Submariner 14060M

[Ed Rooney]

My 14060M Sub Review

It has been about over 2 months since I purchased my Rolex Submariner 14060M, otherwise known to the unwashed masses as the “Sub ND”. I feel that I have knocked it against enough doorknobs to write an intelligent watch review.

The Sub serves potentially two purposes in my collection. It will either be the fanciest, most expensive watch I own, or it will be the “beater” in a more extensive collection of tool watches. I am not a WIS, I don’t appreciate decorated movements, complications or rarity. Much like my home, vehicle and most of my clothing, I prefer a watch for its utilitarian value.

The Sub suits my watch use habits very well. I grew up around the water near Annapolis, MD. More often than not I could be found sailing, swimming, waterskiing or flying with my Dad. Sailing for me was a particularly wet sport, as I owned a small catamaran and was dumped in the Severn River quite often. Many times righting the boat involved taking a deep breath, following the mast down 20+ feet to the bottom and freeing it from the mud. The Sub is a great watch for my lifestyle. I don’t like to have to take it off to jump in the ocean or a pool. That’s how Buzz Aldrin lost his Speedy. The safest place for my watch is on my wrist, therefore the watch needs to be tough enough to go nearly anywhere. While any Rolex Oyster could easily handle this lifestyle, the Sub is the best combo of durability and looks (for me).

One great “Tool Watch” qualification of the 14060M is that it, along with its cousin the Sea-Dweller, is made only in Stainless Steel. Oddly, Rolex manages to polish just the right surfaces to catch the light in a way that one normally sees on chrome. The glint from the top of the coin-edge bezel, case sides and crown grooves make what was a lump of stainless steel shine like a diamond. This makes it one of the few watches with the ability to dress up or down as far as one needs.

Much has been written about the Rolex Oyster bracelet. Rolex has improved it on many of the newer models, but the 14060M retains the old non-SEL standard bracelet. It feels like something from a bad knock-off, but history talks. This bracelet has “been there, done that and bought the T-shirt”. Still, it compares well to most of the other SS bracelets I’ve seen. The ability to take a piece of Scotch-Brite to the brushed surfaces is priceless. Recently I noticed some desk-diver rub marks on the 12 o’clock side of the bracelet. I hit it with some lemon Palmolive and a Scotch-Brite pad and it’s as good as new. Try that with a polished center-link.

The 14060M is often overlooked because of the lack of a date feature. My wife remarked the other day that she uses the date function on her Datejust more than the time. Unfortunately, I’m the guy who has to adjust the date every other month or after two days in the jewelry box. While I wouldn’t mind upgrading to a Sea-Dweller, not having to babysit the date is a plus for me.

For me, the 14060M is the modern version of the classic Submariner. The history behind this watch is amazing. I’m glad to own it and “buyer’s remorse” has never been a factor. Anyone who aspires to own several Rolex models should consider the 14060M as the foundation of their collection.

Ed Rooney
12/29/2007

[Alcan]

Good write up. :thumbsup:

[Welshwatchman]

I agree with all of the sentiments.:thumbsup:

[Teofilo]

Great review Ed.....The Sub ND was my first expensive watch too and it really is a "go anywhere" sort of watch. I know some people dont like the term tool watch, but stuff it....the 14060M is as tool as Rolex gets !

[kcmo]

Nice review Ed! You've got a great classic there! Enjoy it!

[bbqbrew]

I will have one of these some day. Its a classic.
Chris

[Robb]

Great review and beautiful pic!!

[ROGERB]

Well written...a classic is always a classic!
R

[JJ Irani]

Good stuff, Ed.....what a fine looking watch - simple and yet so beautiful!! :thumbsup:

[SPACE-DWELLER]

Very nice review, Ed!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts on this classic Rolex!

[frostie]

Nice review :thumbsup: :cheers:

[boa2]

Terrific review!:thumbsup:

[Lubrifar]

Thanks for sharing a great review! I love to own a 14060M for the same reason; a true no non-sense no BS tough-as-nail tool watch! Happy New Year to you and your 14060M! :cheers:

[AJC]

Much the same thoughts that I had and the big plus was that I found it very comfortable,more so than other Rolex sports models I have owned.

Aaron:cheers:

[rpryan55]

The more I see this damn watch the more I want one. I hate myself.

[666 Bandit]

Ed, that was a great review & I couldn't agree with you more. I got my 14060m in Dec for my 40th birthday & I couldn't be happier. It is accurate to +1 sec / day. It's very light, I have worn it every day since I got it. And it is also very stealthy. Great watch!

[sea-dweller]

Great review. The 14060 was the first Rolex I purchased, in 1994.

[Perdu]

Nice review, that was my first Rolex (with a domed acrylic crystal.) Wish I still had it.

[spaggio]

Hi all guys, first of all sorry for my poor english.
It's a lot of time I follow your forum and finally, last week, I bought my first rolex, a stunning 14060M "cosc".

If you appreciate and/or suggest me to make a new topic here, please tell me!

PS: just to translate the few notes in italian, that's my mini-review:
- it's my first rolex, and the first expensive watch. I'm still quite worried about scratching it and/or making damage, but I feel like really having a "jewel" at my wrist
- the quality I can feel is stunning: 4 days I'm looking closely to it and still I can't find any defect or imperfection
- I love it

I hope you appreciate this.
Greetings to all
ciao
Andrea

[portable75]

I have two on my mind for the next rolli.....exp II or the 14060m ND.

