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marshallr47 · 30 August 2009, 05:09 AM

Incredible watch David. Enjoy it for many years to come.

ijen0311 · 30 August 2009, 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablojota

rtft?

perfect example...

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 04:34 AM

Can you post a close up of your dial? I particularly would like to see the coronet included.

http://doubleredseadweller.com/rs2.htm

Tridor · 31 October 2009, 04:54 AM

WOW! Simply beautiful! Congratulations and wear it in the best of health.

texastimex · 31 October 2009, 05:34 AM

David:

Awesome watch. My parents gave my brother a Red Submariner for his graduation many years ago. He had to sell it recently, but he had the papers, original box, and everything. I hated to see him sell it.

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 05:40 AM

Jocke's Red Sub with reference closeup's x2. Jacke's coronet "appears" to be the one associated with the "closed" 6's (according to the DRSD website). I can't tell if his 6's are open or closed due to the picture quality and zoom level.

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekbum

David,
Does it have opened 6’s or closed 6's ?
Again great find enjoy.

Only one to ask about the 6's Greekbum.

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 07:07 AM

Notice the position of the "C" in "CERTIFIED" in relation to the letter "H" above it. It is slightly to the left on one version of the dial and slightly to the right on the other version in relation to the letter "H".

alohanakoni · 31 October 2009, 07:35 AM

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 08:36 AM

Apparently the coronet should be the same on the "closed" 6's as a Mark III DRSD.

Quote: "A correct "close 6s" dial. First note the shape of the coronet and compare it to Mark III DRSD dial below. Its the same. Also note the print of the word "Submariner" DIRECTLY on the dial, just like the DRSD mark III. Lastly, the close 6s for the depth ratings.." (the picture is from MY dial with a serial 3.551XXX, then David's, the quote refers to a dial on the link provided below).

http://doubleredseadweller.com/new_fakes.htm Quote: from this link......page all the way down for it.

In conclusion.

1. There is a direct link between the correct "close 6s" dial and the mark III DRSD dials. They were both produced by the same company at about the early 70's and cases in the 3 million.

2. There is a new batch is higher quality fakes for both the DRSD and Red Subs. They require a higher skill to tell them apart. Hopefully this article will help.

3. There is a new batch of fake "close 6's" Red Sub dials and very close to the real dials except that the coronet is slightly off.

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 09:41 AM

Where is the bold white line under the "SWISS-T<25"??

USCpaneristi · 31 October 2009, 10:10 AM

Congratulations David. A fine choice and an excellent find. Wear it in good health for many years to come!

onkyo · 31 October 2009, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

Apparently the coronet should be the same on the "closed" 6's as a Mark III DRSD.

Quote: "A correct "close 6s" dial. First note the shape of the coronet and compare it to Mark III DRSD dial below. Its the same. Also note the print of the word "Submariner" DIRECTLY on the dial, just like the DRSD mark III. Lastly, the close 6s for the depth ratings.." (the picture is from MY dial with a serial 3.551XXX, then David's, the quote refers to a dial on the link provided below).

http://doubleredseadweller.com/new_fakes.htm Quote: from this link......page all the way down for it.

In conclusion.

1. There is a direct link between the correct "close 6s" dial and the mark III DRSD dials. They were both produced by the same company at about the early 70's and cases in the 3 million.

2. There is a new batch is higher quality fakes for both the DRSD and Red Subs. They require a higher skill to tell them apart. Hopefully this article will help.

3. There is a new batch of fake "close 6's" Red Sub dials and very close to the real dials except that the coronet is slightly off.

The dial is fine.... look below all the way to the right. The serial also matches the range of the dial.

Enjoy that beauty David. (ps... not my photo)

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 11:01 AM

What are you refering to exactly oncyo?? Where is the picture from exactly. Its hard to see any detail in those pictures. All of my reference photo's I have taken from the DRSD site since anyone that asks questions regarding these "RED" watches are always refered to their website here in TRF.

Nevermind, it was a guy named Phillip on the Vintage Rolex forum. Humm

http://www.watchblog.dk/rolex1680.html

Barracuda · 31 October 2009, 11:03 AM

BEAUTY!!

