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DadsWatch72
17 July 2009, 01:41 AM
I have a Double Red Rolex 1665 that was my fathers. I had it serviced in 1995 in Dallas 2 years after my father passed away. It came back looking new. They wanted to change out the band but I couldn't afford it so they sent it back with the watch unchanged but polished. I thought about keeping it in the box when it came back but thought to myself.....eh, its a watch meant to be worn so I have worn it as an everyday watch since. I always thought it was worth about $1500 bucks. Well, I lost the bezel while out on a motorcross track a couple of years ago and intended to "bite the bullet" and send it back in to Rolex Service to be fitted with a new bezel and be re-oiled ect... Since I have been recently looking into having this done it has been bittersweet. Apparently the watch turned out to be the "Holy Grail" of watches and nobody wants to help me. I am sick and tired of this watch now. Its all original including the band minus the replaced crystal in 95 (I guess the original crystal is more dome shaped?). It seems to me that the bezel should be a pretty standard bezel put on many other watches/models. And BTW when I say bezel I do realize its a few parts put together. So much hastle over a watch is unbelievable. I'm glad that it has appreciated in value but it has made keeping my Dads watch in good working order by the people that should be the only ones working on it (namely Rolex Service) a nightmare. I also understand that parts aren't made forever and this might be a problem for even Rolex but the watch is still ticking nicely and a bezel should be a common part I would think. The company doesn't want other repair shops to have parts, fine with me (maybe not for many of you). Then let me buy the parts from you (Rolex) and service me then. And if there is a demand for parts for certain models, I am sure Rolex can reproduce a little gear to exact specs. to keep their beautiful watches humming. After all, they are Rolex. As for cases and dials it may be another story. I don't expect them to reproduce the entire watch. Gotta draw the line somewhere I suppose. I had planned on giving the watch to my son after my departure as I received it from my father but now I "almost" want to just get rid of it and buy a new one to give him. It wouldn't be the same though. The watch has a story behind it and that would be lost. I guess I just wanted to share my experience with those who would listen and understand.

Lol-x
17 July 2009, 10:51 AM
Welcome :cheers:

The bezel is relatively easy to find on the secondhand market. SteveMulholland probably has them.

Why don't you post a photo of your watch, so we can see it for ourselves sans bezel.

Good idea to keep it in the family, you can't sell anything on this forum anyway until you properly qualify to do so, and anyone would be ill advised to buy from you under the present circumstances anyway.

TimeToGo
17 July 2009, 10:56 AM
Welcome to the Forum!

That watch wil be worth a lot more when your son grows up and teach him the significance of it! If you can hang on to it for a few more years, you can make more money and help him out with college or who knows!

I am very happy for you!

DadsWatch72
17 July 2009, 11:55 AM
He is in college now and he has been told the storys of the watch and how my father came by it in 1977 when he was empoyed by Ray McDermott Oil Company in the United Arab Emirates (UAE Dubai). And he is seeing how difficult this whole ordeal is turning out to be. I can't guarantee he won't sell it a day after I'm pushin up daisys but I hope if he does sell it he really needs the cash for more than taking a trip to Hawaii. I guess I will tell you guys (and gals) the story. As you know we were in the UAE in 77. My father, mother, sister, and I were in Dubai for about 6 months. Dad was a computer programmer (IMB man) and made a ton of money in a short time since those arabs paid very well. Anyway, the company had a country club known as the "Guest House" and thats where we were most of the time. It had a bar which was the only place to drink in a Muslim country. The Brits, Scotts, and Americans were the majority who used the facility. I was 10 and used the pool everyday. On the weekends it got pretty crazy at times. Throw in Texas oil men, British and French divers, and Scottish to boot and your gonna have some wild times. One weekend 2 texans got into a fight where one bit off the others thumb. I personally saw it bandaged the next day and remember the two of them totally ok with one and other. Crazy. Now my dad was a "man of thirst" to begin with so he got along really well with a British diver named Dennis Berry. One night of drinking Dennis turns to my dad and gives him this watch. My father didn't know what a Rolex watch really was at the time and told him he had nothing to give him in return. Dennis told his to give him is handkerchief and to put his signature on it. And so he did. My mother was sitting with them and I personally think he was trying to impress my mom and probably admired her a bit. Either way he told my dad he had a few of them and to take it. He wore that watch until he died in 93'. My mother offered it to me and told me to "take care of it, its a mans watch". And so I have. I had it serviced in 95' and have worn it as an everyday watch...untill I found out how darn expensive it is a couple of weeks ago. Now it sits in the box that was sent back to me from Dallas service center. I appreciate the advice about the bezel. I still want to try some more official Rolex channels even if its in Canada or Europe. There has to be somebody somewhere with a new one sitting in their inventory. I'm a Laboratory Technician by profession and tenacious when I have a task to perform so I won't give up easily with my search. Moving on.....I tried to take some pictures of the watch for all of you out there but they didn't come out very good. I have a Fuji Film A200 so they aren't like most of the pics I see here. Anyway he it is.

Lowflight
17 July 2009, 12:54 PM
I would send the watch to Dalton Toledo in LA for a case refinish, bezel and insert install (parts form Steve Mulholland) and let him service it. Your investment would be a few hundred dollars for a watch that is worth a fortune. I am so jealous.

Don't let anyone change the Hands,Dial or datewheel.

Lol-x
17 July 2009, 12:56 PM
Thanks for the photographs. It looks like a really nice watch, and from the looks of it with a little effort, would be as good as new.

A very collectable Rolex, and if you have the original documentation so much the better.

There are watchmakers who specialise in servicing and restoring these Vintage Rolex watches. Such names as Bob Ridley and Dalton come to mind.

I don't think too much needs to be done to your watch at all and certainly nothing that would or should motivate you to want to sell it.

It has a folded bracelet, and a solid steel bracelet may be more practical if the watch was to be worn on a day to day basis.

:cheers:

DadsWatch72
17 July 2009, 01:21 PM
I have the paperwork from the Dallas service center. Its a one year warranty with the reference #, serial #, and date of service. And most importantly, my name at the top. :thumbsup: I also have the little factory service booklet and winding instructions sign that looks like a minature "Do Not Disturb" sign. That way my son won't have a problem selling it. :banghead:

DadsWatch72
17 July 2009, 01:25 PM
If you could have Rolex service it instead of those people you mentioned, would you? I mean wouldn't Rolex service be better than taking it to someone else? Also, you mentioned a solid band would be better for regular wear. The original band is in really bad shape but I don't think its available anywhere. I don't think I showed it in the pictures I posted but the band has a hole in a link that was put there by Dennis Berry. He said it was for a Saint Christopher pendant who is the patron of safe travelers I think. For safe diving I guess. Should I have someone repair the band and replace that link? I think a few parts might need replacing on the band. Is it worth keeping or should I just get rid of it and replace it with a solid one like you mentioned.

pz93c
17 July 2009, 02:42 PM
I prefer independant watchmakers.

Rolex wants to control what goes on the watch and will keep old parts, like the old bracelet.

Me? I would replace the bracelet with the solid version and put the original up for posterity. The hole is a part of the watches history. The original has value on it's own.

Maybe write down all you know about the watch and put it with the paperwork and bracelet.

I assume you're going to wear the watch.

onkyo
17 July 2009, 03:11 PM
If you could have Rolex service it instead of those people you mentioned, would you? I mean wouldn't Rolex service be better than taking it to someone else? Also, you mentioned a solid band would be better for regular wear. The original band is in really bad shape but I don't think its available anywhere. I don't think I showed it in the pictures I posted but the band has a hole in a link that was put there by Dennis Berry. He said it was for a Saint Christopher pendant who is the patron of safe travelers I think. For safe diving I guess. Should I have someone repair the band and replace that link? I think a few parts might need replacing on the band. Is it worth keeping or should I just get rid of it and replace it with a solid one like you mentioned.

Rolex USA won't touch that watch... it's too old.

In terms of the band .... it has a 9315 folded link bracelet. You can still find them used in good condition. I would look around for one to keep it vintage correct.

A great watch.

:cheers:

Lowflight
17 July 2009, 06:09 PM
I would not send it to Rolex for risk of them replacing the hands or dial or bracelet and reducing the value by literally thousands of dollars.


I would get Dalton to refinish your current bracelet and then put it aside and get a 93150 from Steve and wear on it. Although it can take it, I would invest the money in making it perfect and keep it as an investment and not a daily wear watch. You can get an Omega or other Rolex for that.

jdc
17 July 2009, 06:55 PM
If it was a new watch I would send it to Rolex however Rolex USA will not service it as it is too old (as others have said). You are flogging a dead horse trying to get a Rolex service. Rolex UK may service it but you run the risk of them changing things you don't want changed which would dramatically alter the value to a collector. You would also have the hassle of sending overseas.

The reason Dalton and Bo Ridley are mentioned throughout this thread is that they will keep the Rolex as close to the original as possible and they are highly recommended here by experts on TRF and with the Rolex vintage community.

I strongly recommend you at least have a chat with them.

Andad
17 July 2009, 11:21 PM
Nice Rolex,

It's been around for a while so a few more months wont harm it. Take your time, make the correct decision about it's future.

DadsWatch72
18 July 2009, 02:48 AM
Yes JDC, I have already been told by Rolex Canada that it might be sticky sending the watch to them but I was thinking I could take it to them in person and bypass the problem with customs. I think they said they are in the Toronto area. And LowFlight, I do like the idea of getting an Omega. I am a "wanna be astronaut and would love to get a watch model that was on the moon. Almost 40 years since we landed there this month. And pz93c, I would like to continue to wear it as I always have but if I can get it serviced considering all the trouble I am running into I will just leave it in a box most of the time unless I am wearing a suit (what lowflight suggested). Keeping it orginal is my goal so maybe I will try to find "an" original band in good condition and have "thee" original band referbished by Dalton Toledo perhaps. Having the watch itself taken care of is my first priority and the band is secondary. If someone does have the bezel then I need to find it before the part becomes so rare it would be a joke to try and find it. When the watch is finally done then I will focus on the band. One of my concerns is something a jeweler told me once. He said that dissimilar metals can cause Galvanic corrosion. If I take the band to someone and they replace links with dissimilar metals from aftermarket bands, how would I know until its too late and it has corroded. Maybe I would never know they aren't original links. I have been reading a posting on this forum about a jubilee band problem that thom had. Again Daltons name popped up so I will probably contact him. I will probably contact Bo Ridley about the case and Steve Mulholland for the bezel itself, if all else fails with Rolex. I still haven't given up on that. I probably shouldn't waste my time but I do have the utmost respect for them. I am a bit concerned they might keeps parts or change out parts that make it vintage. Is my band 904L metal? The new Deep Sea boasts a solid 904L steel band. I am really impressed with that watch. I would love to sit in the dark and gaze at the blue glowing dial. Here are some more pics of the band with the hole. You can also see some bent links.

DadsWatch72
18 July 2009, 06:39 AM
It seems to me that there were other models besides the 1665 that had the same bezel as mine that were made well past the seventys and were a very common bezel for many years. Having said that, it seems like it should be easy to find an interchangeable bezel. The 16800 looks like its the same but it may be 316 steel from what I'm reading. What about the 16610? I know some have the unidirectional bezel and that is not an option. Maybe I am spinning my wheels on this one. The 5513 also looks like it would fit.

kzm40
18 July 2009, 09:52 AM
It seems to me that there were other models besides the 1665 that had the same bezel as mine that were made well past the seventys and were a very common bezel for many years. Having said that, it seems like it should be easy to find an interchangeable bezel. The 16800 looks like its the same but it may be 316 steel from what I'm reading. What about the 16610? I know some have the unidirectional bezel and that is not an option. Maybe I am spinning my wheels on this one. The 5513 also looks like it would fit.

