New guy interested in Panerai

[Coffee]

I've absolutely fallen in love with the look of these watches and the price. Very afforable, and gorgeous. I'm thinking about getting a GMT complication.. Could you guys tell me about these watches and help me pull the trigger? I've only dealt with Rolex so far but I'm ready to move on. Do they appreciate in value and don't depreciate? How's the movements, what complications would you suggest? Sorry for being a noob

[denmanproject]

Check out the 233

[Canook]

i wouldnt buy one new, you can get a mint one complete for a decent price second hand or a grey dealer ... unless you intend to keep it forever then the depreciation wont matter.

They are fantastic watches and beautifully finished, many styles and configurations based around a similar style. Comes down to personal choice, i hunted around for mine (Pam359) and got a 6mth old one for $3k less then retail with an extra strap(both original are unused)
There was alot of chatter about 4 years ago that they were a "fad" and the "big watch" thing would die out. They seem to have stood the test and are still going quite strong

[Ian Macdermott]

Just have a look around and try on some then go for the one that sings to you

I bought my 1st one a 359 new and got a very decent discount by not taking the 0% finance option. My next one a 027 ( I'm hooked ) I bought used boxed as new condition serviced and warranted for 2 years and saved a fortune, which I then can spend on straps

[Cru Jones]

welcome! take your time, learn about the brand and explore the many options.

there are several schools of thought when it comes to panerai, with one key school saying that the more simple, the better. the most extreme examples of this include the 000, 112, 176, 210, 232, 292, 372, 390, 562, 643...all of which are manual wind, two hands and the classic 3/6/9/12 on the dial. these are referred to as "base" models.

beyond these most "pure" panerai are many options.

some of the traditional ones that add a seconds hand but retain the manual include the 005, 111, 177, 422 and 564.

after that, GMTs include the 88 and 320 (auto) and 233 (manual). there are some other recent ones i can't remember, mostly because they have faux patina, and i'm not a fan. ;-)

as stated above, the 233 is a fantastic option. try to buy used to save some money and avoid depreciation (depreciation mostly because the MSRP is so $$$$).

then there are autos with modified ETA movements (104, 164) and in-house (312 and other 1950 models, like the 359 mentioned above).

then there are subs and chronos....the list goes on and one, depending on what you want and your budget.

oh, and you might want to consider case (bettarini luminor? 1950s luminor? radiomir? 1940 radiomir?), material (SS? Ti? ceramic? composite? PVD? PM?), whether a long power reserve is important and type of lugs (screw? pin? quick change?).

good luck!

[Sub*Man]

I bought my 005 and paid a slight discount to retail. You will find less discount on the harder to find models. I'm a Rolex guy all day - always will be. But I love my Pam and I would never sell. I probably wouldn't buy another Pam though unless it fell i my lap. One is enough for me, whereas I have several more Rolexes to buy, along with a few other makes. For Pam - The changing of straps is fun but be careful of the lugs. In terms of appreciation/depreciation - only Rolex and Patek hold their value well, all others you "make" your money on them when you buy, so discounted retail, grey or second hand is your best bet.

[tphan619]

Pam111

[Lordofrolex]

I really like my PAM 359 but may be willing to sell it. PM me if you are interested in that model.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

welcome! take your time, learn about the brand and explore the many options.

there are several schools of thought when it comes to panerai, with one key school saying that the more simple, the better. the most extreme examples of this include the 000, 112, 176, 210, 232, 292, 372, 390, 562, 643...all of which are manual wind, two hands and the classic 3/6/9/12 on the dial. these are referred to as "base" models.

beyond these most "pure" panerai are many options.

some of the traditional ones that add a seconds hand but retain the manual include the 005, 111, 177, 422 and 564.

after that, GMTs include the 88 and 320 (auto) and 233 (manual). there are some other recent ones i can't remember, mostly because they have faux patina, and i'm not a fan. ;-)

as stated above, the 233 is a fantastic option. try to buy used to save some money and avoid depreciation (depreciation mostly because the MSRP is so $$$$).

then there are autos with modified ETA movements (104, 164) and in-house (312 and other 1950 models, like the 359 mentioned above).

then there are subs and chronos....the list goes on and one, depending on what you want and your budget.

oh, and you might want to consider case (bettarini luminor? 1950s luminor? radiomir? 1940 radiomir?), material (SS? Ti? ceramic? composite? PVD? PM?), whether a long power reserve is important and type of lugs (screw? pin? quick change?).

good luck!

