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DRAWTOOL · 15 July 2010, 03:45 AM

Owning both, I will tell you if I had to choose one I'd choose the II.

NMS75 · 15 July 2010, 03:56 AM

If you buy a Submariner you will want an Explorer BUT if you buy and Explorer you will want a Submariner! Either way you will end up wanting both - I should know as I do! lol

Seriously though why not try both on and see which takes your fancy the most?
For me it was the Submariner, a classic watch and an ideal starting point!

M

JJ Irani · 15 July 2010, 04:03 AM

First Rolex? The Sub 16610 - no substitute, end of story.

Good luck - JJ

scottjb411 · 15 July 2010, 04:47 AM

I'm a big sub fan, but from the post on TRF the explorer II has more durability. As for a good place to buy, Bernard watch co. has always taken care of me. I've read alot of post about sellers on this forum that sound trustworthy also. I'm a firm believer in local AD's estate pieces. My AD overhauls every preowned piece. Sometimes you can barter with them on the price. My AD always takes care of me with nice discounts.

DRAWTOOL · 15 July 2010, 04:53 AM

By the way Welcome to the Forum!

Where you at in Texas? I bought both mine used from a great supplier, PM me and I'll give you the details.

Esexx · 15 July 2010, 05:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

First Rolex? The Sub 16610 - no substitute, end of story.

Good luck - JJ

I agree, 16610 all the way for your (and mine) first Rolex!

ABrolex · 15 July 2010, 07:05 AM

Exp II is my 1st Rolex ... I was in the same boat as you

autofiend · 15 July 2010, 07:20 AM

I was also in a similar dilemma. The ND Sub for me--

1. don't need the second time zone
2. the rotating bezel is quite useful
3. without the cyclops, it is even more low profile than the Exp II
4. it's THE classic Rolex sport watch IMO and the dial symmetry/simplicity is bar none

I even have gotten used to not having the date. I just make an effort to remember it--+ another pt for keeping up your mental acuity.

That being said, you can't go wrong with either. The Exp II is a great watch.

AndersB · 15 July 2010, 08:17 AM

Johnny you need to try them on and see how they look from a distance, say a metre or two. Sometimes watches look very different when worn than when you look at them in pictures etc. Just my piece of advice. The Exp II for instance will probably look smaller on your wrist than the Sub although they're almost precisely the same size.

rzielinski · 15 July 2010, 04:28 PM

The explorer doesn't look that good. The sub is the king of the Rolex line. So you know what to do, right?

bahrenj · 16 July 2010, 01:29 AM

I think you will regret not getting the sub more than the Exp II. The 16610 is will become a classic know that they are no longer in production. The Exp will likely run for a few more years. As soon as the sub hits your wrist you be on the hunt for the Exp II. I think the white dial is a really unique piece that wears very different (more dressy) to the rest of the black dial sports models. For your first go with the Sub. It's everywhere, but there is a good reason for it.

ayres · 16 July 2010, 02:21 AM

have you tried both on? after a short while, you'll notice that the exp2 is more comfortable.

really, it comes down to whether or not you want a rotating bezel.

Hooper · 16 July 2010, 02:36 AM

If you want ruggedness, then go for the Explorer, due to the solid bezzel !! But personally you can't go wrong with the Sub, very rugged and all around classic. The sub has the rotating bezel which may be an issue depending really on how rugged you get !!

DRAWTOOL · 16 July 2010, 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rzielinski

The explorer doesn't look that good.

KCCHIEF · 16 July 2010, 03:56 AM

i own both. had the explorer ii first. i would say get the sub first and hold off on the explorer ii until the new one comes out in 2011 (hopefully).

at7724 · 16 July 2010, 09:24 AM

I have had both. E2 hands down.

Rolesor · 16 July 2010, 09:43 AM

I really like the explorer II it's a little more 'unique' - the white dial is absolutely pristine but black looks great too!

Rolex40mm · 17 December 2013, 04:48 AM

I would go with the Explorer II. My hairdresser wears a submariner, so does my apartment manager. Too many ordinary people wear it… you get the point….

AK797 · 17 December 2013, 06:41 AM

No I would get the sub and a time machine.

strafer_kid · 17 December 2013, 08:16 AM

You cannot go wrong with either the Sub or Explorer. Whilst the Sub naturally holds the edge in water, the Explorer leads on land. It is a very well built, functional watch that is 'low on maintenance', and let's face it, waterproof to well beyond anything most of us will ever need - the 4 metre pool? Go with your gut feeling, or failing that, pick up both! Good luck!

Racerdj · 17 December 2013, 09:00 AM

Either works but for me it would be the SubC.

