Real or fake?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Real or fake?

And tell WHY you think it is real or fake :cheers:

http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/Wiseled/rolly1.jpg

BTW: The bezel might look "bluish", but that is only a trick of the light.

[JJ Irani]

Looks pretty much real to me!! :chuckle:

[TARDIS]

I think it's Kosher. Why? Because I can't see anything non-authentic from the photo. Might have been better with a direct over the dial photo as well.

Is this a test for us Bo or is it you having a laugh?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Just interested in knowing what you think :cheers:

[Obsession]

dial and bezel are authentic but I cant say anything for the case and inside, probably authentic but if it is a fake the best fake in this world.

[TARDIS]

Just interested in knowing what you think :cheers:

Yeah OK BO!:banghead:

Just gimme one of those Beers!:cheers: :cheers: :rofl:

[China Man]

looks kosher to me ..........but why is something telling me that this isn't real?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Yeah OK BO!:banghead:

Just gimme one of those Beers!:cheers: :cheers: :rofl:

Foster's? :chuckle:

:cheers:

[directioneng]

Hi Bo,

In my opinion. :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

It just happens to be the same time in Adelaide. :rofl: :rofl:

Did I get the angle about right?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

OK guys. It's real.

I just thought it would be interesting to see what would come up.

I mean: The "Real or not" threads here on TRF have mostly presented a FAKE Rolex and the question "is this watch real or not" kind of gave it away on its own.

Now: Some of the fakes are SO good that you really have to look for the tiniest details to decide what is what.

This is very worrying since - at the end of the day - wearers of GENUINE Rolex watches soon will be considered wearing FAKES, since the fakes are getting better and better. Of course, the wearer does not have to mind that, but still it pisses me off.

Here you have the original watch and the fake version of it:

GENUINE:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/Wiseled/rolly1.jpg

FAKE:
http://i162.photobucket.com/albums/t245/Wiseled/rolly2.jpg

Quite a good fake! IMHO, what tells it is a fake is merely the too large rectangular hour markers at 6 and 9 and the slightly too thick "white gold" dial figures.

Again: The "bluish" shine on the bezel on the copy is a trick of the light. You also see it on the genuine SD (pic 1).

[directioneng]

Good one Bo. :thumbsup:

That fake is good and without a side by side would be hard to call.

Where did you get the pix?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Good one Bo. :thumbsup:

That fake is good and without a side by side would be hard to call.

Where did you get the pix?

XXXXXXXXXX.com

[directioneng]

Also the dial script dosn't line up exactly as the authentic Rolex.

If, however you only had these two watches to compare for authenticity the back would have to come of to be sure.

[jac67]

It just happens to be the same time in Adelaide.


Ah.........almost. You got the date wrong. :dummy:


John.

[Mr. K]

Some of the fakes these days scare me.

[JJ Irani]

Good fake, but those WG (?) marker surrounds look way too pronounced.

JJ

[marshallr47]

Good post. Anything to arm future buyers. We need to have more of these threads. Thanks.

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Good fake, but those WG (?) marker surrounds look way too pronounced.

JJ


Well....I don't think that they are "way" too pronounced, but you are right: The hours markers are probably the best tell-tale sign of this specific copy.

What surprised me very much: The crown guards on that fake! Normally - for some odd reason - copiers simply do not seem to get the crown guards right. But on the specific specimen?? Apart from just a slightly heftier look quite close to the genuine Rolex crown guards, I'd say :thumbsup: (oops, I meant: :thumbsdow ).

Also: The luminous marker in the bezel at 12: quite well made.

[idoitsavant]

I have seen very good Sub fakes in HK and even bought one myself.

The most tell tale sign is the winding. Real Sub winds with discrete clicks, not the fakes.

Also the lume on the bezel and on the indices fell off after 3 months of everyday wear. Zzzz

[directioneng]

Hi Bo,

So how does the fake SD look with the maxi dial?

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Hi Bo,

So how does the fake SD look with the maxi dial?

Well, in fact it hasn't got the maxi dial. What is "maxi" about it is that the "gold" rims of the hour markers are too thick.

[Welshwatchman]

The fakes are getting worryingly similar to the original.

