stayed with a black ceramic bezel and let the beautiful dial do the "Green Reference thing," until they have a colored ceramic which is bright,vibrant and lusterous.


We should reserve any final judgements until we see in in the flesh though.
I remember thinking how hideous the green dial GMT always looked.....until i finally saw one in person,...stunning....totally different from the photos!!!!!


:cheers:

[bodybump]

i think it would look even better in person...

[sleddog]

i think it would look even better in person...

I agree Oscar....:thumbsup:
Even though I think I'll be inline for the LNc first......:agree:

[jets]

And of course, if i ever will buy a new black sub, i will also buy a blue dial end blue bezel....... who will know it is only Ssteel instead of Wgold??

Rolex won't sell the blue bezel and dial to just anyone. Your watch has to be damaged and sent to them as they want to control the availability of these kinds of parts to deter people from doing what you suggested. They do the same thing with LV bezels. Plus, even if you did WIS's like us would spot the fact you wouldn't have PCL's and therefore not a true WG sub :cheers:

[sea-dweller]

I like it ! Would like to see it "up close and personal" !!!

[Autobot]

Wow, that is stunning, I may have to change my mind of my next watch

[asadtiger]

its a bit too green...the dial was fine enough being black when the bezel was green...the LV actualy looked really lovely...I would like to know two things:

1). is this green dial version a limited edition and there will be the regular LV with ceramic green bezel afterwards?

2). is the dial of all the new ceramic subs (blk/blue/green) 'maxi' dial or is that still unique to the LV?

thanks a lot :)

[Tools]

its a bit too green...the dial was fine enough being black when the bezel was green...the LV actualy looked really lovely...I would like to know two things:

1). is this green dial version a limited edition and there will be the regular LV with ceramic green bezel afterwards?

2). is the dial of all the new ceramic subs (blk/blue/green) 'maxi' dial or is that still unique to the LV?

thanks a lot :)

1) there has not been any indication of any other LV's.

2) All Sub ceramics hava a maxi-dial..

[Redrubicon]

Wow! Great pics. Thanks Larry.

[thecoinopcollector]

I like it! Very cool.

[4000 feet]

most likely not going to buy one. Have to see in person first. Have 16610lv already.

[alby.bda]

i think is really quite ugly actually , love the old one much better.

[Mr.Mojorisen]

i would really like to see a black dial option but other than that the new case looks great if they dont offer a black dial i will most likely pick up a LN and pick up the older lv.

[Firebison]

I am considering this watch as my first Rolex. I currently own a Breitling Super-Ocean with a coral dial. I like the unusual dial colors and that's what got me interested in this watch. Is this the only green dial watch in the Rolex lineup? Were there any other green dials in previous models?

[dalip]

thanks for the pics Larry....I would like to see it on a wrist...but I like where Rolex is going - nit necessarily an improvement.. but a very different watch. Looking forward to trying one on

[multimedia]

Great looking time piece. Thx for sharing the pics with us Larry.

Honestly, I would love to get one of these some day :thumbsup:


Cheers,
Joe

[Desperado]

Has to be seen first

[docnagel]

The GMT IIc already has either gold or platinum PVD numbers, so I think that the price point will be slightly above that as a base...... I think the price driver on this watch will be the "Green Gold" dial - whatever that means..:thinking:
At canadian AD today was told retail is approx $9k,
Mike

[SteveK]

Frogmariner

[Psmith]

Pricing (thanks to David) http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=124859




Cheers
:cheers:

[toph]

I really think that this is the most hoorendous looking thing ever, and i love almost every rolex!!!

[Juggernaut]

It's nice. But I'm glad I got my non-ceramic LV when I did!

[Firebison]

Wow, lots of negative attention for this watch. I actually like it. It may be my first Rolex purchase.

[RSubSS]

I feel like i would like this watch better in person but im not a fan of the crown guards, makes the watch look more rugged and durable but i have never liked that look. Overall though it is a beautiful watch, i heard it looks "bigger" but obviously its still a 40mm....i would like to see it in person..

[Mr.Mojorisen]

does anyone know what the other side of the glide lock looks like?
meaning: does it still look like the submariner clasp on the other side or does it look like the glidelock on the 18k gold submariners?

[ckcspice]

not my cuppa tea but gota admit, it's hell of an attention grabber with that shade of green...

[Huskerjss]

Any news on what the release date is going to be on this watch? I really like the new LV and would like to see one in person in a shop.:thinking:

[ASH]

I wastold by the Rolex rep yesterday that they will in the AD's this summer

[andrew79]

I thought the current LV is already an attention grabber... but this new one will be even more so.... we'll see what happens... :)

[isolator]

Is it just me or does the beefier case make the band look to skinny?
I wish they would have gone to a 22mm lug width with corresponding bracelet that tapers to 20mm.

[drtooth73]

so they have ceramic subs in all blue WG, all green SS, black TT, whats next, red dial/bezel in red gold?

[TheFlatHead]

I guess I have to see it in person but these hi-res pics aren't doing it for me. The green dial seems a bit over-the-top and I'm not a fan of the ceramic bezels (even though I have the DSSD). I definitely like the less shiny satin finish green bezel on my LV. I wonder if I can retrofit the new glidelock bracelet on to my LV - now that would awesome!

