5164A vs 5167A

[justdate]

I want to get a steel aquanaut as my summer watch, we live by the coast so down on the beach and out on the boat every nice day the English weather system gives us.

I went to try a 5164A today and loved it. But it's just a little pricey for my expected usage and I don't need the dual time as it will be for day trips only. So I thought a 5167A would be perfect.

My concern is that losing the buttons on the left and the thinner case will really make the watch lose its presence as it might wear much smaller.

Has anyone compared these two side to side to tell how they wear? Does the 5167A wear much smaller on the wrist?

[mps354]

the 5167 does wear a bit smaller on the wrist (i think its due to the buttons and also less thickness), but it was not dramatically different in my view.

[pamy104]

Great question and one I tried to get clarity myself. Only tried and true ownership finally made my direction. I started with the 5167A with the same rational you did but ended up trading that in with another piece to get a 5164A, plus some cash. I really liked the 5167A but it was a little too small in diameter and thickness. Since getting the 5164A it has never left my wrist, tux, suit, jeans, shorts. Most versatile piece I have ever owned.

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[AK797]

I get you, love the looks and larger size of the 5164 but the price is rather awful considering the 5167's. I would still get the 64 but might be worth getting a used one, WF have one now.

[dysondiver]

im just a 5167 fan ,,, so for me , its the sleek un cluttered form that gives it its simple beauty ,,, two different watches , id take the 5167. to my mind its one of the ultimate sleepers.

[kultschar]

I guess size wise it goes smallest to biggest:

5167 > 5711 > 5164

Correct?

[justdate]

Originally Posted by pamy104

Great question and one I tried to get clarity myself. Only tried and true ownership finally made my direction. I started with the 5167A with the same rational you did but ended up trading that in with another piece to get a 5164A, plus some cash. I really liked the 5167A but it was a little too small in diameter and thickness. Since getting the 5164A it has never left my wrist, tux, suit, jeans, shorts. Most versatile piece I have ever owned.

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Very interesting, that's helpful thanks. It's surprising even with the 'same' design how much difference the thickness makes to the overall look.

My concern with the extra cost of the 5164 is that for my intended purposes of a watch to use for outdoors days, it might be a bit expensive. Just not sure how comfortable I would be with it on my wrist trying to get the anchor winch unjammed for example! That point is very relative of course.

How easily do these two models get scratched up? I wear a 5205R daily and am so surprised that it has not picked up a single scratch. Whereas a couple of months with an AP ROO it was a mess! So do consider this as an important factor.

Originally Posted by AK797

I get you, love the looks and larger size of the 5164 but the price is rather awful considering the 5167's. I would still get the 64 but might be worth getting a used one, WF have one now.

Yes, to me the price of the 5167 is a bit lower than I'd have expected and the 5164 a bit higher than I'd have expected. So the difference ends up being a lot more than you necessarily would imagine / can justify! But that is pretty much the story with all watches

True WF have small discounts on both models, actually just went to WF yesterday to drop off a PX on a separate new purchase! But would buy either of these PPs from my local AD to support their business as I love browsing the stock with a cup of coffee. I'll call them tomorrow and see if they could do a deal for me on the 5164.

[lapince]

I have a 67 and sure the 64 is a bit more substantial, but wether in SS or RG, I think the 67 is the best buy, but that's just me

[lapince]

Originally Posted by kultschar

I guess size wise it goes smallest to biggest:

5167 > 5711 > 5164

Correct?

correct

[justdate]

Originally Posted by dysondiver

im just a 5167 fan ,,, so for me , its the sleek un cluttered form that gives it its simple beauty ,,, two different watches , id take the 5167. to my mind its one of the ultimate sleepers.

I guess that's the question, are they really different watches? Small changes can make all the difference, and totally change the style, feel and usability.

[kilyung]

I much prefer my 5164 over the 5167

[Silver Bullet]

I tried both on yesterday. The '67 does not wear differently in terms of surface area, but it feels lighter and is noticeably thinner. Now, I actually *like* that it's thinner and lighter, but recognize that others want more heft out of their watch. As has been mentioned, it slips under a cuff beautifully and is very stealthy as well as versatile. It's large and shiny enough to be a sports watch, yet, slim and sophisticated enough (what a dial!) to be dressy.

I also don't think that the extra time zone is worth nearly doubling the price.

If there's a problem with the '67 it's that it's viewed as an "entry level" Patek, and lets face it, these watches denote status and that's a significant part of their appeal to a majority of us. So the '67 ends up often being a gateway Patek, often sold or traded up. The '64 is definitely not an entry level Patek, and doesn't seem to suffer from that issue.

