Help with this 5512

[bbturbo]

Hello,

Would appreciate if fellow collectors who are familiar with the 5512 help verify if this is genuine. Any red flags (perhaps apart from the service insert/pearl)?

Thanks

[Rameez-Q]

Not an expert, but should the exclamation point be tritum? Should it not be gilt as per the writing and markers?

[bbturbo]

Thanks for your feedback. Valid question.. I have no idea either. Surprised that this 5512 is so under the radar... no one seems to have any idea so far

[RazorD]

I'm the furthest thing from a pro, but the dial and insert looks to be replacements. Others will validate or correct me soon, I'm sure.

[buenosdias]

I'm not an expert and as I am not, I do not comment the 5512...
BUT one question, maybe a little provocative:

Why do you, David and DannyK, if you are not an expert as you say, do such confusing comments/statements, not knowing what you are talking about?
If I were the TS, I would now be more confused than before.
Wouldn't it be more helpful to write nothing and let the pros do the solid statements????

Sorry for that post, but I'm not a friend of such unqualified post like the ones above cause they don't help the TS, they do the contrary ;-)

[mr500cm]

Isn't that a 5513?

[RLX-lvr]

Looks to be a very nice '62 ish 5512, 2 line, with exclamation point.
The dot looks to have flaked off, which is common. Looks to have the original hands.
Need to see picks of the serial, and case back though.
Est price 18-21K ? Usd, if all checks out.

I like it.

[RazorD]

Originally Posted by buenosdias

I'm not an expert and as I am not, I do not comment the 5512...
BUT one question, maybe a little provocative:

Why do you, David and DannyK, if you are not an expert as you say, do such confusing comments/statements, not knowing what you are talking about?
If I were the TS, I would now be more confused than before.
Wouldn't it be more helpful to write nothing and let the pros do the solid statements????

Sorry for that post, but I'm not a friend of such unqualified post like the ones above cause they don't help the TS, they do the contrary ;-)

Sorry and point taken. I tried to edit my post to avoid confusion but can't seem to. OP, please disregard.

[Rameez-Q]

Originally Posted by buenosdias

I'm not an expert and as I am not, I do not comment the 5512...
BUT one question, maybe a little provocative:

Why do you, David and DannyK, if you are not an expert as you say, do such confusing comments/statements, not knowing what you are talking about?
If I were the TS, I would now be more confused than before.
Wouldn't it be more helpful to write nothing and let the pros do the solid statements????

Sorry for that post, but I'm not a friend of such unqualified post like the ones above cause they don't help the TS, they do the contrary ;-)

I agree, but just a comment maybe another with more knowledge can chime in and correct

[Robbyvm]

nothing wrong with the exclamation point, just a little flaked
Dial seems ok to me, difficult to judge condition based on these pictures (should see it at an angle)

i guess hands should be gilt also but i can't tell by the pics if they are...
By the looks the case is pointed crown guards as it should be (also difficult to judge condition by these pics)

[dstacy]

I'm curious and don't know.... is the "swiss" only correct?

[RLX-lvr]

Originally Posted by dstacy

I'm curious and don't know.... is the "swiss" only correct?

Yes it is.

[springer]

Originally Posted by buenosdias

I'm not an expert and as I am not, I do not comment the 5512...
BUT one question, maybe a little provocative:

Why do you, David and DannyK, if you are not an expert as you say, do such confusing comments/statements, not knowing what you are talking about?
If I were the TS, I would now be more confused than before.
Wouldn't it be more helpful to write nothing and let the pros do the solid statements????

Sorry for that post, but I'm not a friend of such unqualified post like the ones above cause they don't help the TS, they do the contrary ;-)

X2. I see a lot of this on the forum lately and would agree with your assessment. Many of these comments are not even close to accurate. Normally, the person placing the question wants some credible advice, not someone "guessing" at a solution.

[springer]

Originally Posted by mr500cm

Isn't that a 5513?

No it is not a 5513. The early 5512s did not have the certified chronometer verbiage on the dial. They were "two-liners" like the one depicted here and not "four liners."

