Temporarily traded by Chrono Avenger

[roadcarver]

I've temporarily traded my Chrono Avenger for an Omega speedmaster Schumacher Legend on SS bracelet to a collector in Edmonton.

Temporarily, meaning both sides have agreed that after two months and if one side decides to want their original babies back, we can do so.

I'm waiting for the Speedmaster to arrive and see how it looks and feels. I'm particularly interested in the FP 3301 movement on it with the 9,6 and 3 subdial arrangement with the date at six o'clock. There were reported issues about chrono functionality due to the column wheel, but it has since fixed by Omega.

Will post pictures when it comes and we'll see if after two months whether I long for my CA again.

[JJ Irani]

And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!! :dummy: :lol: :lol:

Look forward to the pics, Venon!! :thumbsup:

[astcell]

And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!! :dummy: :lol: :lol:

Look forward to the pics, Venon!! :thumbsup:


Well JJ, you buy the watch thinking not about trading it, but after you trade it what can you trade the NEXT watch for! You got us all beat!

[roadcarver]

:rofl: We'll see after two months!

And you fellas have the audacity to call me a flipper!! :dummy: :lol: :lol:

Look forward to the pics, Venon!! :thumbsup:

[JJ Irani]

Well JJ, you buy the watch thinking not about trading it, but after you trade it what can you trade the NEXT watch for! You got us all beat!

:chuckle: :chuckle: :chuckle:

[roadcarver]

Scammed! Do not deal with Steve Francouer of Edmonton, AB Canada. Also went by the name of Steve Scaif, S.F Francouer, Steve Francois Francouer.

119 Wellington Cr.
Spruce Grove, AB
Canada T7X 1K7
780-946-6956

If you are on Timezone, do not make your email addy public, hide it... this can be done via the PROFILE settings. He scours these forums, looks at your profile and emails you directly. He is not registered at these forums.

uses the following email addresses:
stonepony68@shaw.ca (xXx)
weezer@telus.net (msn)
seth69@shaw.ca (J&S)
seth-000@hotmail.com (his paypal addy)

Be careful of his reference, Charles McDowel (chucky-68@hotmail.com). I believe he is generating his own references.

[President]

The address is suburban. Surely this would not be his real address?

[mickiratt]

Scammed! Do not deal with Steve Francouer of Edmonton, AB Canada. Also went by the name of Steve Scaif, S.F Francouer, Steve Francois Francouer.

119 Wellington Cr.
Spruce Grove, AB
Canada T7X 1K7
780-946-6956

If you are on Timezone, do not make your email addy public, hide it... this can be done via the PROFILE settings. He scours these forums, looks at your profile and emails you directly. He is not registered at these forums.

uses the following email addresses:
stonepony68@shaw.ca (xXx)
weezer@telus.net (msn)
seth69@shaw.ca (J&S)
seth-000@hotmail.com (his paypal addy)

Be careful of his reference, Charles McDowel (chucky-68@hotmail.com). I believe he is generating his own references.

It always makes me sick to hear when this kind of thing happens! :angry: :angry: :cussing: :cussing: Maybe you can share some more details of the transaction so we can possibly help and/or learn from your experience. I am very sorry to hear this. I know how we all feel about our watches!

[Solo118]

Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

[roadcarver]

Yep, insured it for $3k. I have to also make a call to the Ombudsman for Canada Post to get this sorted out since I did ask them not to deliver the package.

Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

[mickiratt]

Did you insure the package?? This is horrible

Good question. In the United States, mail fraud is taken very seriously and if it is a crime involving the Post Office, it is a federal offense and they will take over the investigation without you having to do anything else.

Also, if there were any funds transfered via paypal you may want to report it to their Resolution Center. They have the ability to freeze his account while he has to prove that he shipped the item.

[Rubenonfire]

We're crossing our fingers (but not holding our collective breath) for justice, Vernon. :banghead: Lesson learned, and enjoy your "temporary" Speedy! :thumbsup:

[ianmedium]

Wow! I am so sorry to hear about this Vernon. I hope, A. he gets caught! B. you are not out of pocket one dime from this.
Good luck with it all!