Check on the vintagerolex forum, lots of advise there..

GinGinD
18 July 2009, 01:07 PM
I have a similar situation with my father's watch. It's a 14kt YG DateJust on a presidential band. The band is badly stretched and way too big for me (I'm a woman). I was told the only way to size it to fit would be to cut out links, which I didn't want to do because I plan to pass it on to my nephew someday and he'll need the band bigger.

So I removed the bracelet, had it cleaned and stored, and bought a selection of speed straps in a variety of colors. They can be changed out in seconds. I wasn't happy with the cheap gold tone tang buckles and wanted original Rolex buckles instead. Rolex wouldn't sell them to me. Steve Mulholland helped me out. He got me the buckles at a reasonable price and has been a delight to deal with every step of the way. He has treated my father's watch as if it's as important to him as it is to me.

Before too long I'll send it off for a spa treatment at someone like Dalton or Ridley. There's no way I'll send it to an RSC. Even if they'll agree to service it, it's not worth the risk of them switching out parts. This was my dad's watch and I don't necessarily want it to look new.

I will say, I think you should seriously reconsider selling your father's watch. If you don't want to wear it yourself, have it serviced and put it up for your son. It's an heirloom and heirlooms can't be replaced. Plus, it has a cool story.

Jeannie

stevemulholland3
18 July 2009, 01:12 PM
that bezel is not the common 5513 bezel first off..it is definitely thicker..that is one fine piece of mechanical art you have there..I would give you 5 brand new ones for it right now..lol..
also,I wouldnt worry to much about having that band repaired..they are still plentiful if you ask the right people.
also 904L was not implemented until the model 168000 (note the extra zero,that wasnt by accident) which was around 1988..so anything before that would be crafted of 316..
here are a couple of shots of the kind of bracelet you need and get one in the best condition as possible..its twice as expensive but fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money..lol
by the way,youll want a nice new 93150 bracelet with 580's for your everyday bracelet..but keep the 9315 for the setmaker

migboy
18 July 2009, 08:30 PM
that is a beauty!!! definitely a keeper....

DadsWatch72
19 July 2009, 02:47 AM
"that is one fine piece of mechanical art you have there..I would give you 5 brand new ones for it right now..lol.."

That seems crazy to me Steve, if your serious. I see some fine watches on this forum. My watch is to quote Will Smith "old and busted" and your watches are "the new hotness". To me my watch is a shadow of the new Rolex Deep Sea. Its a better watch all the way around. Goes deeper, stronger, better band, dial actually glows, better movement, new fancy hairspring (I watched the video on Rolex website) and here is the kicker, Rolex will actually service it. I guess a collector is looking at it from a different perspective but I always valued the technical aspects and design of the watch. In my mind its inferior to a new model and thus not worth as much. However, I am starting to feel like I found a copy of the Constitution in the attic. If you were serious, it might be tempting to have a couple of Deep Sea's with the pratty new blue dial. I do appreciate your reply and interest in my problem Steve as I am thankful with all of your replys. To tell you the truth my head is swimming with this darn watch. I think I am going to take some time as directioneng suggested "It's been around for a while so a few more months wont harm it. Take your time, make the correct decision about it's future.".
My Dad is probably looking down laughing his keister off about all of this.:chuckle:

jasper
19 July 2009, 03:06 AM
If it were me (and I realize it isn't) I would call Ridley or Dalton and arrange a sympathetic restoration, including the band. I'd keep the link with the hole in it. Depending on my budget, I'd also buy a nice bracelet from Steve or whomever for occasional wearing as you intend.

As far as being fixated on Rolex servicing the watch....get over it, they won't do it and if they perhaps do agree some guy in the lab will nick the good parts for himself. Don't send it to Rolex. The good restoration guys are at least as good, if not better. Your watch is not that difficult to service I would think, not from a mechanical perspective anyway. I'll note here that my 16750 came back from Bexley running 3 seconds per day fast.

By the way....those old stories from UAE and Dubai were great. Sounds like your parents had some *wild* times.

DadsWatch72
19 July 2009, 06:17 AM
Thanks for the advice and I'm glad you like the history. Do you really think that a repair person would steal parts from my watch at a "Rolex Service Center"? They deal with watches that are worth so much more than mine. Solid gold, diamond bezels, and platinum watches are what they see all the time everyday. Not to mention they probably get paid very well. Why would they jepordize their profession for a couple of old watch hands? I would also think they have video cameras in all areas of the facility to ensure security for the merchandise. I'm more worried about Mr. Joe Blow postman digging into my package before it ever gets to Rolex. I do trust them not to "steal" the parts but I am concerned that they would want to replace them with new parts. Hypothetically speaking, if a RSC somewhere (its looking like it will be in Never Neverland) then i would make it abundantly clear they are not to replace any part (if they have it in stock cough cough) or allowed to keep any original parts if and when they do replace said part. I can only go on their "word" that they would honor my demands but I do trust that "Rolex" would honor any agreements. In regards to their ability to service the watch without a scratch, I have no concerns whatsoever. I do agree with you about "good restoration guys" being "at least as good, if not better." I don't know what it is but they just exude that old world craftsman look and feel. Maybe its the eyepiece they wear. If I remember correctly the Canadian RSC said they deal with an "outside" service center that they refer clients with older Rolex watches to and that some of those guys have worked for Rolex in the past as repairmen, but don't quote me. As far as the band goes...I think this could be one big conspiracy to make Steve the richest man in the world because everyone is telling me to buy one from him. :twit:

Dalton
19 July 2009, 06:32 AM
If Steve can't help PM and me and we can straighten this out. My advice is take a deep breath,and chill out a bit, it's not worth the headache, by giving yourself a headache. No one is gonna steal parts. The parts that are the most important are the dial and hands,the rest is all mechanical parts,and of course the case. I have 3 of these on my bench,and they're all gonna be as good as new. Also the hole can be closed with new 316 steel welds. The bezel is the hardest part to get

DadsWatch72
19 July 2009, 06:51 AM
In thru the nose, out thru the mouth....smelling a flower.....blowing out a candle. Thanks for the reply Dalton. I haven't contacted anyone other than Rolex about getting the part. I really wanted to exhaust all official channels before being forced into "unauthorized" channels. I am learning that there is so much to beware of when it comes to Rolex watches. I liked the watch much better when I thought it was worth $1500. But if I continue to find dead ends then you and Steve will definately be hearing from me. Thanks for your reassurance that this is a solvable situation with a question mark on the bezel being the exception.

jdc
19 July 2009, 07:17 AM
good luck with your Rolex quest

DadsWatch72
19 July 2009, 11:40 AM
Thanks. I just noticed a post from bronco under the new members section that he had his watch, model 1665 serviced just last year by Rolex. They changed the bezel, hands ect. Why did they service him only a year or so ago? What has changed in the last 15 months?

Dalton
19 July 2009, 01:15 PM
you could have a watchmaker put some other hands and maybe dial of lesser value and have it serviced by Rolex. If in case they decide to change things up you still have the og's. Once it's back put the originals back on.

marke
19 July 2009, 08:19 PM
Its a classic and beautiful, watch and you must not sell it. Rolex UK will do a great job of restoring it for you, but may change some parts for you. Dalton will do a superb job on getting the watch back to normal or factory standard for you and I certainly would invest in letting him do that.

with regards to the bezel have a look on vintagefolexforums.com you might be lucky and get one from there or alternatively send SteveMulholland on a mision to get one for you...

but keep the watch no matter what, should you decide to sell it tread carefully and take advice....

DadsWatch72
20 July 2009, 05:03 AM
I recently took the watch to a local jewler and he said he could do the work but he couldn't get a bezel. When he told me that I decided to continue to try Rolex outside of the United States. Maybe I should rethink sending it back to Rolex in the US and do the hand and dial replacement thing, if they will go for it. Thanks Dalton. . The local jewelers name is Chingiz Ragimbekov and he is Russian I think. He works for Van Horne Jewelers. On their website they have a picture of him and a small bio. He helped me to confirm the numbers on the case by taking off the band and writing them down. He also told me that part of the band is cracked. The little tabs on the part with the hole adjustments are cracked. It just keeps getting better and better. Maybe Monday I will hear back from some of those I have contacted about service and parts. And thanks marke, I will check out that web page.

marke
20 July 2009, 05:58 AM
there is a shop in southport in the Uk and the owner is a great guy called mike wood, he has and is a fountain of knowledge, he might be able to help you with your bezel and arrange to send it to you in the states.


his shop is called " the old watch shop"

hope this helps...

I will also PM you a contacts details who is based at rolex geneva, who may be able to help you as well.

DadsWatch72
20 July 2009, 06:33 AM
If my watch was finished and done with all the work it needs, what would be a ballpark figure of its value? Anyone, anyone.....All I know is what I see on ebay and those are suspicious. Plus everyone on here laughs when they talk of people buying off ebay. I have heard some figures but they vary greatly. I'm just very curious and not wanting any offers.

onkyo
20 July 2009, 08:15 AM
If my watch was finished and done with all the work it needs, what would be a ballpark figure of its value? Anyone, anyone.....All I know is what I see on ebay and those are suspicious. Plus everyone on here laughs when they talk of people buying off ebay. I have heard some figures but they vary greatly. I'm just very curious and not wanting any offers.

The prices vary between 20-40k in this market based on condition, originality, and if box +/- original warranty papers.

Do NOT believe some of the prices on eBay.... for example InterWatches is selling one for 180k. :rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :dummy:

:cheers:

DadsWatch72
20 July 2009, 08:29 AM
Thanks. I think I know the one your talking about, but isn't that a Patient Pending model? So the price would double if I had a box to slap the watch into? Thats funny to me. I have a Rolex box but its the one from the service center. I will send the pictures sometime.

DadsWatch72
21 July 2009, 01:04 AM
Here is the box and papers that I was talking about. The booklet has a lot of interesting facts about Rolex watches.

onkyo
22 July 2009, 03:27 AM
Service box is not worth anything.

Service papers is worth some but not a lot.

:cheers:

DadsWatch72
22 July 2009, 10:51 AM
The service papers mean its not fake, thats about it. I guess its worth peace of mind to the person buying it, that it's the real deal. No, it will never be in the original box while I own it. I don't see the need to track one down either. If someone wants a double red that has never been opened then good luck finding that. If someone wants the illusion of an original double red in the original box, well.......thats fine and dandy too but I won't go there. So many watches out there with no paper work at all. I would personally never buy one without paperwork that I could at least reference with the service center. I would also check to see if it had been stolen before I transfered money. I would also send it in for service ASAP. Even with paperwork you can't guarantee someone didn't switch out parts with aftermarket parts or parts of lesser quality but still original. The only safe way to buy one in my book is to literally be in a watch shop where a watch jeweler could inspect it on the spot. Or just buy a new one from the dealer. Then again, you can trust the person your buying from.

Lol-x
22 July 2009, 11:56 AM
What the heck happened with that drill hole through the bracelet :banghead: :chuckle:

Was some one drilling for oil or what :rofl: :rofl:

DadsWatch72
23 July 2009, 12:13 AM
Yes they were. The oil company Mc Dermott. It was a professional divers watch once and he had a Saint Christopher pendant attached thru that hole.

DadsWatch72
23 July 2009, 02:18 AM
I have tried to find out if Dennis Berry is still alive but had no luck. I even wrote Comex a quick email requesting info but nothing so far. I don't know if Comex was the contract company to Mc Dermott that supplyed the divers but there can't be too many companys in the seventy's with the technology to dive deep. I do know he was/is English. From what my mother tells me, he claimed that the watch did go to 2000 ft. She also said she asked him how he dealt with staying down for those lengths of time. His reply was that they used drugs. I found part of an article on diving at those depths which states they used narcotics to counteract the effects of High Pressure Nervour Syndrome. Interesting stuff. Here is the link to part of that article.

http://www.onepetro.org/mslib/servlet/onepetropreview?id=OTC-4085-MS&soc=OTC

DadsWatch72
24 July 2009, 06:26 AM
"that bezel is not the common 5513 bezel first off..it is definitely thicker"

What bezel is it then?