The good thing for now is that the fakes fall apart after a couple of months and the originals outlast the wearer, though just a couple of dollars extra invested at the chinese factory would bring about that all important extra quality and then there's going to be trouble.

One reason I've gone the gold route is that the fake attempts at these just do not hold any credability.

[LL1979]

also the circle around the luminova looks bigger on the fake ones

[JJ Irani]

The fakes are getting worryingly similar to the original.

The good thing for now is that the fakes fall apart after a couple of months and the originals outlast the wearer, though just a couple of dollars extra invested at the chinese factory would bring about that all important extra quality and then there's going to be trouble.

One reason I've gone the gold route is that the fake attempts at these just do not hold any credability.

Well Paul....agreed about the terrific similarity of the fakes, but cannot agree about them falling apart that easily.

The really good fakes (which are being palmed off as the real McCoys), are in fact made from good steel and use genuine ETA movements. In fact, they are so damned good that people wear them for years and years.....and only find out that they are fakes when they take them into an RSC for service.

Even then, the lady at the counter will open up a job-card, accept the watch (because it looks so damn real) and let you go. It's only when the watch actually reaches the watchmaker's table a couple of days later, and the watchmaker opens up the case back that the beans are spilt all over the floor!! :banghead: :banghead:

[Atl]

I think it's Kosher. Why? Because I can't see anything non-authentic from the photo. Might have been better with a direct over the dial photo as well.

Is this a test for us Bo or is it you having a laugh?

It's not kosher, the minute hand isn't circumcised :bartmoon:

[SPACE-DWELLER]

also the circle around the luminova looks bigger on the fake ones

"Also"??? :thinking:

I have written about that issue with the circles already :banghead:

[TARDIS]

It's not kosher, the minute hand isn't circumcised :bartmoon:

There's nothing unusual about that!

[newrolexman]

IMHO I d rather wear a timex that I could afford than have anything fake on my wrist.

I dont understand why someone would buy a fake anything?

They themselves know its not real and they are only fooling themselves.

Happens with car insigna's.

I was in my new Porsche Turbo and someone in an E55 (mercedes AMG) pulled up to me on I-95 and started reving his engine,, I downshifted, and let it go and it was no contest. Come to find out the driver bought the E55 AMG designation and stuck it on where it would say E500,,, WHY? It was still a 302 hp E500 and not the 469 hp AMG.

But I did call his bluff and went head to head,,,, I realized after a few seconds something was wrong because the E55 would normally give me a good run on the highway from 70 mph to 130mph. THis car had no balls.

I didnt check his wrist BUT I imagine he would be the type to have the fake watch.

I was always happy growing up wearing and driving what I could afford knowing someday I would have some nice toys BUT why fool yourself. Work hard, save, invest wisely and when the time comes,,, treat yourself well.

Don

ps. I am off to Europe with the wife today for a month.

happy thanksgiving to all...

venice, Istanbul, dubrovnik, greece and islands, Naples, Rome, florence, barcelona, malaga, nice, UK and Home.

[Alcan]

Bo, another anomaly on the fake is the 4 in 40 on the bezel insert. Really noticeable when it's compared to the authentic watch. Counterfeiters usually can't get it right.

The real deal on the left, counterfeit on the right

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/Alcan3/realsd.jpghttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/Alcan3/fakesd.jpg

[arttay10]

We could do with a lot more posts like this - Makes very good learning :thumbsup::thumbsup:

[morgman]

Real or fake?

And tell WHY you think it is real or fake :cheers:

.....

Looks REAL to me!
slightly older model, with the slightly larger crown image and "ROLEX" logo than the current ones.

[Maz25]

Only someone who is a "bastid" would wear a fake. They are such "tossers"!

[rogerfromco]

Can you post comparative photos of the helium release valves? I heard that is another easy way to spot a fake sea dweller. The real one uses a different metal (titanium?) that is darker than the rest of the SS casing. From what I hear the fakes are still using SS so there is no difference in color.

[CoopJr]

Can you post comparative photos of the helium release valves? I heard that is another easy way to spot a fake sea dweller. The real one uses a different metal (titanium?) that is darker than the rest of the SS casing. From what I hear the fakes are still using SS so there is no difference in color.