[oldLeatherNeck]

Originally Posted by buenosdias

I'm not an expert and as I am not, I do not comment the 5512...
BUT one question, maybe a little provocative:

Why do you, David and DannyK, if you are not an expert as you say, do such confusing comments/statements, not knowing what you are talking about?
If I were the TS, I would now be more confused than before.
Wouldn't it be more helpful to write nothing and let the pros do the solid statements????

Sorry for that post, but I'm not a friend of such unqualified post like the ones above cause they don't help the TS, they do the contrary ;-)

I know this is a public forum and no one is prohibit from commenting on any particular subject, but some of the comments are not constructive at all. How in the heck can you say a dial is replaced when the serial of a watch wasn't disclosed? Please people, if you don't know. Don't comment please.

To the OP:

Your watch is a 2 line 5512. The chapter ring, exclamation dot dial is correct and is in real nice condition. It is correct for 62-63 PCG 5512 subs. This watch if indeed is all original could fetch large sum as it is rarer/more valuable than the other 5512 4 line gilt variants.

[bbturbo]

Thanks all so much for the insights, this is why this forum is so great - many are generous with sharing their knowledge. Glad to know that this piece is good.

I am also considering another example. I've studied the prints/writings and the fonts seem ok vs the images I've found in the dial archives for 5512 PGC, except for the coronet (the 'hole' seems larger and the distant between the top of the 'hole' and the base of the '5 fingers' seem shorter) and maybe the text is slightly thinner but it could be distortion due to the doomed crystal. Could some of you who are familiar help please. Seller is confident watch is 100% genuine.

Thanking all in advance.

[bbturbo]

Oh forgot to include the image of the bottom part of the dial.

oldLeatherNeck:
Interesting to note that this 2-liner dial variant is more valuable than the 4-liner gilt. I always had the impression that latter 4-liner gilt is the more sought after, thus more valuable.

[oldLeatherNeck]

Originally Posted by bbturbo

Oh forgot to include the image of the bottom part of the dial.

oldLeatherNeck:
Interesting to note that this 2-liner dial variant is more valuable than the 4-liner gilt. I always had the impression that latter 4-liner gilt is the more sought after, thus more valuable.

2 line 5512 gilt is rare. It's more sought after than the 5513 gilt (also 2 line)

[bbturbo]

Thank you!

What's your view on the 2nd piece? looks legit?

Originally Posted by oldLeatherNeck

2 line 5512 gilt is rare. It's more sought after than the 5513 gilt (also 2 line)

[bbturbo]

Thought I'll include side shots of the 2nd piece to have a clearer idea of the dial.

[mr500cm]

Originally Posted by springer

No it is not a 5513. The early 5512s did not have the certified chronometer verbiage on the dial. They were "two-liners" like the one depicted here and not "four liners."

Thank you, I didn't know that.

[teeva3333]

Originally Posted by bbturbo

Thank you!

What's your view on the 2nd piece? looks legit?

I am more familiar with the second pc. Looks legit and looks to be in very good condition. Exclamation dial commonly found in 7xx circa. No apparent center dragmark which commonly found in 5512 chapter.

I think what oldleatherneck meant by this variant is rarer than 4 line 5512 is the one without chapter ring. As for 5512 chapter ring 4 line is much rarer than the 2 line version.

[bbturbo]

Thank you teeva333


I personally prefer this to the first piece. I'm glad to hear it appears to be legit. By the way, what are the hands for this watch suppose to be? I cannot find any literature on it. Gilt/radium/tritium?

Yes that makes sense re 4-liner gilt. I've read a few articles indicating that the 4-liner gilt/CR is at the top of the food chain followed by the 2 liner gilt/CR.

[Beaumont Miller II]

That second 2 liner looks great.

The two liner 5512 from 1961-1962 will typically house the 1530 calibre movement, while the 4 liner 5512 from the same period will house the 1560 calibre movement that came out shortly after the 5512 was introduced in 1959.

[Wing Zero]

Originally Posted by Beaumont Miller II

That second 2 liner looks great.

Absolutely Gorgeous !!

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by bbturbo

it could be distortion due to the doomed crystal.

I wouldn't say it looks that bad...