"by the way,youll want a nice new 93150 bracelet with 580's for your everyday bracelet"

What is the difference between the 285's on mine and the 580's and (here is goes) are the 285's still available from Rolex? Is the 93150 904L stainless steel?

DadsWatch72
28 July 2009, 11:06 PM
I know my pictures aren't very good but can anyone tell if this is a Mark 3 dial? The other Sub on here with a very close serial number is thought to be a Mark 3. I looked at the double red website but I just can't tell the difference between them and I don't have the watch right now to compare. Perhaps a trained eye could lend a hand.

Brushpup
29 July 2009, 12:12 AM
My .02 is this. You have gotten heart felt advice from some very knowledgeble guys here. Guys I might add that are very, very passionate about this type of watch. Get the parts from Steve and send it to one of the independents mentioned. You can't go wrong this way IMO. I understand wanting ROLEX to do the work, but I truly believe that would be a mistake. If you must, then send it in with other parts like Dalton mentioned.

Tools
29 July 2009, 01:40 AM
The Rolex Service Center on San Fran will likely service your watch the way you want. Since they are not corporate, they have much more flexibility and all you have to do is talk to them and they will not replace dials or hands..

They probably cannot get you an original bezel, or an original bracelet.. but they can sell to you, and install, a proper service replacement bracelet..

Sometimes it takes a long time to track down and procure those final parts for a vintage watch.... you seem to want it all now...:agree:

Your early Dallas paperwork is valuable... it helps establish provenance, just like paper from San Fran will show that continuation...

Take your time.........do it right..

DadsWatch72
29 July 2009, 03:10 AM
Probably from my previous posts I appeared (and was) a bit frazzled. I am good now. I did the whole breathing "thing" and I am better. Yeah, the bezel is a bit elusive. I don't think even Rolex has the original band to offer. I have sent the watch off for evaluation so I will soon have a better idea what all it needs. I will be buying the 93150 band for sure. Thats going to set me back a good thousand dollars I figure. I have no idea how much the service and parts (depends on where I get the parts) are going to set me back. After I have the entire watch complete, I will look into the original band being evaluated. I am definately taking my time now and in no rush. In the mean time I am having fun learning all about the different Rolex's out there. I wish I had taken better pictures. I think the auto focus prevents me from penetrating through the crystal down to the dial leaving the photo out of focus. Hopefully I can post some nice clear pictures of it restored in the future. I will definately keep you all posted on its progress.

Brushpup
29 July 2009, 06:52 AM
I hope to see the photos as soon as all is done.

DadsWatch72
30 July 2009, 09:43 AM
Well, it should be about a month before you see them. I have given the "ok" to go ahead with the work. I'm happy as a clam (oyster in this "case"). :clap:

DadsWatch72
9 August 2009, 01:48 AM
The bill so far is $1670.

shaggy
9 August 2009, 03:16 AM
who is doing it for you?
good luck and cant wait for pictures

DadsWatch72
9 August 2009, 03:29 AM
I was afraid someone was gonna ask that. I'm not sure if it is a good idea to say and I definately don't want to offend anyone. Everyone has been so good giving advice and now working on the watch. I would have to ask them before I post. If they don't have a problem with it, then I will definately post it. When the watch is done I will ask them.

DadsWatch72
15 August 2009, 03:07 AM
Update, nothing yet. Having trouble sleeping, feeling a bit nauseated, slightly dizzy, and my blood pressure is beyond the depth rating of the watch. Other than that, I'm hangin in there. :rant:

Brushpup
15 August 2009, 04:43 AM
Is that because of the price DW72? Or just the excitement to be getting it back? Please ask the WM and tell us who it is after they are done.

DadsWatch72
15 August 2009, 04:55 AM
Is that because of the price DW72? Or just the excitement to be getting it back? Please ask the WM and tell us who it is after they are done.

I knew the price would be high. I am worried about the pressure testing and the watch being flooded. I am also worried about paint coming off of the dial when its removed from the case. I wonder if anyone had a watch being service where the dial has stuck to the case and pulled off some paint. I am worried about the case refinish. Will my crown guards be polished down to an arrowhead point? Are they going to bevel the edges like that poor chap in the UK? Any number of things can go wrong. Other than that, I don't have a worry. :banghead:

greekbum
15 August 2009, 06:11 AM
You worry to much chill it will be ok.

DadsWatch72
15 August 2009, 06:38 AM
You worry to much chill it will be ok.

Thats easy for you to say. I haven't even told you about how worried I am about the mailman! :thinking:

Saxon007
15 August 2009, 11:24 AM
Thats easy for you to say. I haven't even told you about how worried I am about the mailman! :thinking:


Why? Do your kids look like him? :thinking:



:justkiddi

mailman
15 August 2009, 11:26 AM
Thats easy for you to say. I haven't even told you about how worried I am about the mailman! :thinking:

What the heck did I do now :dummy: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers:

Why? Do your kids look like him? :thinking:



:justkiddi

You can't prove anything. I gotta go BYE :rofl: :bye:

DadsWatch72
15 August 2009, 11:45 AM
Why? Do your kids look like him? :thinking:



:justkiddi

No, thats the milkman. :comeandge

onkyo
15 August 2009, 01:26 PM
What the heck did I do now :dummy: :rofl: :rofl: :cheers:



You can't prove anything. I gotta go BYE :rofl: :bye:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl: :dummy:

Brushpup
15 August 2009, 02:53 PM
I knew the price would be high. I am worried about the pressure testing and the watch being flooded. I am also worried about paint coming off of the dial when its removed from the case. I wonder if anyone had a watch being service where the dial has stuck to the case and pulled off some paint. I am worried about the case refinish. Will my crown guards be polished down to an arrowhead point? Are they going to bevel the edges like that poor chap in the UK? Any number of things can go wrong. Other than that, I don't have a worry. :banghead:

........None of this will be a worry if you sent it to the right place.......

Hopefully you did...and if so, chill man it'll be fine.

shaggy
15 August 2009, 09:49 PM
........None of this will be a worry if you sent it to the right place.......

Hopefully you did...and if so, chill man it'll be fine.
X2 :thumbsup:

im just wondering who it is who has it:thinking:

DadsWatch72
16 August 2009, 10:52 PM
I sent it to this guy.

shaggy
17 August 2009, 03:12 AM
gosh thats old Hans Wilsdorf himself!! good on ya:chuckle:

DadsWatch72
17 August 2009, 04:03 AM
Nothin but the best. Hes a bit slow and he doesn't talk much, but he was able to dive right into the watch. Literally. :agree:

DadsWatch72
18 August 2009, 07:01 AM
Hans is still silent. :crying:

Dalton
18 August 2009, 08:17 AM
The bill so far is $1670.
I can see why you can't sleep. I'd be losing sleep too, but I'm sure the watchmaker is taking really good care of it.

DadsWatch72
18 August 2009, 01:36 PM
I can see why you can't sleep. I'd be losing sleep too, but I'm sure the watchmaker is taking really good care of it.

The biggest chunk of that is the new 93150 bracelet.

Dalton
18 August 2009, 04:45 PM
The biggest chunk of that is the new 93150 bracelet.
that'll do it.

Brushpup
18 August 2009, 10:29 PM
Expensive? Perhaps. But I must say DW72 that in light of what you'll wind up with in the end, this is chicken feed. This is not even mentioning the fact you are getting an heiloom with a helluva history and story to go with it. I can't wait to see the end results.

DadsWatch72
18 August 2009, 10:32 PM
Expensive? Perhaps. But I must say DW72 that in light of what you'll wind up with in the end, this is chicken feed. This is not even mentioning the fact you are getting an heiloom with a helluva history and story to go with it. I can't wait to see the end results.

I can't wait either. I'll take pictures starting with the mailman. I need his mugshot anyway, just in case. :thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
21 August 2009, 04:30 AM
Expensive? Perhaps. But I must say DW72 that in light of what you'll wind up with in the end, this is chicken feed. This is not even mentioning the fact you are getting an heiloom with a helluva history and story to go with it. I can't wait to see the end results.

I'm going to be doing a "chicken dance" if it ever comes back. :rokn::wlae:

DadsWatch72
22 August 2009, 10:28 PM
And everyone said I was paranoid about the mailman! Did you read about that '93' Sub that was stolen from DBS91274? The thread is in the "Watch Out" section of TRF. This is some scary stuff. :wow:

Brushpup
23 August 2009, 12:27 AM
Yeah I read it. Just have em send it registered mail USPS, and then no worries.

DadsWatch72
23 August 2009, 12:34 AM
Yeah I read it. Just have em send it registered mail USPS, and then no worries.

Thats how I sent the watch. I will make sure they do just that.

DadsWatch72
25 August 2009, 12:49 AM
I have been told that the watch has been completed. Now all I have to do is wait for the USPS to feed their pony's and trot it on over.:patriot:

DadsWatch72
26 August 2009, 02:19 AM
I can now tell you that I sent my watch the the New York RSC. They have completed the watch and its now on its way back home. I didn't want to say where I sent it off to until I asked if they had an issue with posting the information online. I know its my decision but I felt obligated because they were so helful and kind to service the watch. I didn't want them receiving phone calls asking why they refused service to others and why they serviced me. They didn't consider my watch vintage because of the history of service and when it was last serviced. My dial and hands are in great condition so this didn't prevent them from servicing. I had no aftermarket parts on the watch. The parts that I needed were available to them. If you have an older watch I suggest you call them and explain the situation to them. There is no guarantee of service and each case is unique. Don't expect service based on the fact that I had mine serviced. They changed the crown, tube, and crystal along with the inital service all for $555. The bezel was $255 and the bracelet was $825. They gave me a trade in price on the bracelet and told me I could keep my old bracelet which was very kind. All my service was done right there in the NYC center and wasn't sent elsewhere.

Davvan
26 August 2009, 02:27 AM
Great news man :thumbsup: Letīs see some pice when you have it.

This is a great place!!!!619 posts later...I guess you have learned alot :cheers:

DadsWatch72
26 August 2009, 02:29 AM
Great news man :thumbsup: Letīs see some pice when you have it.

This is a great place!!!!619 posts later...I guess you have learned alot :cheers:

Man, I had no idea about the world of Rolex before I joined. I had been wearin that watch but didn't have a clue.

DadsWatch72
26 August 2009, 03:02 AM
On an additional note, I asked the supervisor who had been helping with the watch service for her thoughts on how the watch turned out. She said it looks brand new. Awesome, just awesome. :joy:

onkyo
26 August 2009, 03:36 AM
I can now tell you that I sent my watch the the New York RSC. They have completed the watch and its now on its way back home. I didn't want to say where I sent it off to until I asked if they had an issue with posting the information online. I know its my decision but I felt obligated because they were so helful and kind to service the watch. I didn't want them receiving phone calls asking why they refused service to others and why they serviced me. They didn't consider my watch vintage because of the history of service and when it was last serviced. My dial and hands are in great condition so this didn't prevent them from servicing. I had no aftermarket parts on the watch. The parts that I needed were available to them. If you have an older watch I suggest you call them and explain the situation to them. There is no guarantee of service and each case is unique. Don't expect service based on the fact that I had mine serviced. They changed the crown, tube, and crystal along with the inital service all for $555. The bezel was $255 and the bracelet was $825. They gave me a trade in price on the bracelet and told me I could keep my old bracelet which was very kind. All my service was done right there in the NYC center and wasn't sent elsewhere.