[spaggio]

Hope you like some pics :)

Hi all guys, first of all sorry for my poor english.
It's a lot of time I follow your forum and finally, last week, I bought my first rolex, a stunning 14060M "cosc".

If you appreciate and/or suggest me to make a new topic here, please tell me!

PS: just to translate the few notes in italian, that's my mini-review:
- it's my first rolex, and the first expensive watch. I'm still quite worried about scratching it and/or making damage, but I feel like really having a "jewel" at my wrist
- the quality I can feel is stunning: 4 days I'm looking closely to it and still I can't find any defect or imperfection
- I love it

I hope you appreciate this.
Greetings to all
ciao
Andrea

[ChronoDate]

Nice review. I personally need the date function.

[Teofilo]

Very nice pictures Spaggio.....

[Bama]

Ed, I really enjoyed that review. Nicely done:cheers:

[buz-lh]

Ed, very nice review and a classic Rolex. It is definitely on my list of must haves.

[Texsubmariner]

Nice pics of the COSC version. It may turn out to be rare, but time will tell.

[joieboie]

nice review and an excellent watch...I have the same 14060m and I really like it, not a big date fan

[kobieta]

Just saw one with the inner markings:

http://hotimg14.fotki.com/a/218_102/117_114/SANY9839.jpg (http://hotimg14.fotki.com/p/a/218_102/117_114/SANY9839.jpg)

[tandrup]

Very good review - I agree wholeheartedly with your choice.

[Joey_V]

Great review... to the point! I like the Sub ND, but in the end, the date feature was too much to pass up and I really began to warm up to the cyclops.

[feudallordcult]

great review. to be honest, the sub ND is actually on my list after the polar expII.

[Ed Rooney]

Hope you like some pics :)

Those are wonderful photos of a great watch. I might have a COSC 14060M in my future.

[mike]

Great review and photos guys.:cheers: Couldn't agree more.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/mike381/6.jpg

The blood line lives.:thumbsup:

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/mike381/17.jpg

[T_T]

:thumbsup:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Mr.RadioActive]

Enjoyed your pics, and write up. I just bought a later year model of this, and cant wait for it to arrive. Its going to be my "rolex" beater! its a watch Ive wanted for a long time.
Enjoy!

[stevemulholland3]

great write up!!

[rarebear]

Thanks for the review ! I have the 14060M since 2001 and still love it , sometimes I wear my Omgea Speedmaster professional but after a day I miss the Sub and feel happy to put it on again !

The 3130 movement is one of the best Rolex ever made !

[timackerman]

I love reading this review. Every 30 seconds or so I look at my wrist and see the same thing :thumbsup:

[wust588]

Great review, and an all time great watch. I'm lusting after one already. Maybe if I could realise enough cash through my 1665 SD, I could have one to replace it. And be left with money to pay the day to day bills.
I'll have to think about it when it's back from it's service.
John.

[darwin1992]

Totally agree about your reason for having the sub. I own an Explorer II black face. I love this watch and it's a great 'everyday' watch for work and stuff. I travel a lot and am looking to move somewhere where I can swim, surf, sail a lot so I decided today to purchase a Sub non date. To me it's just the right kind of watch to have with me for all occasions. Simple. elegant but rugged enough to do anything with. It's not just a watch. It's a part of the person wearing it!:cheers:

[Hassie]

Yes, it is a great piece and a great review!

[gmtobsessed]

Very nice review! I am totall agree with you Ed. I'm not a big fan of cyclops in watches.

Can anyone please let me know the difference between 14060 and 14060M?
And since when the "M" start produced? or starting with which serial number?

Many thanks guys:clap:

[boa2]

Very nice review! I am totall agree with you Ed. I'm not a big fan of cyclops in watches.

Can anyone please let me know the difference between 14060 and 14060M?
And since when the "M" start produced? or starting with which serial number?

Many thanks guys:clap:
FROM ROLEXFORUMS.NL:

Reference 14060 was introduced in 1989, concurrently with the new Submariner Date 16610, with the new caliber 3000. This watch was produced for 10 years, from 1989 through 1999. It introduced the white gold surrounds to the hour markers, sapphire crystal, and new fast-beat 28,800 BPH movement. The difference between the caliber 3000 as used in the non-date reference 14060 versus the caliber 3135 used in the 16610 Submariner Date is, obviously the lack of date complication and the absence of C.O.S.C. certification.

Finally, the reference 14060M, marks the last meaningful upgrade to the Submariner line. The 14060M was introduced to replace the 14060. The meaningful difference being an improved caliber 3130, which features a balance bridge for increased shock protection and improved operating rate (i.e.: better timekeeping) and improved winding system.