The fake SD's I have seen are now using a darker metal for the HEV. I doubt that they go to the expense of using titanium. Up until now, the fake SD's I have seen all failed miserably at recreating the engraving on the back. Some pitiful examples even misspelled "Helium Escape Valve" to read "Heliom EsOape VOlve" or similar gaffs. I guess the Chinese CNC operator didnt know english to well:banghead:

However, they are now even getting the engraving right.

[mailman]

The fake SD's I have seen are now using a darker metal for the HEV. I doubt that they go to the expense of using titanium. Up until now, the fake SD's I have seen all failed miserably at recreating the engraving on the back. Some pitiful examples even misspelled "Helium Escape Valve" to read "Heliom EsOape VOlve" or similar gaffs. I guess the Chinese CNC operator didnt know english to well:banghead:

However, they are now even getting the engraving right.

Is that a Screamin' Eagle hat you're wearing in your avatar?

[Prince]

Is that a Screamin' Eagle hat you're wearing in your avatar?

Looks like it to me! Love "Screamin' Eagle" stuff!!! :thumbsup:

Of course, you DO know what HD stands for, don't you Paul?

Hunn'ed Dollah - everything in the shop STARTS at $100... :banghead: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:

[mailman]

Looks like it to me! Love "Screamin' Eagle" stuff!!! :thumbsup:

Of course, you DO know what HD stands for, don't you Paul?

Hunn'ed Dollah - everything in the shop STARTS at $100... :banghead: :rofl: :rofl: :thumbsup:

I know all about that too well :dummy: :dummy: :dummy:

Do you have any SE parts on your violet Springer? :chuckle: :chuckle:

[Letsgodiving]

Bo, another anomaly on the fake is the 4 in 40 on the bezel insert. Really noticeable when it's compared to the authentic watch. Counterfeiters usually can't get it right.

The real deal on the left, counterfeit on the right

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/Alcan3/realsd.jpghttp://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c244/Alcan3/fakesd.jpg


Are you talking about edges being less sharp than the real one?

[Alcan]

Are you talking about edges being less sharp than the real one?

That too, but more so the spacing of the verticals at the top .

[Letsgodiving]

That too, but more so the spacing of the verticals at the top .

I'm just trying to make sure I understand. Are you talking about the 4 angles on the interior of the 4 b/c there seems to be some variation of the real ones. Some have 4 and some have 3. Mine actually looks more like the fake one in this regard and has 3 angles on the interior of the 4.

And yes mine is real in case anyone was wondering. :chuckle:

[CoopJr]

Yes as a matter of fact it is. At the time of this pic we were on my '03 Ultra Classic.
http://www.statetrooperplates.com/on-the-bike.jpg

[mailman]

Yes as a matter of fact it is. At the time of this pic we were on my '03 Ultra Classic.
http://www.statetrooperplates.com/on-the-bike.jpg

Great pic and bike man :thumbsup:

Here's mine. 2000 FXDX
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/paulcallari/100_0395.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/paulcallari/100_0400.jpg

Here's mine and my dad's. His is a 2003 Classic.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/paulcallari/100_0810.jpg

[rogerfromco]

Not to hijack the post, but I love my Screamin' Eagle Deuce! and the wife's V-Rod isn't too shabby either! :offtopic:

[ezmoney46]

Not to hijack the post, but I love my Screamin' Eagle Deuce! and the wife's V-Rod isn't too shabby either! :offtopic:

Nice!

Here's mine /03 FLHRSEI2

[ezmoney46]

Great pic and bike man :thumbsup:

Here's mine. 2000 FXDX
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/paulcallari/100_0395.jpg

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/paulcallari/100_0400.jpg

Here's mine and my dad's. His is a 2003 Classic.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y196/paulcallari/100_0810.jpg

Dayum!!!

Paulie, That scooter is awesome:thumbsup:

[mailman]

Dayum!!!

Paulie, That scooter is awesome:thumbsup:

Thanks Steve :cheers:

[Lol-x]

Wow guys some really great bikes and special ladies thanks for sharing :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

[CoopJr]

Now the big question is would you ride with your watch on? I would'nt. Better safe than sorry :smokin:

[rogerfromco]

I ride with my Citzen Titanium Eco-drive on. Lighter, so I don't feel the vibration on the wrist and I'd hate to see the SD look like the road rash JJ has been posting lately!