First, congratulations on completion of the work.... I can not wait to see the final result!! :clap:

I am really surprised they chose to service your watch in NY. But as you said each case is different and people should not expect them to service other vintage pieces (unfortunately).

Again, I look forward to your pics! :thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
26 August 2009, 04:16 AM
Service Confirmation. Total is $1670 with shipping.

DadsWatch72
26 August 2009, 04:35 AM
First, congratulations on completion of the work.... I can not wait to see the final result!! :clap:

I am really surprised they chose to service your watch in NY. But as you said each case is different and people should not expect them to service other vintage pieces (unfortunately).

Again, I look forward to your pics! :thumbsup:

Thanks onkyo, I feel like a million bucks. And its all thanks to your fellow New Yorkers. :thumbsup:

Brushpup
26 August 2009, 04:45 AM
Congrats, finally a good story out of RSC NY. Can't wait to see it.

jasper
26 August 2009, 04:52 AM
Wow - can't wait for the final reult either. One request though.....when you take the picture use a really good camera and teh best technique you can muster.
Thanks

DadsWatch72
26 August 2009, 11:49 PM
If I post high quality pictures they might be hijacked by someone online and then used to scam people into buying a bogus watch. I have seen this happen with other pictures online. I would hate to think that a picture of my watch was used to scam anyone. Any thoughts?

greekbum
27 August 2009, 12:07 AM
If I post high quality pictures they might be hijacked by someone online and then used to scam people into buying a bogus watch. I have seen this happen with other pictures online. I would hate to think that a picture of my watch was used to scam anyone. Any thoughts?
if your worried write your name across them or use a water mark.

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 12:09 AM
if your worried write your name across them or use a water mark.

Water mark? How? Can you show me an example of a water mark picture?

greekbum
27 August 2009, 12:25 AM
IMHO your to paranoid about it but thats my opinion.If you dont have photoshop or a good program write your name or something on a sheet of paper and cover a portion of the watch when you take a picture.Or even better get a close up of your face and put it in the corner of the pic and write this watch belongs to me dont borrow my pics.I have seen it done before. That way somebody doesnt borrow them and cause you or others any grief.

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 12:35 AM
Quote "get a close up of your face and put it in the corner of the pic".

I don't want to scare anyone, just stop them from stealing the pic.:eek:

I will figure out how to put on a watermark somehow. I am playing around with a picture on MS Word right now.

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 01:06 AM
And I don't think I am being paranoid at all. I am being careful. The internet is a hostile place. If you look on the Watchout section of this forum you will see hijacked pictures all over the place.

greekbum
27 August 2009, 01:16 AM
And I don't think I am being paranoid at all. I am being careful. The internet is a hostile place. If you look on the Watchout section of this forum you will see hijacked pictures all over the place.

While this has happened before this is a watch forum and we share pics,advice,ideas etc if you dont want to post pics this is your choice.If someone is looking for pics to defraud there are millions of them on the net.

jasper
27 August 2009, 01:18 AM
And I don't think I am being paranoid at all. I am being careful. The internet is a hostile place. If you look on the Watchout section of this forum you will see hijacked pictures all over the place.

I can see your point, but any sensible buyer would ask for confirmatory photos of a watch of your calibre before making a purchase.

That said, my first thought also was to pose the watch with, or on, a slip of paper that says "not for sale" or something like that. I'm thinking like a fortune cookie sized chit draped over the bracelet. If you do it on a background then someone can photoshop that out.

I agree don't put your picture on it, I don't want to be scared anymore than you want to scare us:chuckle:

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 01:38 AM
I'll just use a permanant marker and write it on the crystal. NOT FOR SALE. :read:

Davvan
27 August 2009, 02:57 AM
This forum contains zillions of pics already if the scammers want to snatch them.

Well...get on with it already and post the picīs will ya :chuckle:


I wanna see that watch of yours.....been waiting for a long time now :banghead:

Otherwise Iīm falling azzzzzzzzzzleep

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 04:44 AM
I don't have it yet. Geez. I think some of you are MORE eagar to see it than me. I haven't seen any like mine on here. A few are close but nothing in the same year. I have read that this watch was only produced between 71'-73'. Mines a 72'. I really don't know about all the difference and so forth. And yes there are a lot of pics on here but not many models are copied/forged/faked more often than my model. I guess thats one reason why so many are interested in seeing it. The difference between mine and many photos of this model is.......mine's the real deal, the genuine article, actual, authentic, bona fide, honest, legitimate, natural, on the level, original, pure, real, sound, sterling, the real McCoy, true, unadulterated, unalloyed, veritable.:read:

Beaumont Miller II
27 August 2009, 06:25 AM
This forum contains zillions of pics already if the scammers want to snatch them.

Well...get on with it already and post the picīs will ya :chuckle:


I wanna see that watch of yours.....been waiting for a long time now :banghead:

Otherwise Iīm falling azzzzzzzzzzleep
Finally someone said it.

Omega_Precision
27 August 2009, 07:28 AM
Very nice watch and it has sentimental value as well.

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 12:07 PM
Everyone TOLD me to take my time.

theloxmyth
27 August 2009, 12:43 PM
Everyone TOLD me to take my time.
Take your time, but hurry up! :agree:

Been following this since you first posted. :thumbsup:

I'm here for pics, too! :clap:

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 04:07 PM
Hopefully nobody will be disappointed with the pictures. I will do my best to make sure they are top noch.

Lowflight
27 August 2009, 10:28 PM
If I post high quality pictures they might be hijacked by someone online and then used to scam people into buying a bogus watch. I have seen this happen with other pictures online. I would hate to think that a picture of my watch was used to scam anyone. Any thoughts?


My thoughts....your paranoia is something to behold

Post the pics for chissakes :argh:

DadsWatch72
27 August 2009, 11:34 PM
I forgot to tell you a part of this saga. I couldn't tell you about this when it happened or it would have tipped you off to where I sent the watch but now its ok to explain. When I first started the process of having the watch serviced, I took the watch to my local AD. They said that RUSA would NOT do the service. I left Images Jewelers in Elkhart Indiana with my head hung low. I went home and made some calls to New York. There I spoke with the service department and they told me the same thing. I asked to talk with a supervisor and was connected with Joanne Russo. She informed me that there are many reasons that could prevent my watch from being service due to its age. I informed her that I trusted RUSA completely and informed them that my watch was in good condition and that I believed it would meet their criteria. She agreed to allow me to send it in for evaluation. Initally she wanted me to send the watch to NYC RSC myself but I informed her that I didn't feel comfortable with this and would rather the AD send it to them. I then went back to Elkhart AD and informed them that RUSA agreed to look at the watch and asked them if they could now send it to them. The manager didn't believe me. I told him who I spoke with and he actually called to speak with her. Upon his return, he informed me that he would NOT send the watch to them even though they agreed to accept the watch. I asked for a reason and his answer was, and I quote, "There isn't anything in it for me". He went on to say that the risk was too high and there was nothing in it for him. He also said that he liked to "oversee" the service completely and that since I had arranged this with NYC that he wasn't comfortable with helping any longer. I then informed him that I would have loved if he had called NYC and been more persistant for me and that he had the chance to "oversee" the service the FIRST time I was there. At this point he stops and looks at the two other men (younger men) working the showcase and says "Do you think I am doing the right thing here?" I am totally amazed he would ask them this in front of a customer. As if they were going to say anything but "Oh yes um boss". Of course they agreed with their manager. I was in shock and just stood there for a second to think. I then told the manager that I understood he had made up his mind not to help and then left. Thats when I called Joanne back and explained the situation. She informed me that he had the right not to help and it was his decision. I couldn't believe this. They are an authorized Rolex dealer and I expect the service, especially if RUSA agreed to recieve the watch. I would think they are bound by contract to certain service standards. Anyway, you know the rest of the story. RUSA sent me instructions and package material and I shipped the watch Registered mail. While the watch was gone, I made a trip to the next closest AD in Vaparaiso Indiana. The visit was like night and day compared with the visit in Elkhart. The owner of the store/AD personally helped me and was amazed when I told him of the Elkhart store. My entire visit in his store was top noch. I will definately be going back there to Valparaiso AD for any future service issues and/or purchases. I will never go back to Image Jewelers AD in Elkhart Indiana again.

Brushpup
27 August 2009, 11:35 PM
Take your time, but hurry up! :agree:

Been following this since you first posted. :thumbsup:

I'm here for pics, too! :clap:

I second this!! X2 indeed.

Hey DW72, didn't ya know that the Pony Express isn't the fastest anymore???



:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

Brushpup
27 August 2009, 11:44 PM
I forgot to tell you a part of this saga. I couldn't tell you about this when it happened or it would have tipped you off to where I sent the watch but now its ok to explain. When I first started the process of having the watch serviced, I took the watch to my local AD. They said that RUSA would NOT do the service. I left Images Jewelers in Elkhart Indiana with my head hung low. I went home and made some calls to New York. There I spoke with the service department and they told me the same thing. I asked to talk with a supervisor and was connected with Joanne Russo. She informed me that there are many reasons that could prevent my watch from being service due to its age. I informed her that I trusted RUSA completely and informed them that my watch was in good condition and that I believed it would meet their criteria. She agreed to allow me to send it in for evaluation. Initally she wanted me to send the watch to NYC RSC myself but I informed her that I didn't feel comfortable with this and would rather the AD send it to them. I then went back to Elkhart AD and informed them that RUSA agreed to look at the watch and asked them if they could now send it to them. The manager didn't believe me. I told him who I spoke with and he actually called to speak with her. Upon his return, he informed me that he would NOT send the watch to them even though they agreed to accept the watch. I asked for a reason and his answer was, and I quote, "There isn't anything in it for me". He went on to say that the risk was too high and there was nothing in it for him. He also said that he liked to "oversee" the service completely and that since I had arranged this with NYC that he wasn't comfortable with helping any longer. I then informed him that I would have loved if he had called NYC and been more persistant for me and that he had the chance to "oversee" the service the FIRST time I was there. At this point he stops and looks at the two other men (younger men) working the showcase and says "Do you think I am doing the right thing here?" I am in totally amazed he would ask them this in front of a customer. As if they were going to say anything but "Oh yes um boss". Of course they agreed with their manager. I was in shock and just stood there for a second to think. I then told the manager that I understood he had made up his mind not to help and then left. Thats when I called Joanne back and explained the situation. She informed me that he had the right not to help and it was his decision. I couldn't believe this. They are an authorized Rolex dealer and I expect the service, especially if RUSA agreed to recieve the watch. I would think they are bound by contract to certain service standards. Anyway, you know the rest of the story. RUSA sent me instructions and package material and I shipped the watch Registered mail. While the watch was gone, I made a trip to the next closest AD in Vaparaiso Indiana. The visit was like night and day compared with the visit in Elkhart. The owner of the store/AD personally helped me and was amazed when I told him of the Elkhart store. My entire visit in his store was top noch. I will definately be going back there to Valparaiso AD for any future service issues and/or purchases. I will never go back to Image Jewelers AD in Elkhart Indiana again.

I agree the AD had no obligation to send the watch in, but his attitude and people skills seem to be lacking. I wouldn't go back either.

Questions DW,

Why was it so important for you to have it go to RUSA versus one of the respected restorers like Bob Ridley? Not judging, just curious.

Will we have to wait on you to get the pictures developed at Walgreens>??? :dummy::dummy::dummy:



P:thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 12:07 AM
Your question......"Why was it so important for you to have it go to RUSA versus one of the respected restorers like Bob Ridley? Not judging, just curious."

