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Old 5 January 2017, 11:34 AM   #1
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I've begun (again) my seemingly endless research into acquiring a 16760 GMT and am somewhat in the dark so to speak on their worth. I've looked at prices at different sites and frankly, they seem to be all over the map. Plus, they're aren't nearly as many for sale. So, I'm turning to the experts here since you all have been such a help in the past. I know value pricing can be so subjective but just curious what you all thought. I like the fact they were made for a shorter period of time and that the case thickness, crown guards, etc. are different then say a 16710. Any particular year/serial number to look for or any of the obvious such as full set etc. which may have a buyer pay more? Thank you all in advance
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Old 5 January 2017, 12:23 PM   #2
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I've seen prices all over the map as well. I try to use the sales forums here and on a Canadian collectors forum for a more accurate reference. I haven't seen many fat lady's though.
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Old 5 January 2017, 12:33 PM   #3
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Prices for any GMT, or Submariner, Explorer etc, are all over the map because the price is predicated so much on condition, originality, service history accessories completeness etc.

Pricing for a nice 16760, without any extras, seems to be in the $6,000 range. Maybe less, maybe more...based on comments I made in my first paragraph.

All the 16760s originally came with tritium dials marked SWISS-T<25. Be careful buying one with a SWISS dial - which is a service dial. The original tritium dials seemed to be prone to corrosion and while some have been replaced with service dials, others have not - which is usually evidenced by corrosion around the markers.

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Old 5 January 2017, 01:29 PM   #4
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I bought mine, circa 1987, a few months ago on a different forum. It has the original dial with a nice matte patina but the hands have been replaced. I got a great price, I love it. Feels great, looks great.
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Old 6 January 2017, 04:29 PM   #5
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Prices for any GMT, or Submariner, Explorer etc, are all over the map because the price is predicated so much on condition, originality, service history accessories completeness etc.

Pricing for a nice 16760, without any extras, seems to be in the $6,000 range. Maybe less, maybe more...based on comments I made in my first paragraph.

All the 16760s originally came with tritium dials marked SWISS-T<25. Be careful buying one with a SWISS dial - which is a service dial. The original tritium dials seemed to be prone to corrosion and while some have been replaced with service dials, others have not - which is usually evidenced by corrosion around the markers.

Good luck!!!
Thanks jP! If properly documented, does the service dial make the watch less desirable? Seems as though unlike other original Rolex dials, these may get so corroded that the replacement by RSc actually makes it better?
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Old 6 January 2017, 06:56 PM   #6
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A service dial will never make a vintage GMT better.
Prices are from 6K USD up to..... ?? The most sought after model is the "no date" version, which was produced from the beginning up to ca. 8,50 bio serial.
For comparison here you can see pics of my mint (unworn) fatlady "no date".....










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Old 6 January 2017, 07:38 PM   #7
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Wow. Life is too short to not wear that.
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Old 6 January 2017, 10:46 PM   #8
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A service dial will never make a vintage GMT better.
Prices are from 6K USD up to..... ?? The most sought after model is the "no date" version, which was produced from the beginning up to ca. 8,50 bio serial.
For comparison here you can see pics of my mint (unworn) fatlady "no date".....










Oh my...that looks stunning!!
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Old 7 January 2017, 01:49 AM   #9
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A service dial will never make a vintage GMT better.
Prices are from 6K USD up to..... ?? The most sought after model is the "no date" version, which was produced from the beginning up to ca. 8,50 bio serial.
For comparison here you can see pics of my mint (unworn) fatlady "no date".....










That is the best example I have ever seen .. What a beauty!!
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Old 7 January 2017, 02:26 AM   #10
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A service dial will never make a vintage GMT better.
Prices are from 6K USD up to..... ?? The most sought after model is the "no date" version, which was produced from the beginning up to ca. 8,50 bio serial.
For comparison here you can see pics of my mint (unworn) fatlady "no date".....