[CoopJr]

I'd hate to see the SD look like the road rash JJ has been posting lately!

God all mighty you aint kidding! I believe in wearing your watch but sometimes you just have to be prudent about it:thumbsup:

Nice SE! I have had 4 Harley's in my life. A '93 Cow Glide, the Ultra and 2 RK's. The Ultra is the best, hands down. Ride, stability, comfort and amenities, it tops them all. I was afraid it was an old man's bike but I don't feel old at all riding it.

[mailman]

Now the big question is would you ride with your watch on? I would'nt. Better safe than sorry :smokin:

I ride with my Citzen Titanium Eco-drive on. Lighter, so I don't feel the vibration on the wrist and I'd hate to see the SD look like the road rash JJ has been posting lately!

You guys are crazy man :chuckle: Wear it when you ride. It ain't gonna hurt it :nono: :chuckle:

[mailman]

God all mighty you aint kidding! I believe in wearing your watch but sometimes you just have to be prudent about it:thumbsup:

Nice SE! I have had 4 Harley's in my life. A '93 Cow Glide, the Ultra and 2 RK's. The Ultra is the best, hands down. Ride, stability, comfort and amenities, it tops them all. I was afraid it was an old man's bike but I don't feel old at all riding it.

Nothing wrong with riding a dresser, Allan :thumbsup: They're smooth as anything and very comfy for the wife. :thumbsup:

I love my Dyna and everytime I thing about getting a Street Glide, I take mine for a ride and that quickly changes my mind. The riding season isn't long enough for two bikes here. Plus with the Dyna being a rubber mount, it's comfortableenough for 250-300 mile jaunts a day and fun enough to go out and drag the pegs and wheelie while the boys go out and play too :thumbsup:

This is my second HD. My first one was a 1969 XLH. My father had a '93 cow glide too. One of the best looking bikes they made in the last 20 yrs, IMO.

[mailman]

Not to hijack the post, but I love my Screamin' Eagle Deuce! and the wife's V-Rod isn't too shabby either! :offtopic:

Nice bikes Roger :thumbsup: A buddy of mine had a Deuce like yours. We used to break his balls and call it the Grey Poupon bike :chuckle:

Are you anywhere near Aspen Valley HD?

[rogerfromco]

Nice bikes Roger :thumbsup: A buddy of mine had a Deuce like yours. We used to break his balls and call it the Grey Poupon bike :chuckle:

Are you anywhere near Aspen Valley HD?

Hey Mailman - I assume the Grey Poupon bike comment is in reference to the price tag for the FXSTDSE. I have to agree that the MSRP was nuts. Lucky for me I bought it off a guy who bought it new in Sturgis, put 900 miles on it and then had to sell it to raise money to open another restaraunt. I saved $10k buying it used - maybe my best bargin ever.

As for Aspen Valley HD, no we're in the Denver metro area.

BTW - Nice Dyna; love the blacked out bike!

[mailman]

Hey Mailman - I assume the Grey Poupon bike comment is in reference to the price tag for the FXSTDSE. I have to agree that the MSRP was nuts. Lucky for me I bought it off a guy who bought it new in Sturgis, put 900 miles on it and then had to sell it to raise money to open another restaraunt. I saved $10k buying it used - maybe my best bargin ever.

As for Aspen Valley HD, no we're in the Denver metro area.

BTW - Nice Dyna; love the blacked out bike!

The Grey Poupon was in reference to the color :chuckle: You got a hell of a deal on it and it's a great looking bike. Just what you'd have to spend in accessories alone to get what's on there would have cost you more than that.

Thanks for the kudos on my bike. :thumbsup: I powdercoated all of the engine and tranny covers gloss black and topped them off with polished SS 12 pt hardware.

[ezmoney46]

I ride w/ my SUB all the time. it keepks it wound up.:chuckle::chuckle::smokin:

[mailman]

I ride w/ my SUB all the time. it keepks it wound up.:chuckle::chuckle::smokin:

Me too Steve :clap: :thumbsup:

[ezmoney46]

The Grey Poupon was in reference to the color :chuckle: You got a hell of a deal on it and it's a great looking bike. Just what you'd have to spend in accessories alone to get what's on there would have cost you more than that.

