The Rolex Submariner (current model Pre-2010)

[Tools]

Submariner Reference Numbers: Since ~1989; 14060, 14060M, 16610, 16610V, 16613, 16618

Date of production:
Modern Sapphire crystal Subs, from mid-1980's into 2010 production year.

Weight
14060 - 127 grams
16610 - 135 grams
16613 - 148 grams
16618 - 175 grams
As a comparison, the: 1680 - 117 grams

Movement:
14060M - Calibre:3130, Jewels:31, Beats per hour:28,800
16610 - Calibre:3135, Jewels:31,
16610V - 3135
16613 - 3135

Power Reserve:

Photographs:
14060M:
91875

14060M-COSC Z-series,
(Photo courtesy of Mike)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/mike381/6.jpg

16610
(Photo Courtesy of Mike)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/mike381/16610-1.jpg

16610 LV-F series-oval O
(Photo courtesy of Mike)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/mike381/153_5390-1.jpg

16610 LV-D series
(Photo courtesy of Mike)
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff286/mike381/145_4526-50-1.jpg

V series 16610, LV and LN:
122494

Rolex 3135 Movement:
122495

Links:
Rolex Site - Submariner (http://www.rolex.com/en/#/en/xml/collection/rolex-gallery/submariner/index)

The 3135 Movement (http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/andrewb/3135/3135_1.htm)

[directioneng]

New YG Blue ceramic sub.
Ad rang me to come and see it today.
New clasp adjustment lift slide and re-clip - very nice.
Colour was almost identical to the current TT blue sub. First pix seems to wash the colour out. Second pix shows the correct darker blue.

[cmkooi]

Looking great !
A lot of people were nagging about the blue..
Love it !!

[golfball123]

great pics.. especially the yg sub..

[JimC]

Some excellent photos! Thanks, all!

[Zman86]

I wonder if I'll be able to update the clasp on mine with that one eventually

[Alcan]

One of the great things about the 16613 Black TT Sub is that there's only one shade of black. They all look exactly the same regardless of the production year. And its as much at home in the boardroom as on the starting line of a yacht race.

[adr]

:thumbsup: bravo :thumbsup:
nice & appealing pictures :clap::clap:

[Cato]

Wow, what a classic!

[rilu]

awsome pics

[tommypit]

One of the great things about the 16613 Black TT Sub is that there's only one shade of black. They all look exactly the same regardless of the production year. And its as much at home in the boardroom as on the starting line of a yacht race.

I bought the same watch a couple of weeks ago and I love it! The contrast of the black and gold is a real eye popper and feels great on the wrist. I dont go into board rooms or yachts. Im looking forward to wearing it on the first warm spring day with jeans and white t-shirt :cheers:

[hflee55]

Love the Subs....Awesome write-up.

[sea-dweller]

Great info !

[Alfred24]

Great Subs. Thanks for sharing.

[anipit]

Beautiful pictures, my 2009 model series M has rolexrolexrolexrolexserialnumberrolexrolex on the ... rehault (sorry if mistake) like the 14060M-COSC Z-series,(Photo courtesy of Mike)

Sorry, a M serial number means 2007/2008 i think.

[jimmjames]

the pics of the 14060M make me want one soooooo bad.

[The Mantis]

Can one still buy from an AD a 14060M NON-COSC?

[jtvision]

I've never been a fan of the NonCSOCs; far too vast looking.

[Yoda]

I have a TT sub with black dial and have had it for three years now. All my other Rolex's stay in there pretty boxes as I love this watch some much. I recently took it to St James square for a service and leaving it with the Rolex service agent felt as if I was parting with a kidney!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Imtiaz]

The Sub ND 14060M has gone up in price by U$600 in 2 months.

I visited 6 stores in Tokyo today and 4 stores were sold out on new but one had a used F series.

Other 2 had 1 each. Prices are the same as for the Sub date. The model being discontinued makes it all the more popular.

Yes JJ is correct, why is Rolex killing off one of their most popular models?

[3266]

A True Classic! :clap:


Butter Hook :twit:

[The Alpha Beta]

Hey All

Wondered if someone could answer something for me. I have just bought an M series 16610, also have the rolex engravings in the rehaut.

Are there meant to be any serial numbers on the bracelet? I thought I'd seen some on older submariner bracelets, how come there aren't any on my 2009 M model? Should there not be any on there or am I panicking about nothing! :thinking:

[khewett]

Had the same panic on mine, the braclet numbers are on the ends of the solid inks where it joins the case. You will need to remove strap to see them.

[The Alpha Beta]

haha brilliant, thanks mate. Yeah it did worry me at first but thanks for confiming - can sleep easy now

[superformance]

Mates,

With regards to the 14060M: why is there 2 kinds of dial, one with extra writing of Superlative chronometer officially certified and the other without? Is it about the movement or the year/series?

Sorry for this question for am not that familiar to this model, Im just having interest because I plan to get one so that my 5513 will have an offspring.

TIA for all of you,

SP

[3266]

The two lines of writing on the dial is for the Non COSC (Superlative Chronometer Officially Certified - Rolex talk for Swiss Chronometer).