Bobs work is amazing. I see his pictures and wouldn't hesitate to send him my DRSD. If you remember or want to look back in my posts, I did say that I wanted to exhaust all official channels first. Its a personal preference to have it serviced in an official RSC. I take my car to the dealership to have it serviced also. Some do, some don't. A lot of good mechanics at lower prices at other shops but I prefer someone that works on my Make/Model often. I also know that if I need a part, the dealership is going to have all of those "dealer only" parts right there at their disposal. I was missing a bezel and many jewelers told me that was the part they may have trouble obtaining. This wasn't a problem for RSC. If I wasn't able to have Rolex service me then I would have sent it to those mentioned on this forum. :thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 12:14 AM
I also thought it may help increase the value of the watch if I could have it serviced by RSC. Not sure if all would agree on that one.

Brushpup
28 August 2009, 12:22 AM
Your question......"Why was it so important for you to have it go to RUSA versus one of the respected restorers like Bob Ridley? Not judging, just curious."

Bobs work is amazing. I see his pictures and wouldn't hesitate to send him my DRSD. If you remember or want to look back in my posts, I did say that I wanted to exhaust all official channels first. Its a personal preference to have it serviced in an official RSC. I take my car to the dealership to have it serviced also. Some do, some don't. A lot of good mechanics at lower prices at other shops but I prefer someone that works on my Make/Model often. I also know that if I need a part, the dealership is going to have all of those "dealer only" parts right there at their disposal. I was missing a bezel and many jewelers told me that was the part they may have trouble obtaining. This wasn't a problem for RSC. If I wasn't able to have Rolex service me then I would have sent it to those mentioned on this forum. :thumbsup:

Perfectly reasonable and logical to me.

As for my Jokes............nuthin?? (was just busting your stones)

Crickets chirping?????

cricket........cricket......cricket........

greekbum
28 August 2009, 12:30 AM
Upon his return, he informed me that he would NOT send the watch to them even though they agreed to accept the watch. I asked for a reason and his answer was, and I quote, "There isn't anything in it for me". He went on to say that the risk was too high and there was nothing in it for him. He also said that he liked to "oversee" the service completely and that since I had arranged this with NYC that he wasn't comfortable with helping any longer.

I am happy there is a happy ending for you.You did the right thing and were persistent and got RSCNY to service your watch. Did you have a long relationship with this AD? If not I agree 100% with your AD's reason for not sending it to RSCNY.He gave you a very valid reason the risk is very high for him and he probably stands to make nothing.Worst a big headache.Some customers can be a big headache and he made a call on you.He probably sensed you were very passionate of that watch and didnt want to take the risk of something going wrong that isnt in his control.He sounds like he has experienced this and been down this road before.You did the right thing and went straight to the source.Now lets see the watch!:thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 12:30 AM
Perfectly reasonable and logical to me.

As for my Jokes............nuthin?? (was just busting your stones)

Crickets chirping?????

cricket........cricket......cricket........

:rofl:Not Walgreens. I'm thinking of taking the watch to Glamour Shots though.

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 12:37 AM
I am happy there is a happy ending for you.You did the right thing and were persistent and got RSCNY to service your watch. Did you have a long relationship with this AD? If not I agree 100% with your AD's reason for not sending it to RSCNY.He gave you a very valid reason the risk is very high for him and he probably stands to make nothing.Worst a big headache.Some customers can be a big headache and he made a call on you.He probably sensed you were very passionate of that watch and didnt want to take the risk of something going wrong that isnt in his control.He sounds like he has experienced this and been down this road before.You did the right thing and went straight to the source.Now lets see the watch!:thumbsup:

My thoughts are as follows. I am standing in a fine jewelery store with loads of rings, necklaces, and other very expensive items. Although my watch is expensive, its no more expensive than some of those hugh diamonds in those cases or a shipment of multiple items he sends/receives all the time. He is an authorized dealer and "should" be required to provide service to Rolex customers or he shouldn't be licensed and allowed to advertise as an AD. Thats how I feel. And once the watch is in his hands, he can make sure nothing goes wrong. He is insured and it would be covered if anything went wrong.

greekbum
28 August 2009, 12:49 AM
He is an authorized dealer and "should" be required to provide service to Rolex customers I agree 100%
He made a business decision I am sure on this occasion. He called RSCNY and they told him they wouldnt service it.His obligation is over there he was told its not servicable by them. You called RSCNY and they told you the same.Then you went further and spoke with a supervisor and got them to do it. I congratulate you on this move.Now lets stop the whining and see the watch :dummy::thumbsup::bye:

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 12:59 AM
I agree 100%
He made a business decision I am sure on this occasion. He called RSCNY and they told him they wouldnt service it.His obligation is over there he was told its not servicable by them. You called RSCNY and they told you the same.Then you went further and spoke with a supervisor and got them to do it. I congratulate you on this move.Now lets stop the whining and see the watch :dummy::thumbsup::bye:

Umm, lets see. Its not on my desk yet.......or in the mailbox. Where in the heck is it? Oh yeah.....ITS NOT HERE YET!!!!!!!:crying:

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 01:04 AM
BTW, that AD in Valparaiso went into the back and showed me a very nice RED sub that he bought back from a customer. The sub came from a customer wanting to trade for something else. The owner asked him where he bought it and he said "you sold it to me, don't you remember?" He said he gave him a good price for it. Yes, I did say RED sub. It looked mint to me. :thumbsup:

Saxon007
28 August 2009, 08:07 AM
http://theinspiredhillbilly.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/bear-picnic.jpg

Davvan
28 August 2009, 05:29 PM
I know Iīm being an :bartmoon:....but we need pics now 4 the love of god :chuckle:


Iīm harassing you until we do :chuckle:

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm278/davvan75/medium.jpg

Have a great week end

David

DadsWatch72
28 August 2009, 07:59 PM
Registered mail takes forever and I don't have a tracking number this time. I did when I sent it but not coming back.

mickyvee
28 August 2009, 08:28 PM
:dummy:This saga is biblical in it's epicness!!!!!!!

CGC_Consultant
29 August 2009, 12:48 AM
Someone told me that Elvis has it.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 01:06 AM
:lol:Elvis. I have a question. I am getting a new 93150 bracelet with the 580 end links. I have read that some have hollow end links and some have solid. What do you think that mine will have and should I have requested a specific end link?

Elvis died while we were in the Dubai U.A.E. back in 77'. This is when my father received the watch.

Beaumont Miller II
29 August 2009, 01:10 AM
:dummy:This saga is biblical in it's epicness!!!!!!!

Speaking of biblical. I hope we get to see some pics before we get to the last chapter of the New Testament.:agree:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 01:11 AM
I hope we get to see some pics before we get to the last chapter of the New Testament.:agree:

I actually laughed out loud on that one. :rofl:

greekbum
29 August 2009, 01:11 AM
:lol:Elvis. I have a question. I am getting a new 93150 bracelet with the 580 end links. I have read that some have hollow end links and some have solid. What do you think that mine will have and should I have requested a specific end link?

There is no solid end link bracelet that has the numbers 93150 on it.Or a solid end link bracelet that fits your watch that comes from ROLEX.
Stop worrying it will be ok................:justkiddi:thumbsup::banghead:
I just noticed the thread is Nightmare..........:rofl:.........:thinking:...... Relax it will be OK:smokin:

Now more important where is this watch and those pics?:wlae:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 01:24 AM
Quote from Tools in a thread: "The Sub Date comes with a newer non-hole case, solid end-link bracelet and an improved divers extension with a couple of extra links that hook inside the clasp.. For that, you pay a thousand bucks more.."

I figured the sub had the 93150 bracelet. I am not worried about the bracelet, just curious.

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 01:31 AM
Now more important where is this watch and those pics?:wlae:

One of the Ponies must have broken a leg along the trail.

greekbum
29 August 2009, 01:33 AM
One of the Ponies must have broken a leg along the trail.
I think they sent it Pigeon Express.......:rofl:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 01:33 AM
I'm tellin ya, I checked everyday online with the tracking number when I shipped it. It took almost a week for Registered Mail to get the watch there. The time they tell you isn't correct. They don't fly with the Registered packages I was told. Each one goes ground and has to be passed off to another person who signs for it. This takes time. Patience everybody, patience. Maybe you can go back to page 1 and 2 to look at the watch while you wait. :thinking:

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 01:34 AM
I think they sent it Pigeon Express.......:rofl:

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

And they forgot..............they were supposed to use Homing Pigeons!!

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

greekbum
29 August 2009, 01:37 AM
I am sure you drive and look for the mailman early in the morning and say hey is it in your car today?..........:rofl:
Ive done it. Its to the point now where they come early if they got a package for me cause they know I will drive around and find them.:dummy:

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 01:39 AM
I'm tellin ya, I checked everyday online with the tracking number when I shipped it. It took almost a week for Registered Mail to get the watch there. The time they tell you isn't correct. They don't fly with the Registered packages I was told. Each one goes ground and has to be passed off to another person who signs for it. This takes time. Patience everybody, patience. Maybe you can go back to page 1 and 2 to look at the watch while you wait. :thinking:

Ahhh no wonder....all true, very secure with registered.

Pony Express woulda' been faster. :lol::lol::lol:

:justkiddi :bye:

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 01:40 AM
I am sure you drive and look for the mailman early in the morning and say hey is it in your car today?..........:rofl:
Ive done it. Its to the point now where they come early if they got a package for me cause they know I will drive around and find them.:dummy:

Freakin hilarious, cause this could be me too!! I actually laughed hard when I read this.

Classic man, classic!!! :cheers:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 01:51 AM
Guess what, while I was responding to this thread our secretary came to the door. The mailman let her sign for it and not me. Unbelievable. Anyway, I have the package.

greekbum
29 August 2009, 01:54 AM
guess what, while i was responding to this thread our secretary came to the door. The mailman let her sign for it and not me. Unbelievable. Anyone, i have the package.
omg its here............You got a secretary? Shaweeettttttt!!!!!!!!!:dummy:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 02:02 AM
She isn't mine, its a family business. Maybe I should wait until a certain time and then unveil it for everyone. Maybe tomorrow at 9:00AM sharp? :thinking:

mgm
29 August 2009, 02:12 AM
:dummy:This saga is biblical in it's epicness!!!!!!!

No, because the Bible predicts an end to the nonesense, whereas... :dummy::dummy::dummy::rofl::bartmoon:

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 02:15 AM
No, because the Bible predicts an end to the nonesense, whereas... :dummy::dummy::dummy::rofl::bartmoon:

Best line in the whole damn thread so far!!!!!!!!!!!!! BRAVO

WHACK>>>>>>>>>>> Out of the park............gone! :clap::clap::clap::clap:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 02:26 AM
Ok, I need to get some good pictures of this watch. All I have is an A200 fuji film. I'm gonna go borrow by step brothers camera. Its nice. If I can't get some good photos then I am seriously going to a studio and asking a professional to take a few good shots of it. I don't want to post bad pictures. I will never hear the end of it.

Black Bay Dan
29 August 2009, 02:34 AM
Blimey - this is more drawn out than bumping uglies with Sting!

Dan

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 03:08 AM
Small problem. The old band was not packaged with the watch. Joanne is not there today and I won't be able to get to the bottom of it until Monday. Not too worried about it, unless it went into a shredder or something. Here is an inital picture to make you happy.

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 03:09 AM
...........and so it goes.............................................. .......................................

greekbum
29 August 2009, 03:13 AM
They dont give you back your old bracelet or parts.Thats why when you want a new bracelet you send the watch in with the worst 1 you can find and keep the original.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 03:23 AM
I called them back and made sure they still have the band. They said that they do have it and the band will not be sent to Geneva as do all old parts. At least I know they have it until I talk with Joanne Monday. I'm not worried about getting it back as Joanne's word is gold.

