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View Poll Results: Sub or Exp?? | |||
Keep the Sub-C! | 238 | 55.09% | |
Go for the Exp II 42, you will love it!! | 194 | 44.91% | |
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13 September 2012, 04:02 PM | #31 |
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An observation: I just noticed the Sub C guys just say "Sub C", while the EXP II fans elaborate more in depth as to why they chose the EXP II.
I cannot help but point this out, since it has been a pretty common theme on most of the forum post I have read regarding the "SUB vs. (fill in the blank)" . Sub C fans, I am here to learn! Can you elaborate more as to WHY Sub C?? |
13 September 2012, 06:23 PM | #32 | |
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13 September 2012, 07:10 PM | #33 |
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I own both and will say I'm glad I don't have to make your decision.
The ExpII wears slightly larger but sits lower on the wrist and can say that for me, the ExpII is a bit more comfortable. I do like the shine of the SubC bezel but there are times I feel like toning it down a bit. Glidelock is second to none on the SubC. Hard to explain but the ExpII just screams to be worn. I say give it a try. The ExpII will not disappoint. |
13 September 2012, 07:16 PM | #34 |
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I think the Exp II is a very handsome watch but I only wish Rolex had fitted it with the bigger and more robust Triplock crown instead of only a slightly larger Twinlock.
(I always thought it odd that the GMT IIc got the Triplock and yet the Explorer II, which is presumably for more rugged use, retained the Twinlock). |
13 September 2012, 07:29 PM | #35 |
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Here's my pic which you may have seen before. I love the Exp 2 and actually I've since sold the Sub C because I wasn't wearing it since I got the Exp 2.
With your small wrist though I think the Sub C would fit you better
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13 September 2012, 07:33 PM | #36 | |
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Many other people have said it before me: size has a lot to do with personal taste. So the best possible advice and what you MUST do is spend time in an AD - give wrist-time to the candidates, visit the shop 2 or 3 times, alternate your attire to help you decide what looks best and then, believe me, inside you will know! You will be spending a considerable sum to acquire a close partner for a considerable amount of time - you must get what really warms your insides and to do that you must let yourself free to experience these feelings. Atb. |
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13 September 2012, 08:17 PM | #37 | |
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I had the same reservation when the new Exp II was released, but I find the crown is plenty big enough and very easy & smooth to operate. I also think that if a Triplock had been used, it would have necessitated larger crown guards and thrown off the overall proportions of the case (my guess is that the lugs would then have to be wider to balance the crown guards). The crown snugs down nicely into the guards, but with enough protruding to give it some 'presence' (if that makes sense!) I think a Triplock was used on the GMT II C to make it easier to operate with the rotating bezel (edge protrudes further than a fixed bezel), and also to give it more of a 'Submariner look'
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With regards to the design, the GMT IIc is aimed at the modern businessman - someone who needs a watch to be reliable, practical, and look really sharp with a suit. The Explorer II is very much an outdoorsman's watch, just that little bit more sporty, a little less sophisticated (and I mean that as a compliment). So, you have two watches with extremely similar functions with two different end uses. Clever stuff |
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13 September 2012, 11:15 PM | #39 | |
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13 September 2012, 11:20 PM | #40 |
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Sub for me
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13 September 2012, 11:29 PM | #41 |
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The exp ii is so much more proportioned than the sub. Having owned both I would go exp ii
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14 September 2012, 12:23 AM | #42 |
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Thanks to all... I want to also add that this will be my everyday watch. For weekends and fancier occasions I have my TT Daytona.
I do not have to worry if an EXP II would look good with a suit, but I am sure it shouldnt be a problem! |
14 September 2012, 01:06 AM | #43 |
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@ Sunster - Thanks for the great photos I used of yours! (again!)