While the 4 lines of text is for the COSC Version - Contrôle Officiel Suisse des Chronomètres, the Official Swiss Chronometer Testing Institute, which is the institute responsible for certifying the accuracy and precision of wristwatches in Switzerland. :smokin:

The four lines of text is just a marketing ploy really, since the Explorer I uses the same movement (3030) as the 14060M Non Date Sub and is an Official Swiss Chronometer.

Proving the fact that any Rolex can be made into an Official Chronometer with a bit of tweaking. Not to mention the Fact that this is 'Rolex' we are talking about - So premature failure of the movement is something you need not be to concerned about.

I myself prefer the cleaner and more classic look of the Non COSC - Looks more 007!!! :thumbsup:

[greekbum]

Submariner

[mustangbrad]

Great writeup. That black sub lools nuts. Almost want to buy over an older blue face.

[Some Pair]

...and pics as well! Thank you...:thumbsup:

btw. JMO, but Lovin'the coloring of my Bluesy all the more now.... Lucky Me.

[JohnnyT]

Thanks for the info, I am planning on buy a sub for my first Rolex.

[krbarnes]

This is what I want for my 2nd Rolex!!

[sandytn]

Awesome writeup and pictures. Thanks.

[miamiman]

Im glad to hear that the nd sub is gonna be a collector ,im glad i kept mine. i remember when nobody wanted them including the dealers...

[geoff_rolex]

Nice photo's.

The submariner is my favourite model. I am looking to buy one, but cannot decide on the LV or the regular black bezel date model. I think the LV is a bit more eye catching and the green is a bit different, and i much prefer the maxi hour markers and the larger minute hand - but im not sure if the green will go out of fashion over the years and the black bezel would be a safer bet?

I'd be interested to hear the opinions of fellow sub fans.

Im new to this site so excuse my crude use of terms!

[sexner]

Nice photo's.

The submariner is my favourite model. I am looking to buy one, but cannot decide on the LV or the regular black bezel date model. I think the LV is a bit more eye catching and the green is a bit different, and i much prefer the maxi hour markers and the larger minute hand - but im not sure if the green will go out of fashion over the years and the black bezel would be a safer bet?

I'd be interested to hear the opinions of fellow sub fans.

Im new to this site so excuse my crude use of terms!

Welcome to TRF, Geoff.

You should probably try the different models on and see which you like best.

:cheers:

[deserted]

Great info....Thanks for sharing

[joeychitwood]

I'm new to this site and am trying to research my watch. I've owned my gold and stainless Submariner since 1992. The serial number begins with an "X." I have no paperwork for the watch, just a 2008 appraisal done at the Rolex jeweler.) I have it regularly cleaned and polished.

My question is this: how do I ascertain the model number (at least I assume these are models numbers) of my watch? I see references to 16610, 16613, etc. and their relationship to weight and jewels, but is there an easy way to find out what my watch is? Can anyone tell just by looking at a photo? Thanks for any information you can give me.

[Iron Dealer 1]

Remove the bracelet. The model number is stamped on the watch, at the 12 or 6 position

[JRA21]

Nice Pictures by all !!!!!!!

[joeychitwood]

Remove the bracelet. The model number is stamped on the watch, at the 12 or 6 positionThanks. That was easier than I thought. Two minutes and a toothpick at the 12 o'clock end reveal that it is a 16613.


http://images.mdlindquist.com/16613.jpg

[trophy]

i've bought my first rolex last sept. 6, and of course its a long time dream a sub. i chose SUBMARINER LV, v series, with the rolexrolexrolex engraving at the rehaut. i really like the green bezel signigfying the 50th anniversary of this wonderful watch. i also love the black maxi dial , which makes it easy for me to tell the time because of the big hands and green dots that exudes in the black dial. i also have a Tudor Hydronaut, the one with the black carbon fiber dial and black bezel. when i bought this, i said to myself that sub will be my next watch... and thanks God i am wearing it right now. im looking forward on my next crown, it maybe a YM platinum or Submariner bluesy TT, whatever it is only TIME can tell. :thumbsup:

[ArcticMoose]

I just bought my first Rolex, after spending about four hours at the dealer over two days.

At first I was sceptical of the more royal blue, not to mention the gold, compared to what I've been wearing for the last 13 years, a titanium Eco-Drive with navy dial. I am quickly getting used to it.

93012

93013

I was surprised to not find any etching on the glass, or any markings on the back of the case, and also that the bracelet squeaks. Should I be concerned?

This was a bit of an impulse purchase, which is uncharacteristic for me. Before I purchased my latest car I spent a year trolling forums, and another couple months lamenting over options and colors.

[luvsub]

Great information, thanks for sharing.

[Pablo Escobar]

I just bought my first Rolex, after spending about four hours at the dealer over two days.

At first I was sceptical of the more royal blue, not to mention the gold, compared to what I've been wearing for the last 13 years, a titanium Eco-Drive with navy dial. I am quickly getting used to it.



I was surprised to not find any etching on the glass, or any markings on the back of the case, and also that the bracelet squeaks. Should I be concerned?

