Basel 2010 - New Submariner LN ceramic

[Tools]

From the BaselWorld Press Kit..

123708

123731

123732

And, for something a bit different:
125854

Technical Specs:

SUB TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
REFERENCE (CASE / BRACELET): 116610 LN/97200
Case
Diameter: 40 mm
Material: 904L steel
Bezel: unidirectional rotatable 60-minute graduated
with black Cerachrom insert, platinum graduations
Winding crown: Triplock
shoulders to protect the crown
Crystal: sapphire, Cyclops lens with anti-reflective coating
Waterproofness: 300 m (1,000 ft)
Movement
Calibre: 3135
Self-winding: Perpetual rotor
Date: instantaneous change and rapid setting
Oscillator: frequency: 4 Hz (28,800 beats/hour)
Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil
Precision: COSC-certified chronometer
Power reserve: ~48 hours
Dial
Hour markers: luminescent Chromalight
Hands: luminescent Chromalight
Bracelet
Material: 904L steel
Type: Oyster
Clasp: Rolex Glidelock

Bracelet Detail:

123707

[delldeaton]

Thanks, Larry.

Would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison, maybe even feature versus feature, against the current Rolex 16610 Submariner Date. Er, that is to say "current?" I guess: Anyone know the status of the 16610? My local AD said the other week that there haven't been any available to come in for a while now.

[STEELINOX]

No SubDates to be had here neither. We did see a COSC no date at the last GTG a few weeks ago. I bet its gone now...

[SteveK]

a logical evolution, im waiting to see the daytona anniversary model in two years

[JBat]

Oh yeah, this one is gonna sell. :agree:

[rfknauss]

Oh yeah, this one is gonna sell. :agree:

I agree John.
:agree:

[mpkRolex]

Now this is only one I liked from this year..Ceramic looks cool :thumbsup:

[mpkRolex]

a logical evolution, im waiting to see the daytona anniversary model in two years

x2 :thumbsup:

[JJ Irani]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: At last, do we have the PERFECT & COMPLETE watch from Rolex? :thumbsup:

[SSD]

Pretty darn close, JJ!!!

[children]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: At last, do we have the PERFECT & COMPLETE watch from Rolex? :thumbsup:

How is the gmt iic not perfect and complete already?

[DSJ]

How is the gmt iic not perfect and complete already?

Good question! :thumbsup:

[ParisDakarBmw]

Nice watch!

[Carlos98326194]

Love the Glidelock!

[Deyn Man]

officially dropping the deep sea on my "next to buy" list (and changing my avatar as well)... this is it then! :drul:
good thing i'm still saving up for it so by the time it does come out a the local AD, i might have enough for this baby! :thumbsup:

[Brunotheboxer]

If I had to choose my 16610 at the price I paid which was about $4500 two years ago this month and this new one at the new price which is about $7000, hands down I would choose mine and pocket the difference everyday.. I do think that this watch is WIN though...



BALL.

[Dr.B]

Ahh...I have possibly found my next watch :cheers::cheers:

[moby33]

How is the gmt iic not perfect and complete already?

Good question! :thumbsup:

For me that's an easy answer. Lack of unidirectional bezel (I actually dive w/ my watches and need a unidirectional bezel), lack of timing bezel (I actually use the timing function on a daily basis) and more importantly for everyday use - the incorporation of the Glidelock clasp. Those are the top 3 that jump out at me of why the GMT-C can't be considered the 'perfect/complete' watch.

That said, I've got to believe it's only a matter of time before Rolex incorporates the Glidelock into all their sport lines of watches, but as long as the GMT still does not have one, it will take a backseat to the Sub IMO. :cheers:

[JJ Irani]

For me that's an easy answer. Lack of unidirectional bezel (I actually dive w/ my watches and need a unidirectional bezel), lack of timing bezel (I actually use the timing function on a daily basis) and more importantly for everyday use - the incorporation of the Glidelock clasp. Those are the top 3 that jump out at me of why the GMT-C can't be considered the 'perfect/complete' watch.

That said, I've got to believe it's only a matter of time before Rolex incorporates the Glidelock into all their sport lines of watches, but as long as the GMT still does not have one, it will take a backseat to the Sub IMO. :cheers:

Good points, Moby; but the GLIDELOCK system replaces the older FLIPLOCK DIVER EXTENSION system.............so we will see this new GLIDELOCK system only on the DIVER models.

JJ

[jlaw]

What are these actually going to sell for when they finally start showing up in stores here in the US?