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 03:29 AM
Small problem. The old band was not packaged with the watch. Joanne is not there today and I won't be able to get to the bottom of it until Monday. Not too worried about it, unless it went into a shredder or something. Here is an inital picture to make you happy.

Finally. Alright man!!!! Can't wait to see some more pics and thanks for putting up this one. You have a name or just DW72?

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 05:29 AM
I am at a professional studio as I write this. I am using a computer with a huge monitor used to preview the pictures. I was showing the photographer some of the pictures the forum to give her an idea of some shots. I will be posting some good photos soon.

theloxmyth
29 August 2009, 05:43 AM
Buy a new model Sony or whatever. (Mine is an old DSC-T50 and it works well!)

That way you'll be able to post pictures for wrist-checks! :thumbsup:

http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo82/theloxmyth/Rolex%20Forum/DSC04286.jpg

Whoops! Its in the truck! :banghead:

Davvan
29 August 2009, 05:59 AM
Finaly a pic...and.....naaa..donīt like it:thumbsdow

Just kidding....looks awesome man...:clap: canīt wait to see some clos ups
Letīs end this saga withe multiple pics please.

Enjou your new fantastic piece of Rolex history :dude:

David

Saxon007
29 August 2009, 07:02 AM
I'm surprised they would give you the original band back. :thinking:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 08:28 AM
Here is one I really like.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 08:38 AM
Another

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 08:41 AM
Pictures pictures

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 08:43 AM
pic

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 08:47 AM
Ahhhhhhhhh

Very Nice Dads.......... You should be on cloud nine all weekend long!!

GLad it worked out for you, and sure hope you get back your bracelet.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 08:51 AM
pic

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 08:52 AM
Now tell me what dial this is. Is it a Mark 3?

RLX-lvr
29 August 2009, 09:03 AM
Wow DW, that dial is just perfect. And really white as well.

But you have to get a tropic #39 original superdome to show off all of it's beauty properly.

Here is an example of some borrowed pictures.

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii286/RLX-lvr/73152df3.jpg

http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii286/RLX-lvr/d262ed56.jpg

I think Steve Muholland3 has some.
And please, don't get me wrong. Your watch is absolutely wicked the way it is.:dude:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 09:17 AM
Thanks, I kinda like it. I like the superdome but some have told me they fail in pressure testing a high percent of the time. If I was going to try and make it EXACTLY vintage then I would put the 9315 band back on with a superdome. This is good though. I like yours and it looks awsome too, but I'm not to sure about the Nato. :thinking:

RLX-lvr
29 August 2009, 09:18 AM
Hell, while your at it, you might as well pick up a faded fat font bezel for it too. :rofl::dummy:
http://i267.photobucket.com/albums/ii286/RLX-lvr/fd28e7d2.jpg

Sorry mine is not for sale.:thumbsdow Hell I don't even own a 1665 yet, but when I do find a great white look out. :dude:

By the way. RUSA NY did a fantastic job. :clap:

Just like it came from the dealers showcase. :clap:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 09:22 AM
another pic

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 09:30 AM
Dial

ob1
29 August 2009, 09:34 AM
Thats the cats whiskers Dad! :thumbsup: well worth the wait. wear that beauty in good health buddy :cheers:
Mark

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 09:37 AM
Pic

onkyo
29 August 2009, 09:47 AM
Its looks FANTASTIC!!!!

Well worth the wait and I am very impressed with Rolex NY's work (despite not sending you your original band).

Enjoy that beauty...... I forgot are you selling or keeping it?

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 10:01 AM
Its looks FANTASTIC!!!!

Well worth the wait and I am very impressed with Rolex NY's work (despite not sending you your original band).

Enjoy that beauty...... I forgot are you selling or keeping it?

I plan on keeping it. But if someone offered me a crazy amount, and I mean crazy :dummy: then I might consider selling.

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 10:09 AM
I plan on keeping it. But if someone offered me a crazy amount, and I mean crazy :dummy: then I might consider selling.

OK, I'll offer you 2000.00 USD for it. Is that crazy enough? Have we a deal?

Let me know ASAP before I change my mind................

:dummy:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 10:15 AM
OK, I'll offer you 2000.00 USD for it. Is that crazy enough? Have we a deal?

Let me know ASAP before I change my mind................

:dummy:

Well, its crazy alright. I will give you another close up to re-think it.

achova
29 August 2009, 10:21 AM
OK, I'll offer you 2000.00 USD for it. Is that crazy enough? Have we a deal?

Let me know ASAP before I change my mind................

:dummy:

I can do better. How about $1950 - personal check from my brother-in-law okay?

http://adamsgarage.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=33265&g2_serialNumber=4.jpg
NOT MINE

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 10:22 AM
I can do better. How about $1950 - personal check from my brother-in-law okay?

Endorsed twice?

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 10:25 AM
That picture where its "glowing red" came out awsome. I had these pictures done at one of those studios that you take your kids and they stick a stuffed animal in their hands. They said that they had never done anything but people before. I have a bunch of pictures on a CD from them but I only bought so many that I have the copy rights to. I can always go back and buy more if I want.

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 10:42 AM
That picture where its "glowing red" came out awsome. I had these pictures done at one of those studios that you take your kids and they stick a stuffed animal in their hands. They said that they had never done anything but people before. I have a bunch of pictures on a CD from them but I only bought so many that I have the copy rights to. I can always go back and buy more if I want.\

I wonder how nutz they thought you were. :dummy:

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 10:43 AM
Well, its crazy alright. I will give you another close up to re-think it.

Youre right, I offered too much. I am a man of my word however and will honor it. :rofl:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 10:47 AM
\

I wonder how nutz they thought you were. :dummy:

The girl helping me told me to come back and say hello anytime I want.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 10:49 AM
great watch!! very jealous....anybody have a guess as to it's market value?

I am very interested in that myself. I don't know where you could get a watch like this anywhere. I have looked online and most of the ones I find are either in poor condition or fakes. I just don't know. I took the watch over to a jewelery store that is close to the photography studio while I was waiting on the photos to download and be printed. They thought it was new. When I told them that it was a 72' they were amazed. They didn't know what a Double Red was.

Skullring
29 August 2009, 10:56 AM
Beautiful. Enjoy it.

onkyo
29 August 2009, 11:08 AM
I am very interested in that myself. I don't know where you could get a watch like this anywhere. I have looked online and most of the ones I find are either in poor condition or fakes. I just don't know. I took the watch over to a jewelery store that is close to the photography studio while I was waiting on the photos to download and be printed. They thought it was new. When I told them that it was a 72' they were amazed. They didn't know what a Double Red was.

A very nice double red recently sold for 23k on VRF (no b/p and with 2 engravings :banghead:). One offered for 28k did not sell (no b/p).

Lowflight
29 August 2009, 11:13 AM
'bout time....well worth the wait!!!

Looks Great :thumbsup:

Brushpup
29 August 2009, 11:17 AM
The girl helping me told me to come back and say hello anytime I want.

I bet that she got to hear the whole story eh? :dummy:

But seriously man. I am proud of your watch, for you, happy about the outcome, and as envious as anyone here. It's been a lot of fun busting your chops and you've been a great sport about it.

Now, lets see if they send that bracelet back....:bye::bye:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:29 AM
Fake ocean

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:32 AM
Rose Pedals

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:33 AM
A day at the ballpark.

onkyo
29 August 2009, 11:42 AM
Very nice pics!

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:45 AM
Louver lighting.

greekbum
29 August 2009, 02:46 PM
Finally!! It came out great enjoy it and wear it with pride its a nice watch:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:02 PM
I would like to say thank you to everyone that has followed this thread and helped with their advice. Its been a long road but I am completely happy with the end result. I hope all of you weren't disappointed by the photos. I stopped the hands to make sure they didn't cover any of the text on the dial. You were all so patient (cough). :cheers: There is one question about the watch that I am surprised nobody has asked. Its not shown on any photos because its hard to capture the text but it has an engraving with his signature on the back that has worn over the years. It was engraved with one of those engraving pens by the original owner. The engraving wasn't like a "Comex" engraving as those are machined and deep. If Rolex service center had polished the back on mine it would probably have been taken off completely. I think they did polish it lightly even though it was not indicated on the service papers. If you look carefully you can see the text.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:08 PM
Close up with bezel included.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:22 PM
Extreme closeup of text.

DadsWatch72
29 August 2009, 11:28 PM
Helium Valve

SLS
30 August 2009, 12:33 AM
Looks great! What a beauty, enjoy it!
Scott

mike
30 August 2009, 12:39 AM
Stunning.:clap::clap:

Paulie
30 August 2009, 08:59 AM
Awesome!

Lowflight
30 August 2009, 09:19 AM
Looks Great.

If it were mine, I would sell it and buy a regular white 1665 and a car...but that is just me. I never understood the double or triple in price for red letters on an otherwise identical watch.

greekbum
30 August 2009, 09:32 AM
Looks Great.

If it were mine, I would sell it and buy a regular white 1665 and a car...but that is just me. I never understood the double or triple in price for red letters on an otherwise identical watch.

Harold,
I sold my DRSD box papers whole package for 45k in 2006 and never looked back. I bought it for $1500 in 1994 and that was allot than.I loved the watch but I figured I could by 10-20 nice watches and thats what I did.I agree on your advise but to each his own.

T5AUS
30 August 2009, 02:21 PM
Great story DW, what a long winded saga it has been, very entertaining, almost as good as a Monty Python skit. I was sure you were gona say at the end of it all "sorry guys, there's no watch, just having a bit of fun with you all :rofl: ( I guess you could still say that now :chuckle:)
But boy, it was worth the high drama and suspense cause that is one hell of a watch you have there, a classic beauty, good luck to you :cheers:

Beaumont Miller II
30 August 2009, 02:30 PM
I will chime in because I didn't see your question answered earlier. It is a Mk III dial... and it looks perfect. I have a Mk IV dial DRSD. The easy way to tell is the size of the print and the way the L sits under the coronet. I am sure by now you looked at the Doubleredseadweller.com website. Your watch is beautiful. As to value, what you have to remember is, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. The ones you see that are scratched up are only a polish away from looking shiny and new. Its only by looking at the size/width of the lugs and crown guards that you can tell the condition of the case. Values for these watches have dropped considerably this last year. I hope you will not have the urge to sell it until the market improves as it is an heirloom. Congratulations you have what many people consider a grail watch and would rightfully be the centerpiece of a Rolex collection.

The GMT Kid
30 August 2009, 07:36 PM
That watch looks incredible!

It looks brand new. I don't know what to say. Given the value, I hope you have the courage to fully enjoy it. As much as it deserves to be in a museum where the whole world can enjoy it, it should be on your arm.

You deserve it. Congratulations. :joy:

DadsWatch72
30 August 2009, 09:32 PM
Great story DW, what a long winded saga it has been, very entertaining, almost as good as a Monty Python skit. I was sure you were gona say at the end of it all "sorry guys, there's no watch, just having a bit of fun with you all :rofl: ( I guess you could still say that now :chuckle:)
But boy, it was worth the high drama and suspense cause that is one hell of a watch you have there, a classic beauty, good luck to you :cheers:

I think I would have been hunted down and shot. But that would have been the ultimate joke. :rofl: As of now, the watch is unsized and unworn. It will probably stay in its box since I don't plan on wearing it any longer. I will buy a Sub for an everyday watch. Here is one more picture.

Brushpup
30 August 2009, 10:16 PM
I think I would have been hunted down and shot. But that would have been the ultimate joke. :rofl: As of now, the watch is unsized and unworn. It will probably stay in its box since I don't plan on wearing it any longer. I will buy a Sub for an everyday watch. Here is one more picture.