ELITEVIDEOGAMES · 17 December 2013, 09:03 AM

thread from 2010.... LoL he most likely made his choice.

subtona · 17 December 2013, 09:06 AM

Even in 2013... Still My two favorites, either could easily be my one & only.

aesopsnyc · 14 February 2018, 02:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wisguy

This is a hard one, if you're like me you in trouble...

I have the ExpII and I want the sub, had I bought the Sub I would want the ExpII...

And I have a subc and am considering trading for the 216570 explorer 2 polar. Not an easy decision. I guess there's no right or wrong answer.

JacksonStone · 14 February 2018, 03:19 AM

Zombie thread. Should have stayed dead.

Mrcoach32 · 14 February 2018, 03:35 AM

IMO, it's a Sub all day long. I haven't heard the Sub bezel is fragile in the least. That watch is the icon of icons for a reason. I was anti-Sub guy for years because "everyone has one" until I tried one on and my response was, "Oh. Now I get it." Keep in mind that the Exp II bezel scratches very easily. I seriously considered one until I read that. I also recommend a ceramic bezel. They're incredible.

ferrissteve11 · 14 February 2018, 04:29 AM

I've had the EXII and while its a great value for the money in terms of what you get....BUT I don't think it scratches 'the itch' quite like the Sub can and does. I'd go Sub than if you still want a GMT feature consider the EXII later. YMMV

Uhtred59 · 14 February 2018, 04:33 AM

It hard to kill the undead though.

JacksonStone · 14 February 2018, 04:44 AM

Ain't that the truth.

Fabrice M · 14 February 2018, 04:53 AM

As your first Rolex, go with the sub. It is the classic, iconic Rolex.

15 July 2010, 04:03 AM	#33
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	First Rolex? The Sub 16610 - no substitute, end of story. Good luck - JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

16 July 2010, 03:56 AM	#45
KCCHIEF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Kansas City, MO Watch: Daytona & Sub Date Posts: 256	i own both. had the explorer ii first. i would say get the sub first and hold off on the explorer ii until the new one comes out in 2011 (hopefully). __________________ Johnny Bench called SS Daytona w/ White Dial (116520) SS Submariner Date (116610LN)

16 July 2010, 09:43 AM	#47
Rolesor "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Brandon Location: Toronto, ON Watch: 116234 Posts: 4,141	I really like the explorer II it's a little more 'unique' - the white dial is absolutely pristine but black looks great too! __________________ 116234 - Blue Concentric Dial - Fluted Bezel - Oyster Bracelet

17 December 2013, 09:00 AM	#51
Racerdj 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Indianapolis Watch: Patek-Philippe Posts: 16,832	Either works but for me it would be the SubC. __________________ Rolex and Patek Philippe

17 December 2013, 09:06 AM	#53
subtona "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Real Name: gus Location: East Coast Watch: APK & sometimes Y Posts: 25,983	Even in 2013... Still My two favorites, either could easily be my one & only. __________________

15 July 2010, 03:56 AM	#32
NMS75 Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Mark Location: United Kingdom Watch: 16610 & 116710LN Posts: 559	If you buy a Submariner you will want an Explorer BUT if you buy and Explorer you will want a Submariner! Either way you will end up wanting both - I should know as I do! lol Seriously though why not try both on and see which takes your fancy the most? For me it was the Submariner, a classic watch and an ideal starting point! M

15 July 2010, 04:47 AM	#34
scottjb411 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Scott Location: Indiana Watch: Sub & Explorer II Posts: 119	I'm a big sub fan, but from the post on TRF the explorer II has more durability. As for a good place to buy, Bernard watch co. has always taken care of me. I've read alot of post about sellers on this forum that sound trustworthy also. I'm a firm believer in local AD's estate pieces. My AD overhauls every preowned piece. Sometimes you can barter with them on the price. My AD always takes care of me with nice discounts.

15 July 2010, 07:05 AM	#37
ABrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 192	Exp II is my 1st Rolex ... I was in the same boat as you

15 July 2010, 07:20 AM	#38
autofiend "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 276	I was also in a similar dilemma. The ND Sub for me-- 1. don't need the second time zone 2. the rotating bezel is quite useful 3. without the cyclops, it is even more low profile than the Exp II 4. it's THE classic Rolex sport watch IMO and the dial symmetry/simplicity is bar none I even have gotten used to not having the date. I just make an effort to remember it--+ another pt for keeping up your mental acuity. That being said, you can't go wrong with either. The Exp II is a great watch.