[Tools]

What are these actually going to sell for when they finally start showing up in stores here in the US?

I would expect the initial price sheets to show a price slightly above $7k..........

[moby33]

Good points, Moby; but the GLIDELOCK system replaces the older FLIPLOCK DIVER EXTENSION system.............so we will see this new GLIDELOCK system only on the DIVER models.

JJ

Absolutely...I hear you on the 'true' purpose of the system, but I still think Rolex should incorporate the design in all its sport watches.

I dive with my watch as often as I can, but in reality, 99% of the time my watch is used on dry land (just like 99% of other owners I'm sure). The extension system is used a ton more in my day-to-day activities than in diving and I know if I owned a GMT equipped w/ Glidelock I would use the feature just as much. The Glidelock is TOO GOOD IMO to be restricted to only diving watches.

To get back on topic, I must admit this SS Sub, while not a surprise, is everything I hoped it would be. :thumbsup: I can't wait to see one in person...I just might have to become a Sea-Dweller & Sub owner once again.

Cheers.

[Big Willie]

When can we cop?

[jlaw]

I would expect the initial price sheets to show a price slightly above $7k..........
Yeah, but will they actually sell for that much? I imagine when they first become available there will be those willing to pay a premium, but we aren't talking about a particularly limited run here - where will the "real" price point be?

[zak98]

super!

[onkyo]

Great looking watch and a superb upgrade to classic timepiece.... :thumbsup:

[sea-dweller]

Beautiful !

[chrislkb]

I want one!

[therolexguy]

I love it!

[Daytonaboy1977]

How is the gmt iic not perfect and complete already?

Have to totally agree there:thumbsup:

[andrew79]

I want one if I can afford it this year .... :)

[dalip]

I'm going to put my LV on right now ...because I know it's upset at the thought of any upgrade....and I want to let it know that it isn't threatened in the slightest!

Thanks for the pics and specs larry....personally...I think the new Sub SS is a huge improvement ... but not in terms of the LV...which is a relief!

[TRolex]

I asked the ad in my country (Turkey) they said it is about 8500 and 8800 CHF (approximately 8000 usd). and 16610 is 7075 usd ...

[bigalsformula02]

Is it coming out this year?

[R S]

Absolutely...I hear you on the 'true' purpose of the system, but I still think Rolex should incorporate the design in all its sport watches.

I dive with my watch as often as I can, but in reality, 99% of the time my watch is used on dry land (just like 99% of other owners I'm sure). The extension system is used a ton more in my day-to-day activities than in diving and I know if I owned a GMT equipped w/ Glidelock I would use the feature just as much. The Glidelock is TOO GOOD IMO to be restricted to only diving watches.

To get back on topic, I must admit this SS Sub, while not a surprise, is everything I hoped it would be. :thumbsup: I can't wait to see one in person...I just might have to become a Sea-Dweller & Sub owner once again.

Cheers.
I agree 99% is on dry land and the extension is only good over a thick wetsuit. So 99.9% of the time, average people never need the feature. The Glidelock could be used more often, And for varying thickness IMHO... RS

[α-ψ!]

Is it coming out this year?

i asked my ad in greece and he told me september but he didnt no for sure!

[116520]

Very nice! Where is the no date version?? :cheers:

[emoney]

Thanks, Larry.

Would be interesting to see a side-by-side comparison, maybe even feature versus feature, against the current Rolex 16610 Submariner Date. Er, that is to say "current?" I guess: Anyone know the status of the 16610? My local AD said the other week that there haven't been any available to come in for a while now.

So I waited a good 15 years until I was out of school and paid of my student loans before I finally splurged on a new beloved Black SS Rolex Sub Date (16610) in 2007 from an AD, now they made all these spiffy upgrades;:banghead: I've considered selling mine and buying the new black one, but after reading the forum, I'm wondering if mine will be more desirable since you can't buy them anymore, or if it will drop in value because it doesn’t have all the improvements the new one has. Thoughts? :thinking:

[JJ Irani]

So I waited a good 15 years until I was out of school and paid of my student loans before I finally splurged on a new beloved Black SS Rolex Sub Date (16610) in 2007 from an AD, now they made all these spiffy upgrades;:banghead: I've considered selling mine and buying the new black one, but after reading the forum, I'm wondering if mine will be more desirable since you can't buy them anymore, or if it will drop in value because it doesn’t have all the improvements the new one has. Thoughts? :thinking:

Welcome to TRF, buddy. You made the right move, no worries.