[roadcarver]

Provided the watch info to Breitling Canada and have asked Breitling Canada to notify BUSA as well that the watch was stolen.

Still no word from RCMP... don't think they care.

[colemanitis]

Keep us updated, Vernon. You have his address, surely the local police can pay him a visit?

[ianmedium]

Provided the watch info to Breitling Canada and have asked Breitling Canada to notify BUSA as well that the watch was stolen.

Still no word from RCMP... don't think they care.

Have worked with the mounties on missing persons cases, they do tend totake their time!!!
Sounds like you are doing all you can though. keep us informed!

[T Bone]

As a huge fan of the Chrono Avenger, this post caught my eye. I was saddened when I read down the thread :concerned . It is awful that these low life scum are out there preying on decent folk.

My Chrono Avenger was my first real "quality" watch, and with a box full of Swiss beauties, it is still my favorite. I really feel for you, and hope you can somehow recover it, and even more, get some justice for the thievin' ba$turd (sic). Really no different than if he broke into your house and stole it. :thumbsdow

[Welshwatchman]

Keep us updated, Vernon. You have his address, surely the local police can pay him a visit?

I also hope that you can get the active interest and co-operation if the postal service and local police.

Heres hoping.

[roadcarver]

I filed this with Crimestoppers but they wouldn't help since I am the person providing the tip and the victim, hence it will violate their protocols.

They referred me to recol.ca which I already did last week.

Another person that was scammed by him in Los Angeles got a hold of a detective in Edmonton Police Dept. All of us started to call, but we only got his voice mail, we left a message. I have not received a call from him yet.

[roadcarver]

Update: After several emails back and forth with Paypal, they finally acknowledged my complaint and are having their investigators look into it.

I initially couldn't do it via my account since the bastard cancelled the e-check. After explaining to them why I couldn't do it several times, someone smart in their support finally got what I was conveying.

Now I have to wait patiently one more time.

Thanks to all for your support especially to Mikiratt and IanMedium.

Still crossing my fingers...

[mickiratt]

Update: After several emails back and forth with Paypal, they finally acknowledged my complaint and are having their investigators look into it.

I initially couldn't do it via my account since the bastard cancelled the e-check. After explaining to them why I couldn't do it several times, someone smart in their support finally got what I was conveying.

Now I have to wait patiently one more time.

Thanks to all for your support especially to Mikiratt and IanMedium.

Still crossing my fingers...


That's great news Vernon. Your persistence will pay off. I had to go with a couple of Paypal service representatives as well before I got to one that was "in-tune" with my problem.

It's my pleasure to help in any way! It just infuriates me when I see this type of thing happen.

[colemanitis]

It should take PayPal about 2 seconds to look at this guys payment history and confirm what you're saying. His account probably has record of hundreds of cancelled e-checks. IMHO they should've caught this before now and cancelled his account.

[roadcarver]

Got off the phone on Friday talking to Paypal... apparently it looks like they will not help me since cancelled e-checks are not in their dispute category.

In email, they've been giving me their cut and paste answers and not reading why I couldn't file a dispute online. I repeated so many times to explain to them. (I complained about that too on the phone).

In the end,I told them that fine if I don't get my $1900 back but at least stop this guy from using paypal as a defrauding tool!!!

Don't think they'll do anything... sigh.

End of the road for me on this one. Very expensive lesson.

[C.J.]

Got off the phone on Friday talking to Paypal... apparently it looks like they will not help me since cancelled e-checks are not in their dispute category.

In email, they've been giving me their cut and paste answers and not reading why I couldn't file a dispute online. I repeated so many times to explain to them. (I complained about that too on the phone).

In the end,I told them that fine if I don't get my $1900 back but at least stop this guy from using paypal as a defrauding tool!!!

Don't think they'll do anything... sigh.

End of the road for me on this one. Very expensive lesson.


Vernon, that absolutely sucks. It's a shame you can't dig up his address :agree:

[roadcarver]

I have his mailing address, and there's a victim in Edmonton that was scammed for $800. He was a victim while this SOB was in Windsor, ON.