You already have a 5205, so the latter is not an issue for you. IMO, the '67 is a great second Patek and summer watch. In fact, if you got the *67, you pretty much have my personal 2-watch collection of choice.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by justdate

Very interesting, that's helpful thanks. It's surprising even with the 'same' design how much difference the thickness makes to the overall look.

My concern with the extra cost of the 5164 is that for my intended purposes of a watch to use for outdoors days, it might be a bit expensive. Just not sure how comfortable I would be with it on my wrist trying to get the anchor winch unjammed for example! That point is very relative of course.

How easily do these two models get scratched up? I wear a 5205R daily and am so surprised that it has not picked up a single scratch. Whereas a couple of months with an AP ROO it was a mess! So do consider this as an important factor.



Yes, to me the price of the 5167 is a bit lower than I'd have expected and the 5164 a bit higher than I'd have expected. So the difference ends up being a lot more than you necessarily would imagine / can justify! But that is pretty much the story with all watches

True WF have small discounts on both models, actually just went to WF yesterday to drop off a PX on a separate new purchase! But would buy either of these PPs from my local AD to support their business as I love browsing the stock with a cup of coffee. I'll call them tomorrow and see if they could do a deal for me on the 5164.

The 64 is at a discount but I thought the 67 was at least 1K over retail, or might have been somewhere else. I was in there today BTW, nice and empty after the lunch rush.

[RinkRolex]

Originally Posted by kilyung

I much prefer my 5164 over the 5167

[WAK4]

I've actually gone from 5164 to 5167, and couldn't be happier. I prefer the Rolex GMT for travel and tracking time zones, so the complication ended up not being the attraction I first thought.

The thinness of the 5167 along with the cleaner dial and easy to read date window is what I found I prefer for this one. At the moment, I can't justify the premium when I prefer wearing the cheaper one anyway.

As for size...my wrist is in the 7.5-7.75 inch range and I find it fits just fine.

[kultschar]

Originally Posted by WAK4

I've actually gone from 5164 to 5167, and couldn't be happier. I prefer the Rolex GMT for travel and tracking time zones, so the complication ended up not being the attraction I first thought.

The thinness of the 5167 along with the cleaner dial and easy to read date window is what I found I prefer for this one. At the moment, I can't justify the premium when I prefer wearing the cheaper one anyway.

As for size...my wrist is in the 7.5-7.75 inch range and I find it fits just fine.

Nice to see on a larger wrist. I am down for a 5711 and also eyeing up a 5167 and must admit still a little weary about what they will be like on my 7.2" wrist

Any more pics???

[JorgeCCW]

5167R, but if u can't do colored gold then maybe check AP divers.

[WAK4]

Originally Posted by kultschar

Nice to see on a larger wrist. I am down for a 5711 and also eyeing up a 5167 and must admit still a little weary about what they will be like on my 7.2" wrist

Any more pics???

I'm waiting on a blue 5711 to arrive at my AD myself. Some time this first quarter I hope.

Here are a some more pics, along with the 5164:

[Oryx]

Originally Posted by pamy104

Great question and one I tried to get clarity myself. Only tried and true ownership finally made my direction. I started with the 5167A with the same rational you did but ended up trading that in with another piece to get a 5164A, plus some cash. I really liked the 5167A but it was a little too small in diameter and thickness. Since getting the 5164A it has never left my wrist, tux, suit, jeans, shorts. Most versatile piece I have ever owned.

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Likewise here - I thought hard about the upgrade cost but in my opinion the premium for the 5164 is totally justified.

[kultschar]

Thanks for the pics Bill - much appreciated!!

Good luck on the 5711 :)

[jay_kay]

Ive been very close to buying a 5164 but the style of the date just doesn't work for me. Other than the the watch is beautiful.

[kultschar]

Agree on 5164 date. Its the one thing im also not keen on

[WAK4]

Originally Posted by jay_kay

Ive been very close to buying a 5164 but the style of the date just doesn't work for me. Other than the the watch is beautiful.

Originally Posted by kultschar

Agree on 5164 date. Its the one thing im also not keen on

To be honest, I may not have gotten out of the 5164 if the date was like the 5167. I would prefer the thinner 5167 at that point, but not sure I would have made the change since I had committed and made a purchase.

[Rolexavidfan]

For me, it depends on what you have in your collection. Since I have a 5711, I decided to get an Aquanaut with the functionality of a dual time zone. The retro like date is a bonus that will differentiate my 5164 from the 5711. Cheers!


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