@psSmith - Thank you for a really great rundown. This is the first time I have read of the "why" differences of the EXP/SUB crown, and I enjoyed reading your post (along with numerous others I have seen). @GMTmaster - Another well thought out and delivered post. I certainly do not question your knowledge, and value your input on any thread. |
14 September 2012, 01:44 AM | #44 |
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The twinlock plus is a perfect size. The triplock crown would look horrible on this watch.
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14 September 2012, 01:46 AM | #45 |
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Sub C fits my girly wrist better!
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14 September 2012, 02:15 AM | #46 |
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14 September 2012, 07:17 AM | #48 |
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SubC for me
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14 September 2012, 07:18 AM | #49 |
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Keep the Sub
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14 September 2012, 07:27 AM | #50 |
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This Exp ii is going to keep getting more and more attention guys. My favorite Rolex I've owned hands down. My next one will be white though.
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14 September 2012, 07:43 AM | #51 |
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The best advice as always comes from real time wearers and there are some great points made in this thread from those members.
The SubC never managed to gel with me...and I have tried both the LN and LV variants and had them for enough time to form a clear opinion. It was the same with the GMT 2C which was with me for a decent time also. The new case just doesn't work on my wrist. I found i could never seem to size the watch so that I wasn't thinking about it. Just constant fidgeting. This isn't common with others I know who own any of these models. The exp 42 on the other hand is one of th most comfortable watches I own. That and the new DJII smooth bezel which is also fantastic. The case shape and extra size of the explorer II work so well on my wrist. I have never had to adjust it since first sizing the bracelet. The proportions of case and dial are spot on in my eyes. The dial layout and 24 hr hand give the watch a special touch. It really is a seamless integration of all it's parts. The exp 42 works exceptionally well in my rotation....whereas the subC was consistently pushed aside by the DSSD which I find more comfortable (go figure) and just has more that I look for in a watch. or it would be my 16610LV that would be a preferred choice. Both are exceptional models, but my pick would be the exp II 42. Own and wear one for a month and I'd say it'd be a hard one to ever let go. Some pics :
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The EXP really did not seem that much bigger when I tried it on. You just notice the dial a bit more as its bigger (and has a huge orange hand!) I think the value is there but there is just something about the heritage of a SUB! But then again, I can always buy another Sub C, not like theyre discontinued |
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14 September 2012, 07:56 AM | #53 |
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Agree with Dalip above. My Sub LV C feels a little "empty" after the DeepSea (which I also agree, feels better on the wrist ... and that's a lot better). Too sterile? I don't know, maybe it is just the DeepSea honeymoon talking. I wore a 16570 for a few long years and wanted a Sub during all that time.
The GMT C wears too small for whatever reason (in my opinion). The Expy 42 looks very appealing to me.
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The sub that I have ended up with is the 16610LV. For me it fits perfectly, has a maxi dial which I prefer and the optional (and easy) change of insert Some pics:
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14 September 2012, 08:11 AM | #56 |
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Keep the sub.
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14 September 2012, 08:48 AM | #57 |
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I own both a Sub and the Explorer II. Granted my Sub is an older model, however as an owner of both I will comment nonetheless. Size is just going to come down to prefefence. Proportion is slightly off for me on the new SubC. I felt the GMTIIC had this figured out as well until I tried it on. Something just seems off. Only my perception. The Sub is a classic. Has a great military feel and presence. It is very well recognized which brings its own pros and cons that have already been mentioned. It is the quintessential starter watch along with the GMT in the Rolex sports line. The Explorer II is just different. I cannot explain it in any other context. The orange hand pops but is not overpowering. It stands out in size, solves proportion issues, sports the newst Rolex technology, and is avaikable in two very different but worthy dial variations. I like the observation that the Sub is military and the Explorer II is outdoors. The Explorer has everything you need between the Sub and the GMT in one watch.
We are really arguing over hairline differences here. Choose the one that speaks to you but also consider the spirit of the watch. I think both have two very different auras. |
14 September 2012, 11:34 AM | #58 |
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EXII is a beauty!
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14 September 2012, 11:36 AM | #59 |
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exp2. just my op.
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