[gmtobsessed]

Thank you for the info boa2!:thumbsup:

I also notice in the same 14060M that there are 2 different writing on the dial, I spotted Y series with only "submariner 1000ft=300m" plus newer M series with additional "superlative chrono.......". Is it how you differentiate non COSC and COSC??:thinking:

Thank you again:clap:

[boa2]

Thank you for the info boa2!:thumbsup:

I also notice in the same 14060M that there are 2 different writing on the dial, I spotted Y series with only "submariner 1000ft=300m" plus newer M series with additional "superlative chrono.......". Is it how you differentiate non COSC and COSC??:thinking:

Thank you again:clap:

Precisely. About a year ago, the 14060M became the COSC version. It has the additional writing on the dial, and the ROLEXROLEXROLEX on the rehaut. Those are the only two changes. Mine, for example, was produced just before those two changes appeared.

[gmtobsessed]

Well answered! Thank You boa2!

[boa2]

Well answered! Thank You boa2!

You're quite welcome.

[sambone274]

Great write up. Now I think I need one! Damn you.

[GMTII Owner]

I'm seriously considering the Sub ND as my next Rolex purchase whenever that may be. I like the simplicity and the overall look is awesome. Thanks for sharing your thoughts as it reinforces my feelings on the watch.

John

[hooked]

Why does the 1000ft=300m look different on some of the new subs? Sone of them have more distance between the = sign and the 300 M. If you look at the pis in this thread. The first pics shoe a big difference. My COSC no date sub looks even and doesn't have that great of distance.

[DSJ]

Precisely. About a year ago, the 14060M became the COSC version. It has the additional writing on the dial, and the ROLEXROLEXROLEX on the rehaut. Those are the only two changes. Mine, for example, was produced just before those two changes appeared.

Still love your watch, Boa, and to think I came pretty close to buying it!
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=29726

I'm very content with my Explorer II, though!

[Trurolexer]

Very nice review, Pal!!!:thumbsup:

[rarebear]

Ed ! great story.. I bought my 14060M in 2001 after selling my 6541 Milgauss for a small fortune ! I always wanted the Sub and I feel naked when I wear my other high end watches... after a day I haste to get the sub on my wrist again ... it´s a friend !!!!

[elijahenoch]

I have the same watch. At first i had buyers remorse ,but now i have no regrets at all.
I think this watch is sharp.

[leungbing]

Thanks for sharing!!

[boyet]

I'm new here, reading all this makes me happy that i got one . . . W serial, bought it pre owned. Really love this watch . . .:thumbsup:

[KLM]

It is my only Rolex and my Favorite Rolex! Great review, Thank You!

[ROGERB]

FROM ROLEXFORUMS.NL:

Reference 14060 was introduced in 1989, concurrently with the new Submariner Date 16610, with the new caliber 3000. This watch was produced for 10 years, from 1989 through 1999. It introduced the white gold surrounds to the hour markers, sapphire crystal, and new fast-beat 28,800 BPH movement. The difference between the caliber 3000 as used in the non-date reference 14060 versus the caliber 3135 used in the 16610 Submariner Date is, obviously the lack of date complication and the absence of C.O.S.C. certification.

Finally, the reference 14060M, marks the last meaningful upgrade to the Submariner line. The 14060M was introduced to replace the 14060. The meaningful difference being an improved caliber 3130, which features a balance bridge for increased shock protection and improved operating rate (i.e.: better timekeeping) and improved winding system.
I found this interesting as I have a 89 16610 and my booklet shows the non date as a 5513/0 with a 200m(660 feet) depth rating??
R

[Baha Turker]

Great review Ed.....The Sub ND was my first expensive watch too and it really is a "go anywhere" sort of watch. I know some people dont like the term tool watch, but stuff it....the 14060M is as tool as Rolex gets !

Dear Freind,
Hold on to your Sub no date and Gmt master II,16710 is already discontined
Sub no date is soon going to be
Best Regards
Baha Turker

[SadikP]

Great review & great pics guys.

That's it, I'm getting myself a Sub ND, been putting it off too long

[smonm]

http://i514.photobucket.com/albums/t344/smonm/photo-1.jpg

[5512]

OK i,m the new nong ,whats Sub ND

[Octopus]

ND = No Date.

[5512]

:nut:Thanks mate:dummy:

[motohead]

I just bought one and boy is it a beaut!!! It's my first rol and it definitely won't be my last. I'll post pics soon :)

[Archer]

I bought one yesterday, likewise my first Rolex , what a thrill to own such a beautifully crafted piece of engineering in a functional & understated style.

Happy? :joy: you bet!

Hello everyone BTW!!

Archer

[simoesm]

Hi, I could not agree more with you...:cheers:

[tradernick]

It seems fitting that my first post is in this thread, given that I have registered here as a part of my efforts to acquire my first Rolex, and I can assure you that it will be a 14060M identical to the one on the OP's wrist. There may be other guys on here who would need different watches for different occasions, but I could wear that watch for the next 20 years and I have no doubt it would never go out of style.

Hopefully I'll be bugging a few of you very highly rated seller in the next while, to see if anyone has one of these for me.

[cikez5252]

My 14060M Sub Review

It has been about over 2 months since I purchased my Rolex Submariner 14060M, otherwise known to the unwashed masses as the “Sub ND”. I feel that I have knocked it against enough doorknobs to write an intelligent watch review.

The Sub serves potentially two purposes in my collection. It will either be the fanciest, most expensive watch I own, or it will be the “beater” in a more extensive collection of tool watches. I am not a WIS, I don’t appreciate decorated movements, complications or rarity. Much like my home, vehicle and most of my clothing, I prefer a watch for its utilitarian value.