[RoleXavier]

and you would do this because....? :thinking:
the WG sub has polished WG center links versus the 904L steel on both the black subC and the Hulk sub...

I kinda like that "nickname" for the 116610LV "HULKSUB":thumbsup:

[JohnEaton]

The GMT IIc already has either gold or platinum PVD numbers, so I think that the price point will be slightly above that as a base...... I think the price driver on this watch will be the "Green Gold" dial - whatever that means..:thinking:

Great thread Larry :clap:

Re above: The color of the green dial comes from blending yellow gold powder with aluminum powder.

At first I was determined "NOT" to like the new 116610 LV. I have an early 16610LV, a 14060 and a red 1680... I love the classic Sub... How could I possibly appreciate this new "thing???"

But as of late I must admit the new 116610LV is growing on me. I can see this watch joining my collection. Yes it is blocky, but not as much as my DSSD; and it has the glidelock, I absolutely love the comfort of the glidelock.

[Aitken-Smith]

It's nice. But I'm glad I got my non-ceramic LV when I did!

Dear Alex {Droog}, The jury is out..... this new watch could do my gulliver in. But Ludwig van might help me out artistically.

Regards Stephen

[ETT]

I think it's stunning. Almost enough so to distract me from my quest of obtaining a GMT Master II as my first Rolex acquisition

Ed

[Aitken-Smith]

I think it's stunning. Almost enough so to distract me from my quest of obtaining a GMT Master II as my first Rolex acquisition

Ed

Dear Ed , you're probably right the new sub looks very nice indeed.

regards stephen

[wjrw592]

I just saw the new ceramic Sub in July/August 2010 Departures magazine
in Green / Green dial - list price $7,725. That's quite a jump from $6,400
list for the LV Green/Black combination but there are lots of upgrades on it.

I think it will be tough to like at first & then grow me over some time like
the SS/plat Yachmaster did ~ back to saving for a new watch!

[orioner]

I personally like the new lunette verde. Do you guys like the new or older one? I think a poll would be interesting

[Juggernaut]

I don't mind the green dial so much, but I just can't get past the super case. I think the profile and the proportions of the previous line is perfect...a classic!
Plus, I always prefer Matte finishes and so I don't care for the high shine on the ceramic bezel inserts.

[djmarcox]

whats the us retail on this at the moment.. Im looking for my first rolex and I think this is the one I want..

[Siddhartha Roy]

I am considering this watch as my first Rolex. I currently own a Breitling Super-Ocean with a coral dial. I like the unusual dial colors and that's what got me interested in this watch. Is this the only green dial watch in the Rolex lineup? Were there any other green dials in previous models?

GMT has one green dial black bezel in all yellow gold. It just looks gorgeous.

Siddhartha Roy

[Siddhartha Roy]

Pictures are indeed very nice. Dubai dealer Ahmed Seddiqi & Sons did not have the model as late as 17th Sept.2010. I was informed that the model is expected to hit Dubai show rooms around October 2010. I just love it. Look forward to own it in the not too distant future.

Siddhartha Roy

[sandcrab]

I have seen the watch at South Coast Plaza, Baron and Leeds. The green is muted and looks rich. It definitely looks better in person; I just happen to gravitate more towards the precious metals than SS, but still a beautiful watch.

[Irrigate]

Great pics.

[rose94grad]

The Green on Green is my first rolex and I absolutely love it!
I saw it and had to pull the trigger!!!!

Had it for about two weeks now.

[hotfire]

If not mistaken, Rolex hardly had anti-reflective coating.
Does this coating apply to inside only? Or both sides?

I asked several AD, they had no clue.
On the other hand, how could one really tell from the look?

[skarama]

I just got one today; I surprisingly (I wasn't quite taken by the original pictures) fell for it on first sight. While the pictures presented here are superb, they do not render justice to the shade of green of the watch. 'In the flesh', the green is richer and darker than is suggested by the pictures.

[cmills]

I think the watch is stunning. I wish I could rationalize spending the scratch.

[drockadam]

Very nice bezel!

[TARDIS]

Classic design, great watch but why oh why the color green. Green is the mariners bad luck color so its hardly an appropriate hue for a watch designed for the sea is it?

Just my 2c

[Lol-x]

My opinion is that the blue/blue (in white gold), will decrease his appeal, because it is only a matter of different metal, no longer different case, different bezel, different dots size.


The blue is very nice....WG is a very serious material especially the way Rolex make it. They do not do a white gold plating but a solid white gold material made from a special combination of yellow gold and other precious metals.

The WG model is actually more exclusive and expensive than the yellow gold model. (There are 5 models (SS in black or green dial, Two Tone with blue dial, YG with black dial and white gold with blue dial).

As for the green dial........well green is the corporate colour of Rolex. Personally I will never wear a green coloured dial.

[zeppe19avr]

Too much green for me:twit:

[sakakaki]

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[sakakaki]

When you look at the dial in low light it looks black like in the 50th this is something i love about it


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[hrheim]

Beautiful watch!

[masterserg]

I was just looking at this ... I wish they would have kept the old font on the dial (the tight 1000ft=300m with the large f). It is a pretty small detail but it looks really cool to me.

This is by far my favorite watch (within my budget of course).