Basel 2009: New TT Blue & TT Black Subs.

[Tools]

I need to see these in person....:thumbsup:

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The Press Release Data:
OYSTER PERPETUAL SUBMARINER DATE

Ref. 116613 LN - 97203
Yellow Rolesor


The Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date Rolesor continues the tradition of the
absolute reference in divers’ watches.

The case features a new unidirectional rotatable bezel in 18 ct yellow gold with a black Cerachrom disc and a 120-notch anti-reverse click system.

Waterproof to a depth of 300 metres (1,000 feet), the Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date is chronometer-certified by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC). The movement is equipped with a Parachrom hairspring, highly resistant to shocks and magnetic fields, which ensures its superlative chronometric precision and remarkable reliability.

Black dial.

Oyster bracelet with Glidelock clasp.

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Ref. 116613 LB - 97203
Yellow Rolesor

The Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date Rolesor continues the tradition of the
absolute reference in divers’ watches.

The case features a new unidirectional rotatable bezel in 18 ct yellow gold with a blue Cerachrom disc and a 120-notch anti-reverse click system.

Waterproof to a depth of 300 metres (1,000 feet), the Oyster Perpetual Submariner Date is chronometer-certified by the Swiss Official Chronometer Testing Institute (COSC). The movement is equipped with a Parachrom hairspring, highly resistant to shocks and magnetic fields, which ensures its superlative chronometric precision and remarkable reliability.

Blue dial.

Oyster bracelet with Glidelock clasp.

.....Technical Information........

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That's all I'm saying............:cheers:

[JJ Irani]

Thanks, Larry.....but I have just ONE nagging question.

Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium? :thinking:

I'm pretty sure that most of us would NOT like that Titanium colour at all. Steel is steel and should look as such.

JJ

[Numismatist]

Thanks JJ, I noticed the difference but couldn't quite figure out what to make of it. A bit odd considering Rolex does do very nice photos.

[Tools]

Thanks, Larry.....but I have just ONE nagging question.

Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium? :thinking:

I'm pretty sure that most of us would NOT like that Titanium colour at all. Steel is steel and should look as such.

JJ

Probably has to do with the lighting Rolex uses.. I wouldn't expect any new metals, although they do use a heavier grain than other companies.

Here is a side-by-side look:

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[Welshwatchman]

Is that the actual colour of the steel, or are those pics making the steel look like Titanium? :thinking:

JJ

It's the shading they are using in order to de-smurf the blue.

[bradg]

That smurf blue bothers me....the other is about the nicest new release I've seen...the others stink

[ROLEXOFMIAMI]

That smurf blue bothers me

me too:thumbsdow

[hflee55]

yup...something odd about the smurf...

[JJ Irani]

Probably has to do with the lighting Rolex uses.. I wouldn't expect any new metals, although they do use a heavier grain than other companies.

Here is a side-by-side look:

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That's much better, Larry....thanks!!

Have to admit just one thing.....the BLACK actually looks better. Why couldn't Rolex get the correct shade of BLUE? :thinking:

[walds11]

The black dial is stunning. The blue dial stinks.

[cmr]

i can't for the life of me see any reason to buy a sub instead of the gmt master unless you want a simpler watch. it's the same watch with 1 less complication. i guess if you like the blue that would be a little motivation but if i want a black tt i will just buy the tt gmt.

[hwilsdorf]

The blue TT looks worse than the superseded 16613.

The glossy black ceramic bezel is just pure class! Love to see it in person myself.

[bodybump]

The black dial is stunning. The blue dial stinks.

i agree with you..i still love the bluesy color...

[newsean2000]

That smurf blue bothers me....the other is about the nicest new release I've seen...the others stink

+1

Blue and yellow gold do not match. Should be a no no.
It's not even like it's a nice blue either.

[Oscar]

Gee, I love the look of the new Sub. I'm curious what the MSRP will be here in Australia when it arrives.........:thumbsup:

[bewithabob]

the blue dial reminds me of ....

[Triple Black 88]

UGH... what happened to that beautiful Blue :cussing:

[chenx15]

me likey very much. but i was told no discount even in recession

[zidaneong]

still prefer the steel one, as it looks classier, at least for me. :)

[He Man]

I agreed. SS look much cleaner.

[Straight]

Not into that blue. Hate to say it, but some of the fake Asian subs that have been knocking around for years got the shade of blue right.

No reason for me to consider swapping out my GMTIIc.

[cosimo]

i agree with you..i still love the bluesy color...

Maybe because Im new, maybe because I just acquired a tt blue sub ( not this shade) but I think that blue is sweet and has a kind of pop to it.

[lawyerwatchfan]

i can't for the life of me see any reason to buy a sub instead of the gmt master unless you want a simpler watch. it's the same watch with 1 less complication. i guess if you like the blue that would be a little motivation but if i want a black tt i will just buy the tt gmt.

Ahhh....but don't forget about the glidelock clasp on the new ceramic Sub. I believe that it is superior in function to anything else made by Rolex or any other manufacturer. The GMT IIC does not have the glidelock.

[Wired1]

Black, all the way. Now, if only it were 3 mm bigger...