The Sub suits my watch use habits very well. I grew up around the water near Annapolis, MD. More often than not I could be found sailing, swimming, waterskiing or flying with my Dad. Sailing for me was a particularly wet sport, as I owned a small catamaran and was dumped in the Severn River quite often. Many times righting the boat involved taking a deep breath, following the mast down 20+ feet to the bottom and freeing it from the mud. The Sub is a great watch for my lifestyle. I don’t like to have to take it off to jump in the ocean or a pool. That’s how Buzz Aldrin lost his Speedy. The safest place for my watch is on my wrist, therefore the watch needs to be tough enough to go nearly anywhere. While any Rolex Oyster could easily handle this lifestyle, the Sub is the best combo of durability and looks (for me).

One great “Tool Watch” qualification of the 14060M is that it, along with its cousin the Sea-Dweller, is made only in Stainless Steel. Oddly, Rolex manages to polish just the right surfaces to catch the light in a way that one normally sees on chrome. The glint from the top of the coin-edge bezel, case sides and crown grooves make what was a lump of stainless steel shine like a diamond. This makes it one of the few watches with the ability to dress up or down as far as one needs.

Much has been written about the Rolex Oyster bracelet. Rolex has improved it on many of the newer models, but the 14060M retains the old non-SEL standard bracelet. It feels like something from a bad knock-off, but history talks. This bracelet has “been there, done that and bought the T-shirt”. Still, it compares well to most of the other SS bracelets I’ve seen. The ability to take a piece of Scotch-Brite to the brushed surfaces is priceless. Recently I noticed some desk-diver rub marks on the 12 o’clock side of the bracelet. I hit it with some lemon Palmolive and a Scotch-Brite pad and it’s as good as new. Try that with a polished center-link.

The 14060M is often overlooked because of the lack of a date feature. My wife remarked the other day that she uses the date function on her Datejust more than the time. Unfortunately, I’m the guy who has to adjust the date every other month or after two days in the jewelry box. While I wouldn’t mind upgrading to a Sea-Dweller, not having to babysit the date is a plus for me.

For me, the 14060M is the modern version of the classic Submariner. The history behind this watch is amazing. I’m glad to own it and “buyer’s remorse” has never been a factor. Anyone who aspires to own several Rolex models should consider the 14060M as the foundation of their collection.

Ed Rooney
12/29/2007

Very nice watch and review.

[adr]

thanks for posting this wonderful review. It's has been years since my 1st Rolex.
After a while been in this forum, the effect is up again. :joy:

[gone-rolex-mad]

Good review, and a great watch. Well done.

[hflee55]

Great Review....I'm so tempted to get one now.

BTW, I'm new to the forum....so Hi All!

[cdmackay]

Would someone please tell me...

Other than the new labelling on the dial, is there any difference between the non-COSC certified 14060M, and the new COSC-certified one?

i.e. was anything changed to achieve the certification? They're both using the 3130 movement, right?

Is it just that Rolex never got around to seeking certification, and now they have? Or are there real changes?

thanks much...

[2careless]

Would someone please tell me...

Other than the new labelling on the dial, is there any difference between the non-COSC certified 14060M, and the new COSC-certified one?

i.e. was anything changed to achieve the certification? They're both using the 3130 movement, right?

Is it just that Rolex never got around to seeking certification, and now they have? Or are there real changes?

thanks much...


Welcome to TRF, enjoy your stay here:cheers:
For what is worth, there is absolutely no difference- same reference, same movement.

[adr]

Would someone please tell me...

Other than the new labelling on the dial, is there any difference between the non-COSC certified 14060M, and the new COSC-certified one?

i.e. was anything changed to achieve the certification? They're both using the 3130 movement, right?

Is it just that Rolex never got around to seeking certification, and now they have? Or are there real changes?

thanks much...

Rolex just add 2extra line to the dail & some RRR with serial at 6.
am i right guys ?

movement wise, i believe it's 3130 or might be 3131 the The Parachrome-Blu ! :thinking:

There was a tread before, Tools says need pop up those M/V case to confirm. I read SG Rolex forum, one fella pop up the M serial & found same old silver spring.

There is something mysterious about these 14060M COSC, that's why im here to find out. :thumbsup:

[cdmackay]

thanks much for that...

[alphamale2012]

Worth getting a new 1 or second hand?

[Perdu]

Very thought out review, Ed. It was my first Rolex back in the late 80's. Mine had an acylic crystal and I kick myself for selling it. Again, great review.:thumbsup:

[eric23]

Great Review, I love this watch!

[mauryca]

I wish I could write like this.......Thanks, since I could atleast read it

[bradg]

This watch was my first and I absolutley love it. Great review

[Teofilo]

This classic review has popped back up to the top again.
Great watch and I still wear mine every couple of days.....simple, elegant and classic Rolex.

[Teofilo]

Dear Freind,
Hold on to your Sub no date and Gmt master II,16710 is already discontined
Sub no date is soon going to be
Best Regards
Baha Turker

Thanks for the advice Baha.
The Sub was my first decent watch,purchased for myself on my 40th birthday. So it will never get flipped.
Plus I got married and watched my darling baby get born whilst wearing it..........

