Advice on 15510 Steel or 15510 Gold

[johnsonsxusfrt]

Originally Posted by Gandor

If you have the money I really like the gold royal oaks, you can add a bracelet for like $35k so about a 15k premium to get the watch converted to a gold bracelet version vs just getting it in gold. I've heard the full gold ones direct are much more rare though.

Leather vs steel bracelet I'd just go with the full steel 15510.

Is this true? My AP Sales rep told me if I bought a gold RO on strap they could get the full gold bracelet conversion for just a couple of $K over the equivalent full gold piece.

[Commandopat]

Originally Posted by Ascot

I collected my 15510 Steel Blue Dial today and whilst at the boutique I saw a couple of Rose Gold pieces - they look absolutely stunning. I know not many people like it, but I loved the full Rose Gold (with bracelet) 15510 in black dial.

Maybe next year...

Not a 15510 but you’re right, the pink gold is stunning.


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[Vivalas]

Originally Posted by Ascot

Finally, got a message from the boutique 10 days back saying they have a Blue dial RO 15510 for me. Tomorrow is the collection.....
Thanks for all your messages and advice.

Big congrats, blue 15510 is a stunning watch

Originally Posted by Commandopat

Not a 15510 but you’re right, the pink gold is stunning.
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I certainly wouldn’t kick either of these bad boys out of bed - stunners

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Commandopat

Not a 15510 but you’re right, the pink gold is stunning.


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Looking great Pat

[GW44]

Sad to see a UK AP Boutique customer flipping his (or her) 15510 Blue dial 50th Anniversary on the Watch Collecting site today;

https://www.watchcollecting.com/for-...fmc_id=6172428

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by GW44

Sad to see a UK AP Boutique customer flipping his (or her) 15510 Blue dial 50th Anniversary on the Watch Collecting site today;

https://www.watchcollecting.com/for-...fmc_id=6172428

How much did it sell for Gareth?


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[Gent675]

Originally Posted by GW44

Sad to see a UK AP Boutique customer flipping his (or her) 15510 Blue dial 50th Anniversary on the Watch Collecting site today;

https://www.watchcollecting.com/for-...fmc_id=6172428

If it decidedly a "flip" if he’s had it for likely nearly a year or more?

[GW44]

Originally Posted by AshAP

How much did it sell for Gareth?


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Unsure Ash. It says “provisionally sold” but no hammer price shown yet….

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Gent675

If it decidedly a "flip" if he’s had it for likely nearly a year or more?

The timing is, with respect, irrelevant. You’re either a committed consumer of the brand or you’re a market player…

[Commandopat]

Originally Posted by GW44

The timing is, with respect, irrelevant. You’re either a committed consumer of the brand or you’re a market player…

Or option 3, someone who enjoyed a watch and moved on.

[usmc_k9_vet]

Originally Posted by GW44

The timing is, with respect, irrelevant. You’re either a committed consumer of the brand or you’re a market player…

So if he’d held it two years.. still a flipper? How about five? Ten?


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[l_chissle]

Originally Posted by usmc_k9_vet

So if he’d held it two years.. still a flipper? How about five? Ten?


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I think 2 is too soon, 5 is more than enough. Somewhere in between feels right + a conversation with the SA. This is how I understand the rules to be. Not my rules, just an interpretation

[Gent675]

Originally Posted by GW44

The timing is, with respect, irrelevant. You’re either a committed consumer of the brand or you’re a market player…

God you AP fanboys remind me of Bitcoin maxis.

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Commandopat

Or option 3, someone who enjoyed a watch and moved on.

Yes, that's true Pat.

Plus its someone who now knows (or will do soon.....) that they're blacklisted by AP.

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Gent675

God you AP fanboys remind me of Bitcoin maxis.

Ok, thanks for the insight

[GW44]

Originally Posted by l_chissle

I think 2 is too soon, 5 is more than enough. Somewhere in between feels right + a conversation with the SA. This is how I understand the rules to be. Not my rules, just an interpretation

That's exactly my understanding for AP here in the UK Chris

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by GW44

Yes, that's true Pat.

Plus its someone who now knows (or will do soon.....) that they're blacklisted by AP.

Defo, the SA that sold me my 15510 is really lovely and when I bought mine I was informed that each team member had only 1 blue dial anniversary 15510 to allocate. My point with asking how much the auctioned watch sold for was to gauge the value that particular client placed on his relationship with the SA knowing that short of another quartz crisis AP won’t be taking his calls.


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[Gent675]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Defo, the SA that sold me my 15510 is really lovely and when I bought mine I was informed that each team member had only 1 blue dial anniversary 15510 to allocate. My point with asking how much the auctioned watch sold for was to gauge the value that particular client placed on his relationship with the SA knowing that short of another quartz crisis AP won’t be taking his calls.


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Maybe it came from Harrods or Sloan st

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Gent675

Maybe it came from Harrods or Sloan st

Perhaps but I don’t see how that would change being blacklisted?