Read this thread of mine.........which will give you an idea of things to come.

Cheers - JJ :cheers:

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=123440&highlight=A+word+of+advice%3A+Try+grab+an+SS+Sub-date+16610+if+you+can%21%21

[Psmith]

Does anyone know the overall thickness/height of the Sub C?

I'm curious to compare with the GMT IIc ...I'm expecting the Sub C to be thicker overall.



Cheers
:cheers:

[SteveK]

I would expect the initial price sheets to show a price slightly above $7k..........

the new sub will be available in Sept for around $9K

[jthomas]

the new sub will be available in Sept for around $9K

September seems about the normal guess but that's the first time I have heard 9k. Idk it just seems too much at 9 IMO. Where did you hear 9 from?

[SteveK]

from a Toronto AD, when I was up in Canada last week, I found them generally overpriced however. So i'd consider $9K the high end of the spectrum

[jthomas]

Yeah probably. I'm sure some will sell them at the premium around 9. I hope msrp isn't 9

[andrew79]

The TT submariner locally sells for about 9K USD... i don't think the SS is near that...

[Tools]

List price on the TT Sub ceramic is $10,400; the list on the 16613 was about 9k, so it took a 1,000 plus dollar jump..

The current Sub Date lists for $6,400 (LV), and so you can expect the new SS version to list for 1,000 plus over the old price - plus an extra 500 for the "green gold" dial..

That would but the 116610LN at something over 7,000 bucks, and the 116610LV at close to or over 8,000. Then, if you expect any sort of price increase before it actually hits the market...............it will be more...:cheers:

[ckcspice]

hmm not sure when this is going to arrive in my country...

[Psmith]

Does anyone know the overall thickness/height of the Sub C?

I'm curious to compare with the GMT IIc ...I'm expecting the Sub C to be thicker overall.


I found the answer to my own question...

GMT IIc: 11.9 mm

Sub C: 12.53 mm




Cheers
:cheers:

[docnagel]

I would expect the initial price sheets to show a price slightly above $7k..........


Price is about $8400.00 Canadian, just saw the price sheet today.
Mike

[Psmith]

Price is about $8400.00 Canadian, just saw the price sheet today.
Mike


If there's a straight conversion to/from US$ then... :OMG:
:chuckle:




Cheers

[Psmith]

I would expect the initial price sheets to show a price slightly above $7k..........

Larry, you were pretty much spot on :thumbsup:


http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=124859




Cheers
:cheers:

[toddb]

LOVE it, but does this bracelet have ALL solid links ? Not just SEL ? It looks like it has the new style, improved clasp , correct ? ?

[JJ Irani]

LOVE it, but does this bracelet have ALL solid links ? Not just SEL ? It looks like it has the new style, improved clasp , correct ? ?

Yes, ALL solid links and the new GLIDELOCK clasp.

JJ

[Rolexsd4000]

:thumbsup::thumbsup: At last, do we have the PERFECT & COMPLETE watch from Rolex? :thumbsup:

JJ You hit the nail on the head.

Mike

[toddb]

i was liking the twotone yachtmaster, but seem to be stuck on this upgraded bracelet and clasp now I HAVE to buy one !

[Sporting Lisbon]

My AD in (Portugal) told me that the new Ceramic Sub is going to arrive in September.

The price will be something around 5.400 Euros (as the old one costs 4.600)

I am already waiting for mine :agree:

[Roley]

This new Sub looks great!! Ceramic, Maxi Dial, Brushed Bracelet with Glide Lock. It's perfect!!! :thumbsup:

[holtz]

From the BaselWorld Press Kit..

123708

123731

123732

And, for something a bit different:
125854

Technical Specs:

SUB TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS
REFERENCE (CASE / BRACELET): 116610 LN/97200
Case
Diameter: 40 mm
Material: 904L steel
Bezel: unidirectional rotatable 60-minute graduated
with black Cerachrom insert, platinum graduations
Winding crown: Triplock
shoulders to protect the crown
Crystal: sapphire, Cyclops lens with anti-reflective coating
Waterproofness: 300 m (1,000 ft)
Movement
Calibre: 3135
Self-winding: Perpetual rotor
Date: instantaneous change and rapid setting
Oscillator: frequency: 4 Hz (28,800 beats/hour)
Parachrom hairspring with Breguet overcoil
Precision: COSC-certified chronometer
Power reserve: ~48 hours
Dial
Hour markers: luminescent Chromalight
Hands: luminescent Chromalight
Bracelet
Material: 904L steel
Type: Oyster
Clasp: Rolex Glidelock

Bracelet Detail:

123707

Nice looking watch eh?