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 11:13 AM

I would be interested in seeing more examples of this MK 6 dial. Its never mentioned on the DRSD site. They only have two versions of the "Feet first" Red sub. I wonder if all these MK 6 dials are missing the bold white stripe under the SWISS-<25.

onkyo · 31 October 2009, 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DadsWatch72

I would be interested in seeing more examples of this MK 6 dial. Its never mentioned on the DRSD site. They only have two versions of the "Feet first" Red sub. I wonder if all these MK 6 dials are missing the bold white stripe under the SWISS-<25.

Another example with close serial # http://www.vintage-watches-berlin.de...s/1680-3762712

tgoose1 · 31 October 2009, 11:38 AM

The red/Submariner Mk-6 dial is a fairly scarce dial, certainly the last in series and very desireable. Since this watch is 36 years old, the 30sec marker could have flaked off with age or during servicing. The "S" in Submariner on the Mk-6 is different from the previous series. Beautiful vintage watch that anyone would be proud to own!

DadsWatch72 · 31 October 2009, 11:44 AM

It looks a lot like Davids. Strange though. It almost looks like someone "blacked out" the bold white line under the "SWISS-<25". And its also strange that its never mentioned on "thee" website for referencing these red watches.

http://www.vintage-watches-berlin.de...s/1680-3762712

maverick · 1 November 2009, 04:49 AM

Nice mrk. VI dial. The mrk V dials are open sixes also so the mark VI is the only feet first the has closed 6s. =) maverick

DadsWatch72 · 1 November 2009, 05:03 AM

According to the DRSD site, this is the only closed 6's dial (first pic). It does have a slight opening but they consider it "closed" compared with the clearly open 6's on the only other feet first dial. I will post all three together.

1. Closed (according to DRSD website)
2. Open (according to DRSD website)
3. Closed (controversial last dial design)

This is the way I look at it.......

A. The DRSD website is wrong or incomplete
B. The last example is incorrect

I have searched high and low for other examples or reference for these later produced watches (controversial dials to be exact). I can't find anything on them, period.

DadsWatch72 · 1 November 2009, 06:00 AM

Here are the coronet's that are associated with each dial style in the same order for each picture above.

1. Closed (according to DRSD website)-its the same as a DRSD MkIII
2. Open (according to DRSD website)-bottom hole barely visable
3. Closed (controversial last dial design)-more round

KJacques · 1 November 2009, 06:17 AM

Congratulations, David! It has been my grail as well for many years.

Here are some pictures for reference as well. Purchased 1974, 342 mil serial number.

DadsWatch72 · 1 November 2009, 06:20 AM

SWEET SUB. Now thats a Genuine "Red" Rolex Submariner.

Thanks for posting your close up pictures. They will help anyone who wants to buy a Red Sub in the future.

DadsWatch72 · 1 November 2009, 11:04 PM

I have noticed that the number 6 in the Sea Dweller series of dials didn't use that style of the number 6 until the DRSD Mk 4 and MK 5. Here is the DRSD MK 4 and Mk 5 dials to compare the number 6 on the Sub dials.

newsboy · 2 November 2009, 07:12 AM

Gorgeous watches

layne · 2 November 2009, 11:22 AM

Congrats - great find there David!!

DadsWatch72 · 2 November 2009, 02:28 PM

I wrote the DRSD website contact an email asking for more information about this dial in question. His response was:

Hi,

I dont have a photo of this dial on my website but its correct. Congrats.

Kindly
Ed

You know what I have learned in my quest to understand these "Red" Subs? Same thing I learned about the DRSD's. There are a lot of fakes out there and the difference between them and the real deal is very subtle. I also found out the answer to the real question..............ie; either the dial was wrong OR the DRSD website was incomplete. It was the latter. Thanks David for being such a good sport while I learned a few things about these watches.

Hopefully it serves to help others distinguish a genuine "Red" Sub when considering one for purchase.