I've been saying for years that I LOVE the look of tritium patina on gloss dials and will pay a premium for dials like that. This is why! What an amazing example of a sapphire GMT! Are we still saying that these can't be considered vintage? I don't think so.
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Old 7 January 2017, 02:51 AM   #11
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Thank you guys for those big compliments !!!
It´s a rare "nodate" version and a fullset. I also love this GMT......
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Old 7 January 2017, 03:03 AM   #12
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That case definitely looks pristine, the bezel edges are razor sharp, but I thought all 16760's came with the serif bezel insert only. Maybe I've been misinformed.
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Old 7 January 2017, 04:50 AM   #13
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I am not sure, if it´s the first insert, because I am not the first owner, but I would think so, because it´s in NOS condition.
The surface of the insert got matte and the red part is a wonderful dark red.

I am also not sure, if it is a serif insert or not ??






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Old 7 January 2017, 05:16 AM   #14
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Amazing watch. Thanks for sharing.
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Old 7 January 2017, 10:44 AM   #15
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Serifs have "tails". Notice the little pointed tips on the 2's, and the 4. And the ends of the 1.

Don't get me wrong, that is a spectacular watch. I actually use those pics as an example of what an unpolished case of a fat lady looks like with the smaller bevels on the lugs. That bezel looks so crisp..... I've never seen pics of another one so clean. I could only wish that my fat lady case was that nice. From my research however everything I've seen suggests that the fat lady originally came with the serif insert. Yours might be a service insert. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Maybe someone like Springer can give his opinion/expertise.
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Old 7 January 2017, 10:44 AM   #16
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I have been wanting to get a jubilee bracelet for mine, seeing yours makes me want it even more! That seriously looks awesome. Do you know the number of that bracelet?
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Serifs have "tails". Notice the little pointed tips on the 2's, and the 4. And the ends of the 1.

Don't get me wrong, that is a spectacular watch. I actually use those pics as an example of what an unpolished case of a fat lady looks like with the smaller bevels on the lugs. That bezel looks so crisp..... I've never seen pics of another one so clean. I could only wish that my fat lady case was that nice. From my research however everything I've seen suggests that the fat lady originally came with the serif insert. Yours might be a service insert. Maybe I'm wrong though.

Maybe someone like Springer can give his opinion/expertise.
In my opinion, seriffs might have been on the later 16760s. I had a mint, one owner set I sold last year and it did not have seriffs. I've owned several others, a couple were sets, that did not have seriffs either.

The 16760 was introduced around 1984 and the bezel inserts appeared to be like the other GMT inserts from that era.

Here's an unmolested one from 1986.
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Old 7 January 2017, 12:43 PM   #18
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I have been wanting to get a jubilee bracelet for mine, seeing yours makes me want it even more! That seriously looks awesome. Do you know the number of that bracelet?
Jubilee model 62510 with 50 stamped last links. Make sure it has the 50 stamp or it is not a GMT Jubilee. 502 end links would be correct for the 16760.
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Old 7 January 2017, 02:26 PM   #19
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Jubilee model 62510 with 50 stamped last links. Make sure it has the 50 stamp or it is not a GMT Jubilee. 502 end links would be correct for the 16760.
Thanks. I guess sourcing this online is my best option?
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Thanks all for the insight and advice. I've asked one of the TSs I trust to be on the hunt for me. We shall see what develops!
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For comparison here you can see pics of my mint (unworn) fatlady "no date".....
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Why is it called a "no date" when the pictures actually show one,cyclops and all?
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Why is it called a "no date" when the pictures actually show one,cyclops and all?


Date is not evident on the dial.
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Ah yes, I see it now
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i wonder how the upcoming releases will affect my search for one
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i wonder how the upcoming releases will affect my search for one
Me too, was wondering the same thing; maybe a few more will come up for sale?
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that and 16710s in general,
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so much to learn...thank you
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Sophia Lauren has nothing on this 16760.
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Why is it called a "no date" when the pictures actually show one,cyclops and all?
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so much to learn...thank you
I was wondering what the "no date" was all about too. Thanks for educating me!
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