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Old 24 November 2016, 03:08 AM   #1
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Tiffany Dial real or Fake !!!

point out a very interesting discussion on an important Italian forum



http://orologi.forumfree.it/?t=73303947
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Old 24 November 2016, 05:14 AM   #2
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Can't understand Italian but some of the photos are cool.

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Old 24 November 2016, 05:29 AM   #3
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Can't understand Italian but some of the photos are cool.

What year production do you place this watch?
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Old 24 November 2016, 05:38 AM   #4
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What year production do you place this watch?
The point here is that the exact same dial is shown with and without the Tiffany print.
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Old 24 November 2016, 05:54 AM   #5
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Great so what is the point in the Italian forum?
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Old 24 November 2016, 06:21 AM   #6
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The dial has been altered by the current seller or someone else who has been in possession of the watch. The same watch was sold previously and it did not contain the Tiffany branding on the dial. Someone purchased the watch and added Tiffany to the same dial which didn't have the Tiffany previously. In the thread, they clearly post photos of the same defects in both dials so there is no question that the original dial was altered to add the Tiffany branding.

In other words, someone is trying to scam potential buyers.
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Old 24 November 2016, 06:42 AM   #7
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The dial has been altered by the current seller or someone else who has been in possession of the watch. The same watch was sold previously and it did not contain the Tiffany branding on the dial. Someone purchased the watch and added Tiffany to the same dial which didn't have the Tiffany previously. In the thread, they clearly post photos of the same defects in both dials so there is no question that the original dial was altered to add the Tiffany branding.

In other words, someone is trying to scam the potential buyers.
Yup, and what a shame. Now that nice dial is ruined.
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Old 24 November 2016, 09:28 AM   #8
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i'm shocked Springer had to actually explain that....

it wasn't clear enough from the photos? haha
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Old 24 November 2016, 09:31 AM   #9
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Yup, and what a shame. Now that nice dial is ruined.
Good point. It's a shame...
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Old 24 November 2016, 09:56 AM   #10
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Back in the late 80's early 90's there was a second hand dealer in my area that added tiffany to every single watch they sold. Some place in Ohio used to do it for $25 for him and he got another $2-300 for the watches he told me back then. I am certain he was not the only person that did this and the market is flooded with watches and there are so many different fonts. IMHO Impossible for anybody to ever be certain on a tiffany dial.Unless all the original papers etc are there
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Old 24 November 2016, 12:59 PM   #11
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Back in the late 80's early 90's there was a second hand dealer in my area that added tiffany to every single watch they sold. Some place in Ohio used to do it for $25 for him and he got another $2-300 for the watches he told me back then. I am certain he was not the only person that did this and the market is flooded with watches and there are so many different fonts. IMHO Impossible for anybody to ever be certain on a tiffany dial.Unless all the original papers etc are there
This is why I will never buy a Tiffany, Comex, Red, Double Red, MN, Milsub etc etc...
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Old 24 November 2016, 02:06 PM   #12
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Good rule of thumb: All Tiffany dials are fake.
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Old 24 November 2016, 02:13 PM   #13
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Good rule of thumb: All Tiffany dials are fake.
.....without original papers.
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Old 24 November 2016, 02:55 PM   #14
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.....without original papers.
Ah good point, let me rephrase.

All Tiffany dials are fake, regardless of papers. Better?

The point being, nobody stumbles across a full set Tiffany 1680 and just puts it on eBay. If you're willing to pay five times market value or more for basically common models then you better have pictures of the original owner buying the watch from Tiffany and then 40 years of documentation along with it. Hand written antique papers are worth exactly the paper they're printed on.
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Old 24 November 2016, 05:16 PM   #15
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What a waste of a nice glossy guilt exclamation point dial.
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Old 24 November 2016, 05:22 PM   #16
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Ah good point, let me rephrase.

All Tiffany dials are fake, regardless of papers. Better?

The point being, nobody stumbles across a full set Tiffany 1680 and just puts it on eBay. If you're willing to pay five times market value or more for basically common models then you better have pictures of the original owner buying the watch from Tiffany and then 40 years of documentation along with it. Hand written antique papers are worth exactly the paper they're printed on.
Agree. If papers are only evidence one should rule it as fake
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Old 24 November 2016, 06:14 PM   #17
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Serious is the fact that the current owner of this fake Tiffany was considered in Italy a great vintage Rolex expert, in another thread on the same forum, he said that a 16520 always branded Tiffany was patently false. This same 16520 was recently sold at auction Christie here is the link:
http://www.christies.com/lotfinder/L...5-details.aspx
now instead it discovers that he and other alleged experts traders were in possession of some more branded Tiffany rolex with the same buffer used for the 1675 Discussion subject.
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Old 26 November 2016, 08:00 AM   #18
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Agree. If papers are only evidence one should rule it as fake
Not sure I agree. If you have authentic Rolex papers stamped by Tiffany's (not hand-written) and a matching Tiffany's sales receipt, I'd have no problem with it, assuming the papers are confirmed genuine, of course.
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Old 27 November 2016, 09:52 AM   #19
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This is why I will never buy a Tiffany, Comex, Red, Double Red, MN, Milsub etc etc...
Yes, leave those to the smart collectors/aficionados......
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