30 August 2009, 05:09 AM	#121
marshallr47 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Real Name: Ron Location: Alabama Watch: Daytona,TT Sub,GMT Posts: 4,673	Incredible watch David. Enjoy it for many years to come. __________________ Ron

31 October 2009, 04:54 AM	#124
Tridor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: The Ozone Watch: DD, DJ, SubC Date Posts: 1,666	WOW! Simply beautiful! Congratulations and wear it in the best of health.

31 October 2009, 05:34 AM	#125
texastimex "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: RMD Location: Austin, Texas Watch: Platona Posts: 66	David: Awesome watch. My parents gave my brother a Red Submariner for his graduation many years ago. He had to sell it recently, but he had the papers, original box, and everything. I hated to see him sell it.

31 October 2009, 07:35 AM	#129
alohanakoni "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Anthony Location: USA Watch: Rolex Daytona TT Posts: 860

31 October 2009, 09:41 AM	#131
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	Where is the bold white line under the "SWISS-T<25"??

31 October 2009, 10:10 AM	#132
USCpaneristi Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Andrew Location: California Watch: Black SS Daytona Posts: 227	Congratulations David. A fine choice and an excellent find. Wear it in good health for many years to come!

31 October 2009, 11:01 AM	#134
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	What are you refering to exactly oncyo?? Where is the picture from exactly. Its hard to see any detail in those pictures. All of my reference photo's I have taken from the DRSD site since anyone that asks questions regarding these "RED" watches are always refered to their website here in TRF. Nevermind, it was a guy named Phillip on the Vintage Rolex forum. Humm http://www.watchblog.dk/rolex1680.html

31 October 2009, 11:03 AM	#135
Barracuda "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Michigan Watch: DRSD MKll Posts: 84	BEAUTY!!

31 October 2009, 11:13 AM	#136
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I would be interested in seeing more examples of this MK 6 dial. Its never mentioned on the DRSD site. They only have two versions of the "Feet first" Red sub. I wonder if all these MK 6 dials are missing the bold white stripe under the SWISS-<25.

31 October 2009, 11:38 AM	#138
tgoose1 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Louisiana Watch: Rolex Submariner Posts: 666	The red/Submariner Mk-6 dial is a fairly scarce dial, certainly the last in series and very desireable. Since this watch is 36 years old, the 30sec marker could have flaked off with age or during servicing. The "S" in Submariner on the Mk-6 is different from the previous series. Beautiful vintage watch that anyone would be proud to own!

1 November 2009, 04:49 AM	#140
maverick Banned Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: maverick Location: Prescott Watch: Rolex Posts: 1,180	Nice mrk. VI dial. The mrk V dials are open sixes also so the mark VI is the only feet first the has closed 6s. =) maverick

1 November 2009, 06:17 AM	#143
KJacques "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Kevin Location: USA Watch: the skies Posts: 1,250	Congratulations, David! It has been my grail as well for many years. Here are some pictures for reference as well. Purchased 1974, 342 mil serial number.

1 November 2009, 06:20 AM	#144
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	SWEET SUB. Now thats a Genuine "Red" Rolex Submariner. Thanks for posting your close up pictures. They will help anyone who wants to buy a Red Sub in the future.

2 November 2009, 07:12 AM	#146
newsboy "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: UK Watch: SS White Daytona Posts: 1,060	Gorgeous watches

2 November 2009, 11:22 AM	#147
layne "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: John Location: Australia Watch: Rolex Posts: 253	Congrats - great find there David!!

2 November 2009, 02:28 PM	#148
DadsWatch72 Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: USA Watch: DRSD 1665 #3551XXX Posts: 2,401	I wrote the DRSD website contact an email asking for more information about this dial in question. His response was: Hi, I dont have a photo of this dial on my website but its correct. Congrats. Kindly Ed You know what I have learned in my quest to understand these "Red" Subs? Same thing I learned about the DRSD's. There are a lot of fakes out there and the difference between them and the real deal is very subtle. I also found out the answer to the real question..............ie; either the dial was wrong OR the DRSD website was incomplete. It was the latter. Thanks David for being such a good sport while I learned a few things about these watches. Hopefully it serves to help others distinguish a genuine "Red" Sub when considering one for purchase.

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