[holmes]

I've purposely held off writing anything about my 16040M COSC. Wanted to give it time to see how it would perform right out of the box, as in brand new.
Well I can report that this is "the " watch hands down. Mine has been trouble free, and keeping exemplary time. About +2 seconds per 24. I have been able to shake off that nonsense of, "my watch keeps +/- 0 time, or it gains +1 per 24 hours". The reason I say that fanatics enjoy bragging about their watch,and seconds, gained or lost, rather than appreciating the whole piece. We know that that no mechanical watch keeps "+/-0" time. When I read things like that contributed it reminds me of the old saying "gee Dad, it's a whirlitzer". The way I view this timepiece is that of a reference 5512 with incredible
improvements. The 5512 is a no date, like the 14060M COSC. With all the information floating around. A date on a watch is almost passe`.

[hhuy99]

I bought my 14060M COSC after reading this review. Good job. :clap::clap:

[volkersports]

I've had it for two years and it is my everyday watch. I wear it on a grey and black G-10 Nato band because the Oyster bracelet makes it too heavy for me. I wear other watches for dress but if it is jeans, T-shirts or travel wear, then the Sub is the perfect watch. Mine gains a little each day and about one a week, I reset it. If I wanted perfect time, I'd wear a quartz. The watch is very close to the 5512 of the fifties. It had no date and I find it hard to think that a diver loses track of days when using his watch in the water. I have several very vintage watches but they are too delicate to take on international travels.
82681

[02transam]

good looking watch you have there.

[gregory]

My first ever Rolex, and having owned it for just a month or so (probably less) I can safely say my lust for watches and my thirst for more has been quenched for now.

It sits on my wrist like a purring cat on a Bond villains arm.


It's meant to be there!!!


Greg.:thumbsup:

[justrolexes]

I just bought a V 14060 and Love it...
Classic clean cut.

[gelshocker]

Thanks for the great review. I love mine. Classic yet timeless Rolex

http://www.kamenrider.net/misc/Sub3s.jpg

[lhs]

Hi Team,

If I were to buy a 14060M today, brand new, would they be SEL or non-SEL?

Cheers

[PhilK]

Can someone please let me know when the COSC writing first appeared?

[theken]

The Z series Sub ND was the first to appear with the COSC printing on the dial. The latest V series retain the holes in the case and the non SEL bracelet.
My feeling is that a COSC Sub ND belongs in every Rolex collection.

[groovejosh]

Looks classy

[anonymousmoose]

A good reviewing of the ND, I too am looking for one for the same reasons as the OP.

[anonymousmoose]

A good reviewing of the ND, I too am looking for one for the same reasons as the OP.

[aleiberman]

Great review. I just picked up a P-Serial 14060M. It's my favorite watch now.

[14060MSUB]

Great review! I just picked mine up in Maui on the 24th and I couldnt be happier with the choice.

[DESP-MAN]

it is a great watch, but the date function on the sd I used a lot too.

[erolorhun]

An absolute timeless classic. That`s why i am on the lookout for one.

[jherm77]

I just bought my first Rolex, this model. Great thread to read in anticipation!

[Fredke]

I like this watch very mutch. I am planing to buy my first Rolex as soon as I can, but since I dicided a few weeks ago, up to now I only saved 200 euros :2: so, I will have to smoke less cuban cigars in the following months...
Anyway, if my choice is now 90% sub vs 10% GMT, I keep hesitating between Sub Date and Sub no date. I like the sub no date because it is pretty, cheaper, less common, more classical. I like the sub date because... it gives the date and it is the most famous. I mean, when you weare a Rolex, I guess most of you, you like when your friends, your boss, your barmaid, the hotel receptionist look at your wisp and say "nice watch"... and I was thinking the Sub date is more "iconic" for non-Rolex people. Let say the cyclops of the Rolex is like the spoiler of the Porsche 911 or the crocodile on the Lacoste shirt... it "upgrades" the watch for the eyes of the non-Rolex people.
But now, I am thinking: "what about the date"? I don't need it that much... and is that cyclops that beautiful??? Big debate, even for myself: one day I say yes and an other day I say no... So, when I have a problem like this, I talk to my wife. She is definitely younger than me but also definitely more mature... and she said: "you already have an Invicta looking like the Sub date, so, even if is not a Rolex, take something different"... So, I feel what I will do is getting first a Sub no date: it costs almost 1000 euros less, I will save the money faster, and later, maybe I'll get also a Sub date... or a GMT Master "pepsi"...
The good point is my wife finally admitted the fact I can spend all this money "just to know what time is it" instead to change my wardrobe and wear something else than t-shirts, jeans and my 3-years-old Carterpilar shoes...

[jherm77]

Oddly enough, I rarely look at the date on my watch. It was a win win situation for me, once I thought about it. I struggled with the sub date as well, thinking it was more iconic. Once I accepted this purchase was for myself, something I always wanted, I stopped caring if other people recognized the date model more. In short, I love the clean, simple look of the model. I have a few other nice watches that are MUCH more complicated. As with life, keep it simple!

[Jason Judd]

I like the graceful simplicity of the 14060...

Probably what I'm going to get.

[steubi1]

Good review, fully agree.