So what will be it's fate then? I guess you will pass down to a Son or Daughter? If you buy a Sub from an AD, you should at least wear it to go watch shopping in. I couldn't resist wearing it once in a while, but I understand wanting to preserve it.

DadsWatch72
30 August 2009, 10:25 PM
I wonder what my father would say about the watch if he were still alive. Probably....."Give it back". :agree: :justkiddi He would probably tell me to wear it or he might say something like "Everything that you own, owns you".

therolexguy
31 August 2009, 02:00 AM
Ok. Please screw in the crown. I know you're taking pictures but I'm worried about it! That is A W E S O M E! :worship:
BTW, I've been to that AD in Elkhart and that's not typical behavior for them. They're actually very friendly and family owned. But I understand your opinion, I just wanted to give fair balance. CONGRATS! :cheers:

DadsWatch72
31 August 2009, 02:33 AM
The Elkhart store was put to the test when there wasn't "a buck" to be made. They showed me their true colors that day. They are a "fair weathered friend". Only there when things are going smooth and the sun is shining. I expect more from an AD. But if they are selling and your buying, I'm sure they love ya.

shaggy
31 August 2009, 10:39 PM
so
are you going to sell and buy more new rolex's?
or even put the cash into something else?
at the begining you thought this watch was not worth much and was a headache to you i just wonder how you feel about it now?
cheers for the beautiful pictures:thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
31 August 2009, 11:36 PM
I will chime in because I didn't see your question answered earlier. It is a Mk III dial... and it looks perfect. I have a Mk IV dial DRSD. The easy way to tell is the size of the print and the way the L sits under the coronet. I am sure by now you looked at the Doubleredseadweller.com website. Your watch is beautiful. As to value, what you have to remember is, it is only worth what someone is willing to pay. The ones you see that are scratched up are only a polish away from looking shiny and new. Its only by looking at the size/width of the lugs and crown guards that you can tell the condition of the case. Values for these watches have dropped considerably this last year. I hope you will not have the urge to sell it until the market improves as it is an heirloom. Congratulations you have what many people consider a grail watch and would rightfully be the centerpiece of a Rolex collection.

Thanks for checking into the dial for me. Your the only one that answered the question. I actually asked the question pages ago but nobody responded. Then I asked again recently. The probably couldn't tell from my poor pictures and thats why it wasn't answered the first time I asked. I did go to the website but until I got the watch back and had some close up pictures, I couldn't tell. I went back to the website and compared the dials. I wasn't looking at the L under the coronet, I was looking at the position of the D in Dweller and how its positioned over the first R in Submariner. With the mark 2, the position of the D is pretty far to the right of being over the Sub R. Actually, the D is more over the I in SubmarIner. In the mark 3, the position of the D is not so far to the right but still not directly over the R. With the mark 4, the D is pretty much right over top of the R with the "spine" of the letters aligning. And the mark 5, the D is now to the left over the R. That only leaves the very obvious dials. Mark 6 is Sea Dweller only and mark 7 is just so unique it needs no mention. There are also some unique letters on my dial. The crown has something unique and common with other mark 3's. I'm not talking about the bottom of the crown and if its flat or not. Look at the top of the crown. Can you spot it? If you look really close at the mark 3 on the DRSD website and toggle back to my close up picture of my dial you might spot it.

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 12:12 AM
Ok, I will just post it. The crown has a little blank spot on the second spike from the left. Double Red website has a close up picture of the text but not the crown. If you look closely though, you can see a little blank spot on their Mark 3 dial also.

onkyo
1 September 2009, 12:51 AM
Ok, I will just post it. The crown has a little blank spot on the second spike from the left. Double Red website has a close up picture of the text but not the crown. If you look closely though, you can see a little blank spot on their Mark 3 dial also.

Here is a picture of my Mark 3 DRSD ..... hard to tell in the pic if there is that blank spot on the second spike. Maybe your eyes are better than mine. I will take a closer look when I get home from work.

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/plvovsky/Picture331.jpg

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 01:25 AM
I don't see it. Maybe its the angle or maybe its not there. Humm :thinking: I see some difference of the crown of them all. Those letters and figures are small small small. It looks like the text didn't become close to perfect and uniform until the Mark 7's.

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 02:13 AM
I have a very good question. I have the watch in the box that I received from the service center. Do you think that leaving the watch on the round foam thing inside of the band could cause it to strech the band over time?

Davvan
1 September 2009, 02:53 AM
Which is harder.... plastic foam or Rolex Stainless steel........Iīd say no damage what so ever....not even after a zillion years!!!!

Now enjoy that beautiful watch of yours, it can take almost everthing you throw at it........stop beeing a wuz :chuckle:


Cheers

David

achova
1 September 2009, 03:11 AM
Here is a picture of my Mark 3 DRSD ..... hard to tell in the pic if there is that blank spot on the second spike. Maybe your eyes are better than mine. I will take a closer look when I get home from work.

http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/pp42/plvovsky/Picture331.jpg




Here is a close-up of the DRSD I'm considering. I consider it a Mark III dial and it also does not have the thin spoke noted by DW and the DRSD site.


http://adamsgarage.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.DownloadItem&g2_itemId=33268&g2_serialNumber=4

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 03:43 AM
Which is harder.... plastic foam or Rolex Stainless steel........Iīd say no damage what so ever....not even after a zillion years!!!!

Now enjoy that beautiful watch of yours, it can take almost everthing you throw at it........stop beeing a wuz :chuckle:


Cheers

David

How do they get stretched? I don't understand. I thought it was tension over time. Maybe its actual wear on the metal. :thinking:

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 03:52 AM
I would like to see that watch without the hands in the way. Seems to me that if someone had a Double Red (like me for example) they would want to show off the lettering and not cover it up with the hands in their picture. The number 2 in white 2000 looks fishy to me.

Davvan
1 September 2009, 05:48 AM
How do they get stretched? I don't understand. I thought it was tension over time. Maybe its actual wear on the metal. :thinking:


Iīd say a combination...but not from a non moving foam pillow. Wear on metal is the quite common on older bracelet types. Hersīs a pic of my 93150 bracelet from 1991. You can clearly see that metal against metal will eventually take small chunks of the bracelet links...look at the corners.

http://i298.photobucket.com/albums/mm278/davvan75/Rolex93150_58014.jpg

greekbum
1 September 2009, 05:52 AM
I have a bracelet on my 1983 Rolex GMT 16750 that has very minimal stretch and I wore it every day.I think it has to do with how loose somebody wears it more than tension.I bought a 1999 Submariner off of this really heavy set man that wore it very loose and it was all stretched out.In less than 9 years.Whipped would be a better word.

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 06:57 AM
I wonder if some oil would help with the wear? Perhaps some high speed bearing oil. Bones Speed Cream maybe, or do they use some sort of lubricant when they install the bracelet from the factory/service center?

Bones Speed Cream™ is a high temperature, low viscosity synthetic skate lubricant specially formulated by Bones to reduce friction, and provide a durable micro film of lubricant to protect against corrosion. We have found this lubricant to be superior to Teflon® based lubricants in skate environments. Speed Cream™ makes your bearings faster and is very long lasting.

shaggy
1 September 2009, 07:51 AM
look at this it explains stretch
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=89630&highlight=stretch

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 08:50 AM
look at this it explains stretch
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=89630&highlight=stretch

I re-read the thread a bit closer this time. I understand the link wear. I was a bit foggy on the pins ect.. Nobody mentioned preventing the wear other than washing the bracelet really well. I guess oil might be a bad idea since it would trap more dirt and speed up the wear process. Ok, no worrys. I will keep it on the foam circle holder. Thx for the link.:thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
1 September 2009, 08:58 AM
look at this it explains stretch
http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=89630&highlight=stretch

I re-read the thread a bit closer this time. I understand the link wear. I was a bit foggy on the pins ect.. Nobody mentioned preventing the wear other than washing the bracelet really well. I guess oil might be a bad idea since it would trap more dirt and speed up the wear process. Ok, no worrys. I will keep it on the foam circle holder. Thx for the link.:thumbsup:


Duplicate post, please delete.

DadsWatch72
2 September 2009, 03:41 AM
Extreme close up.

mgm
2 September 2009, 04:47 AM
I would like to see that watch without the hands in the way. Seems to me that if someone had a Double Red (like me for example) they would want to show off the lettering and not cover it up with the hands...

Good idea, that. Removing the hands is an even better solution.

DadsWatch72
2 September 2009, 07:06 AM
Good idea, that. Removing the hands is an even better solution.

I don't know how. :thumbsdow I know how to wind it, thats about it.

DadsWatch72
3 September 2009, 06:00 AM
I just received a call from Joanne at Rolex. She said that the original bracelet will be sent to me. She didn't remember that we spoke about it being sent back initally but she did remember the bracelet in our conversation since it has the hole in the link so she said that we must have discussed it. She also said it took a while to locate the bracelet in the building since it was "in watch heaven". I laughed. :rofl: I was starting to think that there was a misunderstanding about the cost of the bracelet and me wanting to keep the old band. IF she had said it wasn't in our agreed price, I would have said no problem. She has been an angel. I'm glad this ended on a good note.

mkolesa
3 September 2009, 06:27 AM
I have a bracelet on my 1983 Rolex GMT 16750 that has very minimal stretch and I wore it every day.I think it has to do with how loose somebody wears it more than tension.I bought a 1999 Submariner off of this really heavy set man that wore it very loose and it was all stretched out.In less than 9 years.Whipped would be a better word.

i kinda think the same, that if the bracelet is so loose that the watch drops down onto the wrist every time you move your hand, the bracelet is being stretched... so for me, i keep the bracelet adjusted so the watch sits on the other side of the wrist bone. it's kinda like wearing a tie though, it's a feeling you have to get used to. just my 2Ē

DadsWatch72
3 September 2009, 07:01 AM
i kinda think the same, that if the bracelet is so loose that the watch drops down onto the wrist every time you move your hand, the bracelet is being stretched... so for me, i keep the bracelet adjusted so the watch sits on the other side of the wrist bone. it's kinda like wearing a tie though, it's a feeling you have to get used to. just my 2¢

I wear mine high also. This way your hand doesn't bend the band when you bend at the wrist. It also keeps the band from moving around like a "bracelet". It also keeps the watch dry when you wash your hands.

mgm
3 September 2009, 09:40 AM
I don't know how. :thumbsdow I know how to wind it, thats about it.

I was just being foolish. Don't remove the hands. :dummy::dummy::rofl::rofl:

achova
3 September 2009, 09:53 AM
I would like to see that watch without the hands in the way. Seems to me that if someone had a Double Red (like me for example) they would want to show off the lettering and not cover it up with the hands in their picture. The number 2 in white 2000 looks fishy to me.

The DRSD photographed is in daily-wear with the present owner. We got together last week and I had my macro lens so I figured I'd take a couple shots. Not my place to change the hand-position. Some folks use their watches to tell time...

DadsWatch72
3 September 2009, 10:10 AM
The DRSD photographed is in daily-wear with the present owner. We got together last week and I had my macro lens so I figured I'd take a couple shots. Not my place to change the hand-position. Some folks use their watches to tell time...

I didn't realize that you took the pictures. I figured it was some obscure internet photo. Personally, I would have asked to change the time so I can see the text. You did say "Here is a close-up of the DRSD I'm considering". When there is a large purchase that I am considering and a huge sum of money on the line, I'm not going to be shy about any concerns I have. I don't think changing the time is unreasonable and shouldn't be an issue. If it became an issue then there is your first red flag. If this was just a casual meeting with a fellow collector then I would agree it wasn't your place to change the hand-position. So what did you decide about the watch after seeing it in person? Will it be your next purchase?

achova
4 September 2009, 04:34 AM
I didn't realize that you took the pictures. I figured it was some obscure internet photo. Personally, I would have asked to change the time so I can see the text. You did say "Here is a close-up of the DRSD I'm considering". When there is a large purchase that I am considering and a huge sum of money on the line, I'm not going to be shy about any concerns I have. I don't think changing the time is unreasonable and shouldn't be an issue. If it became an issue then there is your first red flag. If this was just a casual meeting with a fellow collector then I would agree it wasn't your place to change the hand-position. So what did you decide about the watch after seeing it in person? Will it be your next purchase?