Really great advice from someone who knows

[Lordofrolex]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

welcome! take your time, learn about the brand and explore the many options.

there are several schools of thought when it comes to panerai, with one key school saying that the more simple, the better. the most extreme examples of this include the 000, 112, 176, 210, 232, 292, 372, 390, 562, 643...all of which are manual wind, two hands and the classic 3/6/9/12 on the dial. these are referred to as "base" models.

beyond these most "pure" panerai are many options.

some of the traditional ones that add a seconds hand but retain the manual include the 005, 111, 177, 422 and 564.

after that, GMTs include the 88 and 320 (auto) and 233 (manual). there are some other recent ones i can't remember, mostly because they have faux patina, and i'm not a fan. ;-)

as stated above, the 233 is a fantastic option. try to buy used to save some money and avoid depreciation (depreciation mostly because the MSRP is so $$$$).

then there are autos with modified ETA movements (104, 164) and in-house (312 and other 1950 models, like the 359 mentioned above).

then there are subs and chronos....the list goes on and one, depending on what you want and your budget.

oh, and you might want to consider case (bettarini luminor? 1950s luminor? radiomir? 1940 radiomir?), material (SS? Ti? ceramic? composite? PVD? PM?), whether a long power reserve is important and type of lugs (screw? pin? quick change?).

good luck!

You probably made his head explode. The best way is to take all these questions that are mentioned here and go to the boutique and have them show you all these option and case types.

[kilyung]

233 would be how I'd start over

[Rebel]

Welcome.

[Maltie]

233 is a solid choice and when you look around carefully you can find even a brand new one in the grey market for about 8.5K EUR.

Off course the iconic PAM372 with plexiglass is a solid choice too. This watch shows that simplicity is the ultimate sophistication.

Good luck making your choice !

[Halothane]

Originally Posted by kilyung

233 would be how I'd start over

x 2

[ronin_ph]

http://www.watchpaper.com/2014/07/09...first-panerai/

was contemplating the same question myself yesterday. stumbled on this link.

note: think not having a second hand would bother me.


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[Urosfan]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

welcome! take your time, learn about the brand and explore the many options.

there are several schools of thought when it comes to panerai, with one key school saying that the more simple, the better. the most extreme examples of this include the 000, 112, 176, 210, 232, 292, 372, 390, 562, 643...all of which are manual wind, two hands and the classic 3/6/9/12 on the dial. these are referred to as "base" models.

beyond these most "pure" panerai are many options.

some of the traditional ones that add a seconds hand but retain the manual include the 005, 111, 177, 422 and 564.

after that, GMTs include the 88 and 320 (auto) and 233 (manual). there are some other recent ones i can't remember, mostly because they have faux patina, and i'm not a fan. ;-)

as stated above, the 233 is a fantastic option. try to buy used to save some money and avoid depreciation (depreciation mostly because the MSRP is so $$$$).

then there are autos with modified ETA movements (104, 164) and in-house (312 and other 1950 models, like the 359 mentioned above).

then there are subs and chronos....the list goes on and one, depending on what you want and your budget.

oh, and you might want to consider case (bettarini luminor? 1950s luminor? radiomir? 1940 radiomir?), material (SS? Ti? ceramic? composite? PVD? PM?), whether a long power reserve is important and type of lugs (screw? pin? quick change?).

good luck!

Agree

[masyv6]

Panerai is a cool brand. Worth trying on, certainly. I'm a fan of the Radiomir models. I like the case style and lack of a crown guard. However, that crown guard is to Panerai like the cyclops is to Rolex, so keep that in mind.

[gerzzzzz]

233 is one of my favorite pams.

for first timer it's always better start with base so you have room to purchase more.
if i started with a 233 i would probably be too content with it and wouldn't get more.

if you want to follow my route with a simple 005 (can be substituted with 000, 111, 112, 176, 177), then a 1950 case like 312 (or 320, 321, 351), but hey that dome is pretty cool then add a 233 (or 270, but 233 all the way for me), an optional route is to add a color in the watch winder, so you'll get 289 then you realize why are all my pams 44mm?
that's when you start with base 372, you'll be playing with it for a while admiring how pure pam dna the 372 is, then you'll start exploring radiomir, 1940 case, submersibles. before you realize it'll be more than a dozen of pams in your rotation :)

[Jcgul]

Originally Posted by gerzzzzz

233 is one of my favorite pams.

for first timer it's always better start with base so you have room to purchase more.
if i started with a 233 i would probably be too content with it and wouldn't get more.

if you want to follow my route with a simple 005 (can be substituted with 000, 111, 112, 176, 177), then a 1950 case like 312 (or 320, 321, 351), but hey that dome is pretty cool then add a 233 (or 270, but 233 all the way for me), an optional route is to add a color in the watch winder, so you'll get 289 then you realize why are all my pams 44mm?
that's when you start with base 372, you'll be playing with it for a while admiring how pure pam dna the 372 is, then you'll start exploring radiomir, 1940 case, submersibles. before you realize it'll be more than a dozen of pams in your rotation :)

I bought the 233 as my first PAM, and it is truly stunning and surreal. I love it, and wear it about 80% of the time. It has everything I could want in a pam, and as you said, I have virtually no desire for any other panerai as a result.