The 14060 COSC is my favourite, it gets most wrist time.
Why? It is light, comfortable to wear, it is THE Rolex Sub, mine is running extremely accurate (+20 sec per month), classic, beautiful, simple design....And the history! What can we get more from a watch? I LOVE IT!

And I know what I am talking about, crazy for watches, owning about 30 or 40 of them, complicated, decorated, some much more expensive than Rolex, but finally:::14060m!

Thanks for your review, enjoy your watch as I do.

Regards Tom

[Sluggy]

here's mine! It's the second 14060 that I have owned. Also had an A series I bought in 1998, then traded it for a new Sea Dweller. I like the 14060 better... :)

http://i49.tinypic.com/zwjmme.jpg

the infamous tuna can quality clasp!

http://i50.tinypic.com/qzkyol.jpg

[Tippix]

Just a wonderful watch

[nuovorecord]

Much has been written about the Rolex Oyster bracelet. Rolex has improved it on many of the newer models, but the 14060M retains the old non-SEL standard bracelet.

Is it possible to upgrade a 14060 to a SEL bracelet? Thanks much.

[slevin kelevra]

It is possible and has been done (see amatuer watchmakers corner) but I wouldnt recommend it!

[fc3s2k]

I coudn't agree more. That is why the 14060M is my first rolex, my first love.

[eagle_lex]

My ND p serial is by far my most comfortable and favorite watch. It's a must have in any collection!

[nowzen]

Darn you Ed!... after reading this thread I went out and bought my 14060M.
I had been agonizing over date/no date, cosc/2-liner, rehaut/clean, new/old. Anyways it all became crystal clear.... I bought a 'Y' 14060M from a used luxury watch dealer in Kowloon Hong Hong (yes, it's real). Near-mint for $3100 US. - no paper though. Really love its clean lines - its the ultimate watch and it feels so good on my wrist. Now to sell my Tudor mini-sub...

[tradernick]

The Z series Sub ND was the first to appear with the COSC printing on the dial. The latest V series retain the holes in the case and the non SEL bracelet.
My feeling is that a COSC Sub ND belongs in every Rolex collection.theken, can you tell me a bit about the SS bracelets on the 14060? I have read a few references here on RF to the fact that the bracelet on certain years, or within a certain range of years, is somewhat 'tinny' or less than solid-feeling. Now, this will in no way prevent me from acquiring what is my grail watch. I just want to know about this distinction between the SEL and non-SEL bracelet, and I'm looking for some info on the SS 14060 bracelets in general. I want to pick up a fairly recent year (maybe 2004 or newer). Should I expect to see different bracelets? Is there one in particular that guys around here like better?

Thanks to you or anyone who can shed some light on this for me.

[Rebel]

Thanks for the review. Very good read

[RobCook]

This watch is next on my list. An absolute classic.

[club25]

I will purchase my rolex submariner 14060M 2001 model tomorrow from a friend. I cant sleep. This by the way is my first post. Hi.. to all.

[slevin kelevra]

Congrats! You wont regret it! My 14060m is very rarely off my wrist!

http://i775.photobucket.com/albums/yy37/Slevin_Kelevra_album/side.jpg

[ac001]

This is a great review. I got mine last week from a trusted TRF seller. A great looking watch.

[100thmonkey]

If you are lucky enough to own or buy a 14060 it has to be a non COSC version!

The addition of the COSC added little more than a piece of paper to the box and spoiled the cleanest of the dials. The lure of the ND is its simplicity, less is more, the absence of the date and cyclops balances the dial and on a non COSC it has the perfect '2 up 2 down' balance of written text on the dial.

Non COSC versions are older and will become vintage and sought after in time where we crave the original design after suffering the ceramic invasion of the last few years.

If you have got a COSC you own probably the 2nd best pound for pound Rolex out there but perfection needs not the certificate!!!!

[TSW]

Great review buddy!!

[geepee]

I bought my non-COSC Z series in April of this year from an AD.
Serial Z119_ _ _ . I'm assuming it was one of the last non-COSCs produced.

[dave thomas]

http://i120.photobucket.com/albums/o181/roebuck_2007/006-2.jpg
all i can say about mine is that it rocks.:dude::dude::dude:

[Jede]

http://www.ananas.fi/temp/L1020544.jpg

[mpaone]

I have a 98' 14060. Love it to death!

-Mike.

[akim4545]

YES!!! Finally part of the Sub Club!!! (shot and edited with my Iphone 4)

[slevin kelevra]

What a Picture!

[nolawis]

My current SubND is my second. I bought my first in about 1996 or 1997 but could not do without the date. My cellphone was the size of a cinderblock and I didn't imagine they would get so small or so required for my line of work. Now that I have a device that shows the date, I was happy to unload my 16610 for the ND. I love having such a clean dial option to my DJ and my GMT.

[Ginissimo]

This is REALLY SUBMARINER!!!

[farroki]

Excellent review, Ed. That was a great read. Very nice picture too.