It's the same 1665 which I've shared photos of earlier. I have an standing offer in - my '88 Porsche 911 and some $$ and however were have a difference of about $4k. His price is heading up while my interest is waning - probably more funds than I should allocate to one piece. Definitely will not be my next purchase.

DadsWatch72
4 September 2009, 04:49 AM
It's the same 1665 which I've shared photos of earlier. I have an standing offer in - my '88 Porsche 911 and some $$ and however were have a difference of about $4k. His price is heading up while my interest is waning - probably more funds than I should allocate to one piece. Definitely will not be my next purchase.


I am no expert on these watches. I probably shouldn't comment on my opinion of it being genuine or not. One reason I posted the picture is for others to be able to compare so they don't get "burned". I will leave my 2 cents out of it from now on, and let those on the forum with much more experience raise flags if need be. Good luck and happy hunting in the future.

jasper
6 September 2009, 03:08 AM
I am no expert on these watches. I probably shouldn't comment on my opinion of it being genuine or not. One reason I posted the picture is for others to be able to compare so they don't get "burned". I will leave my 2 cents out of it from now on, and let those on the forum with much more experience raise flags if need be. Good luck and happy hunting in the future.

I think the DRSD site has a dial cataloging project going on. Yours would be a good one to add to this.

DadsWatch72
7 September 2009, 08:28 AM
I think the DRSD site has a dial cataloging project going on. Yours would be a good one to add to this.

Its cataloged here. :agree:

A couple of days ago I received by bracelet back from the RSC. I am thinking about doing a few things now that I have it back. I can't post a picture right now because I can't log onto Rolexforum.com on my home computer where all my pictures are located. When I am able, I will post some pictures of the bracelet and the huge FedEx box they sent it in. Here are my options so far.

1. Buy another old 9315 and combine them to make one good bracelet.
2. Selling it for parts or as someones project.
3. Having it serviced for myself. (not sure it can be done)
4. Buying a Tudor 9315 and placing all the Rolex links (divers extension) on it.
5. Just keep it as is for a setmaker and provenance.
6. Trade for another used 9315 in better condition plus some cash.
Any thoughts?

Davvan
7 September 2009, 09:15 PM
I vote for # 5

onkyo
8 September 2009, 02:24 AM
I vote for # 5

x2.... it's not worth much so I would keep it and go find another one in better condition.

DadsWatch72
8 September 2009, 09:36 AM
You wouldn't trade it?

Beaumont Miller II
8 September 2009, 09:41 AM
Follow option 5. Buy a used 93150 to wear the watch on.:thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
8 September 2009, 09:57 AM
Follow option 5. Buy a used 93150 to wear the watch on.:thumbsup:

I don't plan on wearing the watch. I like it just the way it is. Nice and shiny. No scratches or scuffs. I haven't even unfolded the bracelet. Tape is still on it. I just can't. What I really want is a 100% 10/10 9315/285 to put back on the watch. Then leave it in the box. Then I might buy another watch from someone here. Maybe a watch with a nato or that doesn't have a bracelet. That way I can put the new 93150 on it. What do you think?

DadsWatch72
8 September 2009, 12:23 PM
I'll go with #5. Well my "Nighmare" has turned into a distant memory thanks to this forum and all of your help. Thank you everyone for everything.

Thread Closed

DadsWatch72
8 October 2009, 12:51 AM
I noticed another thing my dial has in common with the dial on the Double Red website. The "T" in superlative has a unique spot in the middle of the letter. Their picture is closer but you can still see the spot clearly on both mine and theirs.

Dalton
8 October 2009, 01:41 AM
That's one good looking watch. Congrats!

DadsWatch72
8 October 2009, 02:20 AM
That's one good looking watch. Congrats!

Thanks Dalton. That means a lot coming from someone that actually works on watches. :cheers:

shaggy
8 October 2009, 03:41 AM
get the strap on and get it on your wrist mate:clap:
it would be a shame for this "nightmare" to live forever in its box and im sure your dad would have liked you to enjoy wearing it
good luck whatever you do:thumbsup:

DadsWatch72
8 October 2009, 03:53 AM
get the strap on and get it on your wrist mate:clap:
it would be a shame for this "nightmare" to live forever in its box and im sure your dad would have liked you to enjoy wearing it
good luck whatever you do:thumbsup:

It calls to me. I want to wear it! I miss wearing it. I have been thinking of selling it though. If I keep it in the condition it came back from the service center then it will be more desireable so I don't wear it. When I make up my mind to either keep it, or sell it.....then I will do one or the other. Some have said they sold theirs and never looked back. I just don't know if I would regret it or not. For now I like having something so unique. I can say...."I have a Double Red". Thats pretty cool to me. If I sell it, I know I will never be able to own another.

DadsWatch72
5 November 2009, 04:14 AM
I'm going to visit my watch today. I will try and post some pictures from the bank.

Athonatron
5 November 2009, 12:58 PM
I think I would have been hunted down and shot. But that would have been the ultimate joke. :rofl: As of now, the watch is unsized and unworn. It will probably stay in its box since I don't plan on wearing it any longer. I will buy a Sub for an everyday watch. Here is one more picture.

Did you already scratch the band? I see a mark there.

Also, please don't say this watch is in a safety deposit box?:thumbsdow

DadsWatch72
5 November 2009, 01:06 PM
Did you already scratch the band? I see a mark there.

Also, please don't say this watch is in a safety deposit box?:thumbsdow

In what picture? I have never worn the band, its brand spankin new.

DadsWatch72
3 December 2009, 11:54 AM
I found a DRSD with the same "blank spot" on the Rolex coronet (metioned on page 11 of this thread). Its a Mark III also, serial #3543141. My serial # is 3551XXX. Their DRSD has a bevel on the case that mine doesn't have. I'm not sure if it came this way from Rolex and I thought it was original to Submariners only. :thinking:

BTW, I received a call from RUSA tonight at about 7:15pm. They said that my request for a copy of the service agreement/work order from 1995 took some time to find but they would send a copy or type something up for me. It should include all the work that was done in the 95' service. It should be here next week she said. :thumbsup:

Speed Metal Army
3 December 2009, 03:10 PM
Wow...Crazy nice watch.

DadsWatch72
4 December 2009, 09:31 AM
Wow...Crazy nice watch.

Thanks Speed. :cheers:

chriseskew24
4 December 2009, 09:45 AM
Please wear that watch in memory of your Father.. I dont care what it is worth monatarly the memories are priceless.. As you see if you wear it and ding it up , it can be brought back to life..

DadsWatch72
5 December 2009, 03:59 AM
I think that I am the first person to ever discover the "blank spot". I thought it was possibly a piece of paint that flaked off of my crown for a while. Now I know its a printing anomaly. I was just reading an article about the Mark II dial being called a "smudge dial". Maybe we can call my Mark III a "blank spot dial"? :thinking: Or maybe the "Broken Crown" dial?

CaveDiver
16 December 2009, 03:03 PM
wow, nice watch. $825 for new bracelet? I see asking price this much and more for used. Will they sell one without a trade like yours? Did you have any problems with them finding a history of service from 1995? I called and asked about my sub service in 1995 and they acted like nothing existed. However, all I had was a card.

BTW, did you change the bracelet in those last set of photos?

DadsWatch72
16 December 2009, 04:50 PM
wow, nice watch. $825 for new bracelet? I see asking price this much and more for used. Will they sell one without a trade like yours? Did you have any problems with them finding a history of service from 1995? I called and asked about my sub service in 1995 and they acted like nothing existed. However, all I had was a card.

BTW, did you change the bracelet in those last set of photos?

Thanks Cave. The pictures above in the last set are not all of my watch. #1, #3, and #5 are pictures of another watch that I was comparing to my watch. If I had not sent in my bracelet, I guess that they would still have sold one to me. I didn't want to send it in without the bracelet. I think it would have seemed as if I were trying to hide something so I sent it in.

I have had problems with them finding information on an old service depending on who I spoke with at RUSA. I still have the warranty card but its in the bank and I don't remember the job number without it. They told me that they have problems printing information that old since the computer system that they use has changed. I am still waiting for some information regarding my service in 95 and expect it soon in the mail. I was told the information will be typed by hand. :thumbsup:

JimSnyder
16 December 2009, 08:49 PM
It calls to me. I want to wear it! I miss wearing it. I have been thinking of selling it though. If I keep it in the condition it came back from the service center then it will be more desireable so I don't wear it. When I make up my mind to either keep it, or sell it.....then I will do one or the other. Some have said they sold theirs and never looked back. I just don't know if I would regret it or not. For now I like having something so unique. I can say...."I have a Double Red". Thats pretty cool to me. If I sell it, I know I will never be able to own another. You have a once in a lifetime watch and it was your fathers. You only live once. How many can say my watch was a DRSD. Wear it and enjoy it. It is special :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :cheers:

CaveDiver
16 December 2009, 11:36 PM
thanks Dad's

I called both Dallas and NY Rolex Service. The ladies that answered the phone sounded like they were reading from a teleprompter. I gave them the SN and they put me on hold for 5 sec and nope.. nothing.. Kinda disturbing to me. I got the feeling they were not looking in the right place. Dallas said their records only went back around 10 years.. They said to try NY since it was serviced there and I pretty much got the same response. How are you having so much success? If I remember correctly you got yours serviced at Dallas RSC?? They are local to me and I asked if I could come down and buy a bracelet. I got the same response we most likely can not service your watch as it is to old and no parts and we will not mix parts.. uggg..I just want to buy a new bracelet.. How did you have so much success with them?
Does your service card from 1995 look like this one? I think part of my problem is there is no Job Number on the card. They asked for that.. I seriously doubt my dad sent it to NY, but the place in Daytona may have punted and sent it to them. The card is all I have.

Scroll down through the first set of photos.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost.php?p=1491816&postcount=1

Thanks

DadsWatch72
17 December 2009, 07:57 AM
thanks Dad's

I called both Dallas and NY Rolex Service. The ladies that answered the phone sounded like they were reading from a teleprompter. I gave them the SN and they put me on hold for 5 sec and nope.. nothing.. Kinda disturbing to me. I got the feeling they were not looking in the right place. Dallas said their records only went back around 10 years.. They said to try NY since it was serviced there and I pretty much got the same response. How are you having so much success? If I remember correctly you got yours serviced at Dallas RSC?? They are local to me and I asked if I could come down and buy a bracelet. I got the same response we most likely can not service your watch as it is to old and no parts and we will not mix parts.. uggg..I just want to buy a new bracelet.. How did you have so much success with them?
Does your service card from 1995 look like this one? I think part of my problem is there is no Job Number on the card. They asked for that.. I seriously doubt my dad sent it to NY, but the place in Daytona may have punted and sent it to them. The card is all I have.

Scroll down through the first set of photos.
http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost.php?p=1491816&postcount=1

Thanks



My service card from Dallas doesn't look the same as yours and mine has the Reference/Job Number printed on the card with my serial number. Its very important to have that number. I have talked with several people about this service information and if it could be sent to me. I had given the information to NYC at the beginning of my recent service. They remembered me and the watch when the information request was forwarded from Dallas to them. Only then was it located again and I was told it might take some time but it would be sent to me. Without the reference number, you might have a problem since the computer system is different now. Good luck.