[Stebinners]

I have a panerai 312 with p9000 in house movement, i think i like it better than my Rolex GMT purely because no one really know Panerai as much, other than watch guys. Get one you'll love it


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[Ruud Van Driver]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

welcome! take your time, learn about the brand and explore the many options.

there are several schools of thought when it comes to panerai, with one key school saying that the more simple, the better. the most extreme examples of this include the 000, 112, 176, 210, 232, 292, 372, 390, 562, 643...all of which are manual wind, two hands and the classic 3/6/9/12 on the dial. these are referred to as "base" models.

beyond these most "pure" panerai are many options.

some of the traditional ones that add a seconds hand but retain the manual include the 005, 111, 177, 422 and 564.

after that, GMTs include the 88 and 320 (auto) and 233 (manual). there are some other recent ones i can't remember, mostly because they have faux patina, and i'm not a fan. ;-)

as stated above, the 233 is a fantastic option. try to buy used to save some money and avoid depreciation (depreciation mostly because the MSRP is so $$$$).

then there are autos with modified ETA movements (104, 164) and in-house (312 and other 1950 models, like the 359 mentioned above).

then there are subs and chronos....the list goes on and one, depending on what you want and your budget.

oh, and you might want to consider case (bettarini luminor? 1950s luminor? radiomir? 1940 radiomir?), material (SS? Ti? ceramic? composite? PVD? PM?), whether a long power reserve is important and type of lugs (screw? pin? quick change?).

good luck!

Wow, this post alone has increased my knowledge of the brand tenfold. Great post, Cru

OP, read the above and inwardly digest. For your first PAM, personally I'd recommend a new 359 or a mint pre-loved 233. Good luck

[Andad]

Ttiuwp.

You only need one Panerai.....
The RG Radiomir 231...

[Justice12]

I don't pay to much attention to what's in or out, I just really love the brand, the history, the wrist presence. I recently just bought a mint early 112 with sausage dial and it's such a fun watch, matching straps to my outfit etc. Next I'm looking for a Rad 232. Enjoy

[fullcourt]

go and try on a few at a boutique or an ad....the base models are great, my new favorite is the 232, classic panerai.

good luck on your quest

[ajas]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

welcome! take your time, learn about the brand and explore the many options.

there are several schools of thought when it comes to panerai, with one key school saying that the more simple, the better. the most extreme examples of this include the 000, 112, 176, 210, 232, 292, 372, 390, 562, 643...all of which are manual wind, two hands and the classic 3/6/9/12 on the dial. these are referred to as "base" models.

beyond these most "pure" panerai are many options.

some of the traditional ones that add a seconds hand but retain the manual include the 005, 111, 177, 422 and 564.

after that, GMTs include the 88 and 320 (auto) and 233 (manual). there are some other recent ones i can't remember, mostly because they have faux patina, and i'm not a fan. ;-)

as stated above, the 233 is a fantastic option. try to buy used to save some money and avoid depreciation (depreciation mostly because the MSRP is so $$$$).

then there are autos with modified ETA movements (104, 164) and in-house (312 and other 1950 models, like the 359 mentioned above).

then there are subs and chronos....the list goes on and one, depending on what you want and your budget.

oh, and you might want to consider case (bettarini luminor? 1950s luminor? radiomir? 1940 radiomir?), material (SS? Ti? ceramic? composite? PVD? PM?), whether a long power reserve is important and type of lugs (screw? pin? quick change?).

good luck!

Just found this post and it is great.
So informative. Thanks a lot!

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[Tenags89]

What do you all think about the pam510 in gener and the pam510 vs the pam111? I'm thinking about pulling the trigger on a pre-owned 510 but it seems like there aren't a ton available and I'm also more interested in the sandwich and it looks like the my changed the 510 to a sausage.

[B. Doggy]

111

[Tenags89]

Any reason in particular that you like the 111 over the 510, B. Doggy?

[mfer]

Originally Posted by Tenags89

Any reason in particular that you like the 111 over the 510, B. Doggy?

I'd rather have the original and easy to service one (ala 111)