Kind regards,

Ryan

[Passionata]

great write up,
i think a two liner is a great piece in every collectionhttp://lh5.googleusercontent.com/_TmhXd8t2fLc/TZxZYZPrVYI/AAAAAAAAMMA/LODapbmySgs/s720/P1000281.JPG

[usbzoso]

great write up ... i cant live without date feature though

[Bruno C]

It's a classic!!
Let me introduce my ND

[Darkshark]

I am new to this forum and am interested in buying my first Rolex. The ND Sub is the one that I am really drawn to. This will be my first Sub. Reviews like this really get the lust going!:thumbsup:

[randb]

Hi all been lurking for a while now, this is my first post in this forum. I want to say what a great review. I purchased my ND new on 15/7/11 (G Serial). I would like to comment on the bracelet. It feels light yes, it feels cheap sort of, but when you look at it and check out the quality and workmanship it is to a very high standard and makes the watch very comfortable to wear. I feel very confident that it is not going to break apart any time soon. Oh, by the way the watch is awesome to wear and I love it.

Cheers

[Ranger06]

The bracelet on the 14060M is a big time winner. In the field.

This style bracelet is the only kind that I've ever known.

I bought my first Rolex in 1985. It was a GMT Master II "Fat Lady" with the same bracelet.

I wore it all over Central and South America while in the U.S. Army. Rarely took it off. Wore it on operations in Bolivia while burning down Cocaine labs. Wore it in the jungles of Panama. Made many jumos with it. Wenth thriugh Jumpmaster scool with it. Went swimming and snorkling with it.

The watch and the bracelet were perfect.

In particular, the bracelet, which is both comfortable and durable.

No complaints.

[calibre1]

The bracelet on the 14060M is a big time winner. In the field.

This style bracelet is the only kind that I've ever known.

I bought my first Rolex in 1985. It was a GMT Master II "Fat Lady" with the same bracelet.

I wore it all over Central and South America while in the U.S. Army. Rarely took it off. Wore it on operations in Bolivia while burning down Cocaine labs. Wore it in the jungles of Panama. Made many jumos with it. Wenth thriugh Jumpmaster scool with it. Went swimming and snorkling with it.

The watch and the bracelet were perfect.

In particular, the bracelet, which is both comfortable and durable.

No complaints.

Wow!! That' s alot of life experience you had with your watch.:thumbsup:

I have a few questions:

Has it ever been serviced?

Did not having a date bugged you during all these time?

How often did you need to reset the time?

Lastly, can we see a pic of that watch that has been through it all??

Cheers!!
:cheers:

[zeuloa]

The bracelet on the 14060M is a big time winner. In the field.

This style bracelet is the only kind that I've ever known.

I bought my first Rolex in 1985. It was a GMT Master II "Fat Lady" with the same bracelet.

I wore it all over Central and South America while in the U.S. Army. Rarely took it off. Wore it on operations in Bolivia while burning down Cocaine labs. Wore it in the jungles of Panama. Made many jumos with it. Wenth thriugh Jumpmaster scool with it. Went swimming and snorkling with it.

The watch and the bracelet were perfect.

In particular, the bracelet, which is both comfortable and durable.

No complaints.

Do you still have the GMT? Pics please!

[mikkolopez]

this is mine and it is truly a keeper. dressing up or dressing down it is still magnificent
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/mikkolopez/My%20Watches/SND13.jpg
http://i583.photobucket.com/albums/ss273/mikkolopez/My%20Watches/SND7.jpg

[Behtahan]

Nailed a 14060M as my first Rolex and I am glad I picked it

[li21]

Im looking for a 14060, but seems like the COSC are rarer..

For me I like the looks of the non COSC, but i LOVE the look of the COSC... just those words seem to fill the empty space.

How much more can I expect to pay for a COSC version over a non ?

[ecsub44]

Im looking for a 14060, but seems like the COSC are rarer..

For me I like the looks of the non COSC, but i LOVE the look of the COSC... just those words seem to fill the empty space.

How much more can I expect to pay for a COSC version over a non ?

The COSC are "rarer" because they are newer and less have been manufactured (probably).

All else being the same...and assuming they are both used...there won't be very much difference between the price in the COSC and non-COSC.

[JimSnyder]

I never get tired of looking at this watch, great post :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

[bhfong]

It is an excellent watch and I prefer the COSC over the non.

[mensun518]

I got one a year earlier.It's so good.

[bujal81]

Hi,

I bought my first rolex back in 2007...a DJ 116234 with blue dial...i love the watch...and wore it every day since....

Then last 2 weeks...i bought the 14060M and feel it much nicer becoz of the sporty look....i don't mind the ND because my DJ has that already....

Overall, i love my 14060M and i think it's the best looking Rolex ever... :D

[northp33]

Great review...do you wish they upgraded the bracelet to the sel? I wonder if it makes noise the same way as some of the older models?

[myk7000]

Alll these wrist shots are making me want this so bad...

[Marrk]

^^ Yeah. I'm thinking about picking up another one before they are discontinued.

[li21]

^^ Yeah. I'm thinking about picking up another one before they are discontinued.

when would you anticipate that would be ?

[Marrk]

I have no special knowledge. I'm just guessing. But Basel 2012 might be a good time for Rolex to introduce a ceramic Sub No-Date.

[Vaxe]

If you are lucky enough to own or buy a 14060 it has to be a non COSC version!

Non COSC versions are older and will become vintage and sought after in time where we crave the original design after suffering the ceramic invasion of the last few years.

No modern Rolex will become "rare" in our lifetime. Go with what you love - COSC or non-COSC.