He will drop by soon since I help confirm his address. Just sucks that the authorities are not doing anything here in Toronto. To them its small crime in the overall scheme of things.
:crying:

Vernon, that absolutely sucks. It's a shame you can't dig up his address :agree:

[mickiratt]

Sorry to hear the update, Vernon. Just when I thought you were making some headway with this SOB. It sucks when the authorities don't want to do anything to help, especially when you have his mailing address. I say we keep a look-out for him on the forums and try to beat him at his own game! Where is the justice? There has got to be a way we could f#$%...:mouthtape him!

[roadcarver]

I'm tracking him at redflagdeals currently. He says to me that he won't be around (camping) but he is visiting this site (5 days ago was his last login). I'm corresponding with him on another alias to scambait him. Still verifying that this is the Francouer guy.

What's matching:
alias/handle: Stonepony68 (same email name he uses)
Location: Edmonton - Francouer is also in Edmonton

His login at redflagdeals is stonepony68 - either he is cocky or stupid as he is using the alias / email name that he has contacted and scammed people with. Don't think he is stupid or else he'd be caught and stopped by now.

[colemanitis]

Don't think they'll do anything... sigh.

Shame on PayPal. :banghead:

[SLRdude]

I am so sorry to hear about this Vernon.
Hopefully you will get your baby back soon.

[Chad M]

Thats funny Vernon I'm doing the same thing, Somehow, someway we will bag this dirtbag up!

[roadcarver]

Hey Chad M,

The detective from Edmonton just gave me a call back and he said it is out of his jurisdiction esp Internet fraud. Damn, this is why internet fraud is proliferating since only certain agencies track them.

I've already filed as you know with recol.ca but no help to date.

Up to the RCMP to catch the ^&*$!!!

[timebroker]

Any update yet?

[roadcarver]

No update at all from the authorities. The scumbag is not even replying to my emails... in fact he's gone underground... perhaps even set up camp somewhere else!

Any update yet?

[timebroker]

There should be 'internet fraud' cells at the police too that look into these scams.
You can also look up IP adresses used for sending the emails so in fact you can back track (with help of ISP's) to find out from where he has been sending them, maybe you can find his house this way.

[roadcarver]

Did that too, but the internet provider did not respond.

There should be 'internet fraud' cells at the police too that look into these scams.
You can also look up IP adresses used for sending the emails so in fact you can back track (with help of ISP's) to find out from where he has been sending them, maybe you can find his house this way.

[timebroker]

Did that too, but the internet provider did not respond.

Most ISP's will only reveal info like that with a court order so you should contact the internet fraud cells, they can do that for you.

[Aiya008]

This is horrible. Personally I do not buy items that cost more then $300. I know if anything happens and the seller screws me I go directly to my CC and have them deal with it. I have done some research and PALPAY will drag you along and exceed the 30 days for reverse charges that ur CC requires. Don't bother with paypal. I am also reluctant on selling because I have heard buyers reversing charges to paypal. If I sell an item it would not be anything that cost more then $150.

Good luck hope u get the SOB.

[Rodentman]

I cancelled my PP account. Fees are too high and my bank told me PP is very fraud prone, whether an intentional scam or account hacking. If I want to buy badly enough and the seller wants to sell, we will find a way to make a deal w/o PP.

[SSD]

Roadcarver,
The times I have dealt with the RCMP they weren't too quick, but they were conscientious and thorough. I recommend staying with them, and if necessary asking to speak with a supervisor. If they're like the FBI or U.S. Postal Inspectors, this sort of thing is indeed their jurisdiction and specialty. I'm sorry all this happened, and rather upset with PayPal for not handling the problem. If the area forum members are willing, maybe we should publish this guy's photos, and the rest of his life, on the web, you know, to help him out... BTW- there should be an initial police report for whatever passes (in Canada) for theft by deception. Try to get your watch entered on the Canadian version of NCIC just in case the watch gets "ran" using its serial number. Good luck!