15 July 2010, 08:17 AM	#39
AndersB "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Europe Posts: 603	Johnny you need to try them on and see how they look from a distance, say a metre or two. Sometimes watches look very different when worn than when you look at them in pictures etc. Just my piece of advice. The Exp II for instance will probably look smaller on your wrist than the Sub although they're almost precisely the same size.

15 July 2010, 04:28 PM	#40
rzielinski Banned Join Date: May 2007 Location: California Posts: 66	The explorer doesn't look that good. The sub is the king of the Rolex line. So you know what to do, right?

16 July 2010, 01:29 AM	#41
bahrenj "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Jeff Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 39	I think you will regret not getting the sub more than the Exp II. The 16610 is will become a classic know that they are no longer in production. The Exp will likely run for a few more years. As soon as the sub hits your wrist you be on the hunt for the Exp II. I think the white dial is a really unique piece that wears very different (more dressy) to the rest of the black dial sports models. For your first go with the Sub. It's everywhere, but there is a good reason for it.

16 July 2010, 02:21 AM	#42
ayres "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: honolulu Watch: whatever runs Posts: 551	have you tried both on? after a short while, you'll notice that the exp2 is more comfortable. really, it comes down to whether or not you want a rotating bezel.

16 July 2010, 02:36 AM	#43
Hooper "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Tony Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: 16610 Posts: 3,290	If you want ruggedness, then go for the Explorer, due to the solid bezzel !! But personally you can't go wrong with the Sub, very rugged and all around classic. The sub has the rotating bezel which may be an issue depending really on how rugged you get !!

16 July 2010, 09:24 AM	#46
at7724 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: California Posts: 148	I have had both. E2 hands down.

17 December 2013, 04:48 AM	#48
Rolex40mm Banned Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 373	I would go with the Explorer II. My hairdresser wears a submariner, so does my apartment manager. Too many ordinary people wear it… you get the point….

17 December 2013, 06:41 AM	#49
AK797 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Real Name: Neil Location: UK Watch: ing ships roll in Posts: 59,206	No I would get the sub and a time machine.

17 December 2013, 08:16 AM	#50
strafer_kid "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Kenny Location: northern ireland Watch: SDs, Subs & GMTs Posts: 5,127	You cannot go wrong with either the Sub or Explorer. Whilst the Sub naturally holds the edge in water, the Explorer leads on land. It is a very well built, functional watch that is 'low on maintenance', and let's face it, waterproof to well beyond anything most of us will ever need - the 4 metre pool? Go with your gut feeling, or failing that, pick up both! Good luck!

17 December 2013, 09:03 AM	#52
ELITEVIDEOGAMES "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Real Name: Tom Location: Long Island NY Watch: me sell games Posts: 1,898	thread from 2010.... LoL he most likely made his choice.

14 February 2018, 03:19 AM	#55
JacksonStone Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,150	Zombie thread. Should have stayed dead.

14 February 2018, 03:35 AM	#56
Mrcoach32 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Wisconsin Posts: 469	IMO, it's a Sub all day long. I haven't heard the Sub bezel is fragile in the least. That watch is the icon of icons for a reason. I was anti-Sub guy for years because "everyone has one" until I tried one on and my response was, "Oh. Now I get it." Keep in mind that the Exp II bezel scratches very easily. I seriously considered one until I read that. I also recommend a ceramic bezel. They're incredible. __________________ Rolex 116610LN, Rolex 116710BLNR, Rolex 116610LV, Rolex 126600, Panerai PAM01320, Omega Planet Ocean 232.90.42.21.03.001, Omega Speedmaster Professional 311.30.42.30.01.005, Omega Seamaster 300M 2531.80.00, Tudor Pelagos LHD 25610TNL, Seiko SBDC007, Casio G-Shock GSTS130BC-1A

14 February 2018, 04:29 AM	#57
ferrissteve11 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: USA Posts: 1,115	I've had the EXII and while its a great value for the money in terms of what you get....BUT I don't think it scratches 'the itch' quite like the Sub can and does. I'd go Sub than if you still want a GMT feature consider the EXII later. YMMV

14 February 2018, 04:33 AM	#58
Uhtred59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2017 Real Name: Ken Location: Europa Watch: 216570 Posts: 693	It hard to kill the undead though. __________________ "My center is yielding, my right is retreating. Excellent situation, I am attacking" Ferdinand Foch

14 February 2018, 04:44 AM	#59
JacksonStone Banned Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Oregon Posts: 5,150	Ain't that the truth.

14 February 2018, 04:53 AM	#60
Fabrice M 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Denver Watch: This and that... Posts: 1,640	As your first Rolex, go with the sub. It is the classic, iconic Rolex.

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