[cmr]

Ahhh....but don't forget about the glidelock clasp on the new ceramic Sub. I believe that it is superior in function to anything else made by Rolex or any other manufacturer. The GMT IIC does not have the glidelock.

it doesn't need a glidelock clasp as it doesn't go over a wet suite or diving gear. it has a comfort link for when my wrist swells and it works wonderfully!! :thumbsup: :cheers:

[AbstraKt]

My boss has the blue TT... the blue is actually not all that "punchy," so to speak. It's not all that subtle either. I'd say it's modest but noticeable.

[asindhidude]

I'm not sure I understand the point - exactly what makes the ceramic bezel better / worse than the old one?

[dxn]

I have a GMTIIc and thinking about getting the tt blue sub. I thought about waiting for
the new 2009 but the blue on 2009 does not look as good as the old one. Now I'm thinking
of getting the old version instead. To me the color is more important than the ceramic
bezel or the solid link. Wish I can have both.

[bokmeipai]

I have a GMTIIc and thinking about getting the tt blue sub. I thought about waiting for
the new 2009 but the blue on 2009 does not look as good as the old one. Now I'm thinking
of getting the old version instead. To me the color is more important than the ceramic
bezel or the solid link. Wish I can have both.

Wt difference is there in the blue? I think it looks the same.

[Some Pair]

When I aquired my TT Bluesy, I had no interest in it's Black TT cousin at all.

Once I saw these two newest offerings, I'm all on board now with that "class act" Black Ceramic TT......
I Would like to see the new blue in person, but otherwise after seeing these great pics, I have no interest in the newest B L U E one at all.

Tho just my opinion....:bye:

[zak98]

as well.. more on board with the tt black now.. i like the white text on dial vs. the gold text of old.

[bokmeipai]

i can't for the life of me see any reason to buy a sub instead of the gmt master unless you want a simpler watch. it's the same watch with 1 less complication. i guess if you like the blue that would be a little motivation but if i want a black tt i will just buy the tt gmt.

I agree the GMT II rocks !

[Perdu]

You don't get a 120 click bezel on a GMT IIc if that's important.

[Perdu]

I thought that the old Sub was 13mm thick, so is the new Sub 0.5mm thinner? But the above material shows the existing case as 12.17mm.

Anyway, I think the new black sub is cool. Never really liked the blue and still don't.

[Putnam Dan]

I'm looking to buy my first Rolex. My father worked with Comex Pro so has always work a Submariner on a Nato band and I cannot get the thing out of my head when looking for a new watch.

Any idea what the price will be in the US and if it's worth the trip Aruba?

[Putnam Dan]

Ouch $10,400 for the black ceramic tt. Better start collecting the pennies and hopefully by Christmas I'll be a new owner

[lwildcatz]

This is a different subject, but I think the WG Blue Sub is THE most beautiful watch in the world.

I will always be on SS budget and really can't afford that!

[Rags]

I'll take one of each please...Put it on my account.
On account of I must be out of my friggin mind to think I could afford 2 brand new subs..

[deserted]

I'm commenting on this because i'm a TT black sub owner, the new bezel for the TT black sub looks very crisp and robust it has a very mature look to it, the blue to my surprise grabs you when you see it in person, the smurf blue really does compliment the watch itself......I have tried both of them on and it if i could afford it i would attain both...

[ArcticMoose]

Ouch $10,400 for the black ceramic tt. Better start collecting the pennies and hopefully by Christmas I'll be a new owner

Is that the best price offered in the US?

[ersnyder]

I hate to be the odd man out, but the blue looks OK to me; I like it!

[ArcticMoose]

I hate to be the odd man out, but the blue looks OK to me; I like it!

I am very quickly getting used to it.

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[ersnyder]

Funny how that works huh?!

[deserted]

Excellent review very in depth......

[mmmmp]

This is a different subject, but I think the WG Blue Sub is THE most beautiful watch in the world.

I will always be on SS budget and really can't afford that!

Me too! (On both points)

I personally do not like those big lugs / super-case enhancements, but both pieces, in thier own way, are beautiful. The W/G cobalt blue is my grail...maybe someday.

Mark

[sea-dweller]

Great post, with great info.

[Mystro]

I am not digging the new case. Looks to me like Rolex forgot a machining step. I love the old blue.The blue always separated itself from its much more common black steel model. It was also more nautical and fit the Submariners theme. The new blue looks less demetional and flatter.
IMO the new Sub looks older than the current model its replacing.

My Serti Sub wasnt going anywhere anyway. After 12years of ownership and I still love the look over any other Rolex. :lv:

http://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj182/TheMystro1971/Time%20pieces/RolexSS.jpg

[ahl2easy]

has any one seen the new 116613 blu dia serti?....

[jnkay]

has any one seen the new 116613 blu dia serti?....

Nope, but a whole lotta black sertis

[rayt]

i must say the new two tone blue sub ceramic is better than the black one.i like the blue looks really cool and classy to me!i even prefer it than the old blue in the aluminum bezel.the lume is also awesome.am happy i got one in hk!worth it!

[RREngr]

I picked up the TT black a couple of months ago, I ended up switching the band because it is out of proportion with the size of the watch. Until I find something I like better, I'll stick with the rubber dive band, Mike.

[ahl2easy]

i have seen the 116613 blk dia serti, has anyone seen the Blu dia serti?

[norfolktommy]

ok, new to forums full stop!! i like the sub blue dial blue bezel 16613 gold/stainless bracelet. what do you think will be the best price I should pay for one brand new???

[rolexplorer2]

Well i think the 116613 LB blue is nicer than the old one, better clasp too.