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[Gent675]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Perhaps but I don’t see how that would change being blacklisted?


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Sorry, was about to respond to that point. How are we to know that they didn’t have the conversation with their SA, and perhaps got authorization to sell, and that’s why they did so via such a public route as opposed to trying to do a "safe sale" privately. I don’t know but it’s just funny to me how uptight some of the AP Defenders here are, and quick to make conclusions about another collector. « If you sell an AP in < 5 years you are not a committed client.» « Anyone whose tastes can change within that time period must be a market player.» Look I get it when we see freshly dated pieces hit the market, but let’s chill a bit and give some benefit of doubt to other collectors who we don’t know their circumstances. Maybe it’s just me but it comes off toxic and I don’t get the same feeling from the Rolex or Patek boards.

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by Gent675

Sorry, was about to respond to that point. How are we to know that they didn’t have the conversation with their SA, and perhaps got authorization to sell, and that’s why they did so via such a public route as opposed to trying to do a "safe sale" privately. I don’t know but it’s just funny to me how uptight some of the AP Defenders here are, and quick to make conclusions about another collector. « If you sell an AP in < 5 years you are not a committed client. » « Anyone whose tastes can change within that time period must be a market player. » Look I get it when we see freshly dated pieces hit the market, but let’s chill a bit and give some benefit of doubt to other collectors who we don’t know their circumstances. Maybe it’s just me but it comes off toxic and I don’t get the same feeling from the Rolex or Patek boards.

There’s basically an unwritten rule that you don’t sell your AP, Patek, Rolex within 2 year’s minimum, some people say the timeframe is longer than that and they could be correct. The point is that people get allocated these watches, particularly anniversary pieces, based on past purchases or basically people begged for the watch. To the argument that people’s tastes have changed I guess it’s very easy to say that when Chrono 24 says that your watch is worth 2/2.5 or even 3 times what you paid for it.


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[GW44]

Originally Posted by AshAP

Defo, the SA that sold me my 15510 is really lovely and when I bought mine I was informed that each team member had only 1 blue dial anniversary 15510 to allocate. My point with asking how much the auctioned watch sold for was to gauge the value that particular client placed on his relationship with the SA knowing that short of another quartz crisis AP won’t be taking his calls.


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Yes, that was my understanding too for the Anniversary 15510’s allocations too Ash. I’m not sure that Blue dial 15510st did sell as it’s not showing in the sold archive.

But it was at £32,000 with an hour to go in the auction which is about £10k above the 2022 MSRP….but I guess the seller had set a higher reserve in this case. But AP aren’t silly and with a bit of detective work will probably know who the customer is……or was (past tense being operative now!!)

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Gent675

Maybe it came from Harrods or Sloan st

All product for the Uk market passes through AP House so they have visibility on all Harrods and Sloane Street allocations and customers too.

[Gent675]

Originally Posted by GW44

Yes, that was my understanding too for the Anniversary 15510’s allocations too Ash. I’m not sure that Blue dial 15510st did sell as it’s not showing in the sold archive.

But it was at £32,000 with an hour to go in the auction which is about £10k above the 2022 MSRP….but I guess the seller had set a higher reserve in this case. But AP aren’t silly and with a bit of detective work will probably know who the customer is……or was (past tense being operative now!!)

So you’re just assuming that whoever the seller is did not discuss selling with AP beforehand.

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Gent675

So you’re just assuming that whoever the seller is did not discuss selling with AP beforehand.

Where did I say that please?

[HMHM]

Originally Posted by Gent675

So you’re just assuming that whoever the seller is did not discuss selling with AP beforehand.

I think that’s a reasonable assumption - that the person selling the 50th had not have any discussion with the AP SA. I can assure you the conversation would have ended with - “I don’t recommend selling the 15510 50th as it’s a really sought after and difficult to get watch” before the owner subsequently went against the advice. That’s if any discussion had taken place.

[Gent675]

Originally Posted by GW44

Where did I say that please?

"But AP aren’t silly and with a bit of detective work will probably know who the customer is……or was (past tense being operative now!!"

[GW44]

Originally Posted by Gent675

"But AP aren’t silly and with a bit of detective work will probably know who the customer is……or was (past tense being operative now!!"

I'm afraid that's not the same thing at all but carry on if you must....

[Bpan]

Originally Posted by GW44

But AP aren’t silly and with a bit of detective work will probably know who the customer is……or was (past tense being operative now!!)

Now I'm imagining extraordinary rendition to an AP black site

[Gent675]

Originally Posted by HMHM

I think that’s a reasonable assumption - that the person selling the 50th had not have any discussion with the AP SA. I can assure you the conversation would have ended with - “I don’t recommend selling the 15510 50th as it’s a really sought after and difficult to get watch” before the owner subsequently went against the advice. That’s if any discussion had taken place.

Someone’s been drinking too much AP koolaid.