[wsaraceni]

i really really really want this watch. as for the new vs old ones. id take an old no date and this new date model and have the perfect pair

[wjrw592]

Guys,

I just saw this new Sub listed in the July/August 2101 Departures magazine
in All Green with a description calling it "Oyster Perpetual Submariner
Date" with a $7,725 list price! Ouch, that would be quite a bump up but as
my AD said, the bump to ceramic in the Blue Sub was $1,100 and this is a
more significant upgrade than that was. Stay tuned!

[David Maddern]

I must admit the watch looks good but the new profile still hasn't won me over ......

[Jinder]

Love that last one, what a monster!

[Grey.Coupe]

Well, I have had my black ceramic SSD for about a month now, and I really, really like it. I upgraded from the previous because of the ceramic bezel, and especially because of the new bracelet. Looked at casually today, unless the light is just right, there are no highly noticeable differences in the bezel.

But the bracelet is a huge upgrade from the prior FlipLock, and to my mind, made with much more care and precision.

For those sitting on the fence, I upgraded to the new version, and am very happy with it. Great accuracy, too.

[davidwillson]

Good points, Moby; but the GLIDELOCK system replaces the older FLIPLOCK DIVER EXTENSION system.............so we will see this new GLIDELOCK system only on the DIVER models.

JJ

What are these actually going to sell for when they finally start showing up in stores here in the US?

[JJ Irani]

What are these actually going to sell for when they finally start showing up in stores here in the US?

Well, the list price on this one is US$7350 but I do believe discounts are now available since quite a few are available at the local ADs.

JJ

[moby33]

Well, the list price on this one is US$7350 but I do believe discounts are now available since quite a few are available at the local ADs.

JJ

Yep.

Actually, I'm not an AD Snob (no offense to those that enjoy the AD buying experience & paying sales tax...I'm just not one of them), so if you want to shop for one on boards like TRF you can save even more. In SoCal at least I haven't had an AD admit they will discount just yet. But I got my SubC in LNIB condition (still had all stickers intact except for on the clasp & not a mark on the watch) for $6800 from another TRF member.

Love the watch, love the price and saved over $700 compared to a local AD purchase. No doubt the prices will continue to drop considering the economic times...I expect you could pick one up on TRF for low $6Ks within the next 6-12 months. Cheers!

[moby33]

What are these actually going to sell for when they finally start showing up in stores here in the US?

I also found the SubC in two different AD's in Portland, OR on a recent trip...like CA AD's they too wouldn't discount any off list, but at least in OR I wouldn't have to pay sales tax. That trip put me over on having to have one...the minute I returned I started shopping these boards and found my SubC.

Can't say enough good things about the watch...my DSSD has been my daily wearing for over 2 years, yet now the SubC has replaced it and I'm just amazed at how comfortable the watch is. My only complaint (and this is very minor) is the fact you have to remove the watch to adjust the Glidelock...I still prefer the DSSDs Glidelock because it can be done with one hand while it's still on your wrist. :cheers:

[shox974]

Just top this new SB, i wanted to take it but waiting list here in Paris. If somebody knows an AD i would super appreciate your help.

ciao

[thesmallwave]

The new Sub C have the hour minutes and second hands made of white gold?

[SSD]

The new Sub C have the hour minutes and second hands made of white gold?

Yes, no change there! :thumbsup:

[Ari16]

What are the differences between this watch and the older 16610

[JBat]

What are the differences between this watch and the older 16610

It's similar to the 116710 (GMT-Master IIc), but with Submariner treatments; ceramic bezel, larger "maxi case," maxi dial (larger indices) and updated bracelet. And about $2000 in price. :biggrin:

[tomee]

What does Platinum graduations mean?
Are the markers and numbers on bezel platinum filled?

[Eric88]

What does Platinum graduations mean?
Are the markers and numbers on bezel platinum filled?

Yes, there is a video on the Rolex site that shows how they make the ceramic bezel. The indented grooves are blasted with precious metals.

[slinger]

I think the current retail on the Sub c is $7,375, but what is the current retail AD price on the 16610?

[ciscopro2000]

I think the current retail on the Sub c is $7,375, but what is the current retail AD price on the 16610?

I believe the 16610 is $6000 even.

[slinger]

thought so too, thx!