This was a bit of an impulse purchase, which is uncharacteristic for me. Before I purchased my latest car I spent a year trolling forums, and another couple months lamenting over options and colors.



There is the standard etching on the glass at 6 O'clock. However there are no markings or holographic stickers on the V series. I am yet to see a counterfeit 2010 V Sub TT

[ArcticMoose]

There is the standard etching on the glass at 6 O'clock. However there are no markings or holographic stickers on the V series. I am yet to see a counterfeit 2010 V Sub TT

I can't see any etching at all on the glass, or did you mean the V series does not have that either?

Are there any photos available of the box, certificates, manuals, etc that should have come with it?

[TSW]

Awsome write up & great pics!!

[Jason Judd]

Why are the 'RED' subs so much more expensive? What is the difference between those and the non-Red model?

I'm just learning about the Subs, and haven't been able to figure this one out!

Thanks,

Jason

[Tools]

Why are the 'RED' subs so much more expensive? What is the difference between those and the non-Red model?

I'm just learning about the Subs, and haven't been able to figure this one out!

Thanks,

Jason

The only difference is that little bit of red paint.........:cheers:

[Iron Dealer 1]

That is a beautiful piece...enjoy it!

[inLine4]

Thanks. That was easier than I thought. Two minutes and a toothpick at the 12 o'clock end reveal that it is a 16613.


http://images.mdlindquist.com/16613.jpg

Love the bling!

http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg209/inlineFour_photo/SAM_0031.jpg

[children]

hey guys, my 16613 has a SEL, with TT clasp, yet it has lug holes.. is this normal?
the watch is 2001/2002

[CKLinLA]

Can one still buy from an AD a 14060M NON-COSC?

All the 14060M Subs are COSC these days. For a
2 line/nonCOSC you'll have to find a pre-owned 14060.

[Tools]

hey guys, my 16613 has a SEL, with TT clasp, yet it has lug holes.. is this normal?
the watch is 2001/2002

Yes, quite normal........ the changeover was in the 2003/2004 time frame.....:cheers:

[LnL]

'89 was the FIRST year? I never realized my Sub was a first year model - series "L", 800xxx s/n.

[Autobot]

Submariner

Is there anywhere where I could find something like this (the 3-4 pages of stats) for the 16610 version of the Sub? Thanks

[jtROCKS701]

Love the green colored bezel... looks great!

[Dent]

Nice photo's.

The submariner is my favourite model. I am looking to buy one, but cannot decide on the LV or the regular black bezel date model. I think the LV is a bit more eye catching and the green is a bit different, and i much prefer the maxi hour markers and the larger minute hand - but im not sure if the green will go out of fashion over the years and the black bezel would be a safer bet?

I'd be interested to hear the opinions of fellow sub fans.

Im new to this site so excuse my crude use of terms!

I too am new to TRF, welcome aboard! I was drawn to the 16610 LV but wasn't quite certain so I had a local AD transfer one to their inventory for only $100 refundable deposit. I can tell you that by experiencing the feel of the watch on your wrist and comparing them side by side (LV and LN) it was a no brainer for me to choose the LV (green bezel). The green bezel and the maxi-dial just really appealed to me. Go and experience the watch in real life to further intice yourself. It's a great feeling!

[jtROCKS701]

After removing the bracelet of my sub I found the model no. 2950417 at the 6 O'clock position. Do you guys have any info regarding this model?

[tep663]

i love the green colored sub, thats my next project, i already have a TT blue sub with D serries, but i really want the green one for my 3rd rolex.

[PlatinumWatches]

Love the green bezel sub

[rolexronnie]

Nice picture's everyone!!!! True player!!

[rocco_uk]

something that's bugging me -

whats the difference between the 16610 and the V series 16610LN?

[slinger]

I was wondering the same thing. 16610 vs the suffix. What is the difference?

[makap]

The initials LN stand for the french words Lunette Noir = Black Dial (LB= Blue, LV=Green etc).

So, there is no actual difference between those two models, except that for the second one it's known the dial color.

[makap]

The initials LN stand for the french words Lunette Noir = Black Dial (LB= Blue, LV=Green etc).

So, there is no actual difference between those two models, except that for the second one it's known the dial color.

[slinger]

Ahh, thanks for the info. I'm trying to learn whatever I can about these watches. I'm looking to make my first purchase of a nice watch this year. Thanks!!

[slinger]

Great, also what is TT? I have seen that one a few times, too.

[sleddog]

Great, also what is TT? I have seen that one a few times, too.

Two Tone, meaning gold and steel!:thumbsup:

[slinger]

got it, and lastly: The sub-C just designates that it has the date on it? Thanks for the help and info!

[ArcticMoose]

got it, and lastly: The sub-C just designates that it has the date on it? Thanks for the help and info!

No, "C" indicates that it has a ceramic bezel. So far all Submariners with ceramic bezels have a date function. There is currently no definitive information regarding the fate of the no-date Sub, it may be updated with a ceramic bezel or it may be discontinued. It hasn't been listed on the Rolex website for quite some time.