I personally won't touch any modern model that does not have rehaut. Not to sound pompous, but I have yet to see a replica with accurate rehaut; wearing a rehaut model stops the "hey you're wearing a fake" claim.

[oliphanttapp56]

Just got my 1st 14060m on the 20th October 2011 new from UK AD. It is lovely and feels great on the wrist. Tempted to not take off the seals, just because my AD (who plays golf with people from rolex) said it has stopped production now.

But will definitely use it. Rather not buy them just to keep in safe.

[OrangeSport]

Just got my 1st 14060m on the 20th October 2011 new from UK AD.

Got mine on the 14 October and am absolutely loving it!

[oliphanttapp56]

There is something great about the 14060m. I think it is just classy, light on the wrist, and a classic. What more do you want? Not into too flashy things really.

Will it be my last rolex - now way!
Already thinking about 16610LV (old LV sub).

[Marrk]

Just got my 1st 14060m on the 20th October 2011 new from UK AD. It is lovely and feels great on the wrist. Tempted to not take off the seals, just because my AD (who plays golf with people from rolex) said it has stopped production now.

But will definitely use it. Rather not buy them just to keep in safe.



I'm wearing mine this month, too! :cheers:


You guys should post pictures of your new watches, especially with the 14060m, since there are some (very slight) dial variations in circulation.

[OrangeSport]

You guys should post pictures of your new watches, especially with the 14060m, since there are some (very slight) dial variations in circulation.

Here you go:

[Marrk]

@OrangeSport: :thumbsup:

[bgluckdo]

Great Review

[Lew Archer]

Two years ago, I decided to get the Submariner...which I'd wanted for years. My preference was for the ND, but, at the time, the AD only had the Date model. I figured, what the hell...and knew the date would be a practical feature. I've loved that watch....

All the same, every time I see the ND, I get wistful. Only people here could possibly understand that, I suppose.

A couple of weeks ago, I saw the ND at an AD, but talked myself out of it.

So...I read this thread--again--and gave into temptation. I went into the AD...and the ND was gone. Sold, no doubt, to some kindred soul. Good for him. He who hesitates, and all that.

With little optimism, I asked the AD if they could get another...

Yes!

My new 16040M COSC should arrive at the AD sometime next week...

Hey, thanks to this forum, I actually know the reference number!

[Marrk]

Lew, if you're in SoCal, I know a few ADs that have them, should anything go wrong with your current deal.

Loved you in _The Drowning Pool_, by the way!

[Lew Archer]

Lew, if you're in SoCal, I know a few ADs that have them, should anything go wrong with your current deal.

Loved you in _The Drowning Pool_, by the way!

Yes, I am in SoCal...I will let you know if things go sideways, thanks very much!

Glad to see there are other Ross MacDonald fans out there!! The Drowning Pool is one of my favorite Archer novels....the movie wasn't bad, either. And Newman was a Rolex guy, after all...

[Marrk]

I'm a huge Ross MacDonald fan. Read 'em all. He is heir to Hammett and Chandler. No one else comes close. :thumbsup:


If you have a good AD, PM me. I'm always looking for one.

[Lew Archer]

I'm a huge Ross MacDonald fan. Read 'em all. He is heir to Hammett and Chandler. No one else comes close. :thumbsup:


If you have a good AD, PM me. I'm always looking for one.

I agree--MacDonald, Chandler and Hammett are in a league of their own.

Always good to meet fellow fans!

[Lew Archer]

I'm a huge Ross MacDonald fan. Read 'em all. He is heir to Hammett and Chandler. No one else comes close. :thumbsup:


If you have a good AD, PM me. I'm always looking for one.

Sent you a PM...let me know if it doesn't go get to you (it's not showing in my sent messages box)...

[OrangeSport]

My new 16040M COSC should arrive at the AD sometime next week...

Great story, I am sure you won't be disappointed!

[Marrk]

Sent you a PM...let me know if it doesn't go get to you (it's not showing in my sent messages box)...


You have been PM-ed in return, Lew.

[cityboy340]

I have no special knowledge. I'm just guessing. But Basel 2012 might be a good time for Rolex to introduce a ceramic Sub No-Date.

I feel like that would ruin the model though (probably echoing what others have said) I feel lucky getting one of the last ones, a random serial no-date :dude:

[Griffi]

After hours of deliberation, I bite the bullet and went to local AD to get my Sub ND. It has such as classic look and is a wonderful watch. I think in a couple of years, this model will also be revised. I would get one and hold on to it forever.
Included some pics to help other rolex fans. Enjoy.

[OrangeSport]

Very nice, but I am biased!

[chaisson]

Just joined this site tonight. Long story short, always had Tag Heurs, now turning the big 50. Local dealer is taking in a black non date stainless Submariner for me to look at tomorrow. I really like the look of this piece. Should the newest one be the best one? Also heard they might change it to the Ceramic soon......your thoughts?

[chaisson]

Just joined this site tonight. Long story short, always had Tag Heurs, now turning the big 50. Local dealer is taking in a black non date stainless Submariner for me to look at tomorrow. I really like the look of this piece. Should the newest one be the best one? Also heard they might change it to the Ceramic soon......your thoughts?

Should add it's brand new.....