Explorer II (16570) text on dial variations

[pingflood]

Hello!

I spotted a 16570 for sale and thought something didn't sit quite right with the dial so asked the seller about it. Apparently the dial was swapped by an AD during service (from black to white). But the text alignment doesn't look like a regular 16570 dial, at least the ones I've seen. The "II" on the second row seems to extend to the left of the D in "DATE". I have no reason to believe the seller is being dishonest in any way but was curious as to this -- did certain years or certain servicedials have a slightly different text alignment?

I have pics but unfortunately am not allowed to post them or links due to being a new user. But the left "I" in "II" is entirely to the left of the "D" above. If anyone PMs me I can maybe send the link in a PM.

[madsitalia]

Originally Posted by pingflood

Hello!

I spotted a 16570 for sale and thought something didn't sit quite right with the dial so asked the seller about it. Apparently the dial was swapped by an AD during service (from black to white). But the text alignment doesn't look like a regular 16570 dial, at least the ones I've seen. The "II" on the second row seems to extend to the left of the D in "DATE". I have no reason to believe the seller is being dishonest in any way but was curious as to this -- did certain years or certain servicedials have a slightly different text alignment?

I have pics but unfortunately am not allowed to post them or links due to being a new user. But the left "I" in "II" is entirely to the left of the "D" above. If anyone PMs me I can maybe send the link in a PM.

Try to compare with photos from google or instagram.

[pingflood]

Originally Posted by madsitalia

Try to compare with photos from google or instagram.

I have and I can't find another one that looks the same. They all have the II a fair bit further to the right.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by pingflood

Hello!

I spotted a 16570 for sale and thought something didn't sit quite right with the dial so asked the seller about it. Apparently the dial was swapped by an AD during service (from black to white). But the text alignment doesn't look like a regular 16570 dial, at least the ones I've seen. The "II" on the second row seems to extend to the left of the D in "DATE". I have no reason to believe the seller is being dishonest in any way but was curious as to this -- did certain years or certain servicedials have a slightly different text alignment?

I have pics but unfortunately am not allowed to post them or links due to being a new user. But the left "I" in "II" is entirely to the left of the "D" above. If anyone PMs me I can maybe send the link in a PM.

Anyone can post a picture just click on advanced box scroll down additional options, click manage attachments, choose file to upload, as long as picture is forum size and file type allowed just upload it its not rocket science.Regarding different fonts on dial,well in the real world dials are made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex.So over the past 50 odd years there have been, and always will be tiny variations in fonts spacing etc on most all dials.

[madsitalia]

Originally Posted by padi56

Anyone can post a picture just click on advanced box scroll down additional options, click manage attachments, choose file to upload, as long as picture is forum size and file type allowed just upload it its not rocket science.Regarding different fonts on dial,well in the real world dials are made in 3 different factories now all owned by Rolex.So over the past 50 odd years there have been, and always will be tiny variations in fonts spacing etc on most all dials.

Actually think you need to reach ten posts first.

[madsitalia]

Originally Posted by pingflood

I have and I can't find another one that looks the same. They all have the II a fair bit further to the right.

I'm not sure about the different variations, but it seems odd.
Are there any papers of the service history since the seller knows?
Is it a private seller, watchmaker reselling or AD?

Here's a little about dials on 16570
https://www.fratellowatches.com/buyi...orer_ii_16570/

[pingflood]

OK, I got the same error trying to attach files but it might've been that I was quoting a message that had a link in it... trying again!

edit: private seller but claims to have servicepapers from AD

[padi56]

Originally Posted by madsitalia

Actually think you need to reach ten posts first.

Not true.

[madsitalia]

Originally Posted by padi56

Not true.

Great. Then up with the pictures

[pingflood]

Originally Posted by madsitalia

Great. Then up with the pictures

They're up!

I tried doing the attachment but was quoting the other poster and then the forum blocked it because he has a link in his signature....but now it works.

[77T]

I'm sorry to say you are right - the dial has anomalies that indicate a reprinted dial. But the buyer should also open it up with a watchmaker's help to check the movement too.


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[rmagoo57]

Looks funky. The bottom left of the A should be right between the "sticks" (II). I would pass. The market is flooded with these right now so why not wait for a better example.

[pingflood]

Originally Posted by 77T

I'm sorry to say you are right - the dial has anomalies that indicate a reprinted dial. But the buyer should also open it up with a watchmaker's help to check the movement too.


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Yeah, it just seemed a bit off. And now that I look closer at it, the "O" in both "OYSTER" and "EXPLORER" seems less rounded than on other dials. More square-ish somehow.

[madsitalia]

Originally Posted by rmagoo57

Looks funky. The bottom left of the A should be right between the "sticks" (II). I would pass. The market is flooded with these right now so why not wait for a better example.

What rmagoo57 says. Wait for a better one :-)

[0nly5iv3Digits]

Fake dial imo brother; seller should know better!

[cdmorenot]

Looks off. Here is mine.

[Xyza0722]

Here’s my F series for comparison(the first one)…and its all original
Also an Z series also all original

Different fonts as is the norm with Rolex

Also different sized borders on the hour markers. The F series being thinner borders