Thanks for the kudos on my bike. :thumbsup: I powdercoated all of the engine and tranny covers gloss black and topped them off with polished SS 12 pt hardware.

looks awesome:thumbsup::smokin:

[dwaine99]

My 04 Fatboy

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/dwaine/harley/P8270125.jpg

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Bloody thread highjacker! :dummy: :bartmoon: :banghead: :rofl:

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Me too Steve :clap: :thumbsup:

Via the battery charger?? :bartmoon: :rofl: :justkiddi

[mailman]

Bloody thread highjacker! :dummy: :bartmoon: :banghead: :rofl:

Ya know if you were here in the early days, that's what we were known for :thumbsup:

Via the battery charger?? :bartmoon: :rofl: :justkiddi

:thinking: :thinking:

[mailman]

looks awesome:thumbsup::smokin:
Thanks man. Nice Road King you have there :thumbsup:
My 04 Fatboy

http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y212/dwaine/harley/P8270125.jpg

Hey Fat Boy, you want egg roll :rofl: :rofl: Great looking Fat Boy :thumbsup:

[Lol-x]

You guys over there in the States :thinking: seems like you guys like nancying round on your bikes :chuckle: :rofl: :chuckle: (thanks Jack Nicholson...great line).
I did 80 miles today on my bike in the total rain from start to finish.
After 40 miles I had to take my gloves off as they were full of rainwater that had run down the outside of my Dainese jacket and into my gloves :banghead:.
Bare nuckles, without gloves, I road the last 40 miles back home mostly on the freeway, and with my GMTIIC on my wrist doing the J.O.B. :thumbsup:
My bike and my watches are for getting used boyz :chuckle:
But hey I hate riding in the rain :banghead:

[mailman]

You guys over there in the States :thinking: seems like you guys like nancying round on your bikes :chuckle: :rofl: :chuckle: (thanks Jack Nicholson...great line).
I did 80 miles today on my bike in the total rain from start to finish.
After 40 miles I had to take my gloves off as they were full of rainwater that had run down the outside of my Dainese jacket and into my gloves :banghead:.
Bare nuckles, without gloves, I road the last 40 miles back home mostly on the freeway, and with my GMTIIC on my wrist doing the J.O.B. :thumbsup:
My bike and my watches are for getting used boyz :chuckle:
But hey I hate riding in the rain :banghead:

So big deal, you rode in the rain without gloves and got soaked. You act like that's never happened before. :chuckle: Stop crying about it :crying: Next time you don't want to get wet, don't leave in the rain. It ain't rocket science :rofl:






BTW, I don't like getting caught in the rain either :rofl: :cheers:

[Lol-x]

I didn't have a choice at the time, no battery in the car, and I had to keep an appointment. Anyway, it worked out pretty well.
My bike is a work bike, I get it serviced but as for cosmetic condition....well after the first accident I had on this bike I thought what's the point. I carry 45lb boxes on the tank down to the post office most days of the week, so scratches don't bother me anymore.
I'm happy just so long as mechanically it is in good order.
I still have to get $8K from the taxi that hit me in August....I better get onto that because I need the cash to get a milgauss :justkiddi

[mailman]

I didn't have a choice at the time, no battery in the car, and I had to keep an appointment. Anyway, it worked out pretty well.
My bike is a work bike, I get it serviced but as for cosmetic condition....well after the first accident I had on this bike I thought what's the point. I carry 45lb boxes on the tank down to the post office most days of the week, so scratches don't bother me anymore.
I'm happy just so long as mechanically it is in good order.
I still have to get $8K from the taxi that hit me in August....I better get onto that because I need the cash to get a milgauss :justkiddi

Geez, you think with all odf the watches you have you'd be able to afford a battery for the car :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :justkiddi:cheers:

[slojoh]

http://i12.tinypic.com/71ziydv.jpg

[jinluke]

http://space.taobao.com/25d37e914b4e68c5654d7efd80fa4419.htm

another fake example: still can't tell even you cut the gold.