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GLADIATOR · 30 May 2016, 11:26 AM

Why not ship fakes, buyer will swop out, and you end up with genuine to then sell to shops in Europe.
Adam

Seth789 · 30 May 2016, 06:38 PM

Thanks for telling me that Parcel Pro can do this for me. I will look into them.

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Seth789 · 30 May 2016, 07:59 PM

Adam, would you please leave me alone? I'm an honest person. Stop with the sarcasm.

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Seth789 · 30 May 2016, 09:18 PM

With all the scams you guys have made me aware of, I think the smartest way to sell luxury watches is to find trusted appraisers near the area of the buyer and send the watch to the appraiser. That way, there will be no risk, not by the buyer and not by the seller. And to use Fedex fully insured with Parcel Pro. If I could only find a list of such appraisers, I could limit myself to selling watches to buyers that are within reach of them. The appraiser would act as an intermediary, only giving the buyer the watch once payment was made. Yes, it would mean having to pay the appraiser a small fee for the service, but I think it would be worth it and would allow for much more sales to be made.

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Seth789 · 31 May 2016, 03:07 AM

Or to an escrow service, one that will allow the potential buyer to inspect it before paying for it

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R1@160@alltimes · 31 May 2016, 03:22 AM

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Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

These "type" of threads worry me.
Comments in these open threads may allow scammers to find ways to improve their methods or worse maybe the OP is looking to learn similar tips.

I think (personally) we should be extremely careful tutoring people in protective measures or what identifies a fake.

Just my 2 cents
adam

X2 Especially from brand spanking new members with zero history on TRF smh

Seth789 · 31 May 2016, 04:12 AM

I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm continuing the discussion here:

http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=3254602

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Slippy Chips · 31 May 2016, 04:46 AM

Wow this whole subject has me concerned. I have been ripped off as a buyer on eBay before. Now I need to worry as a seller? I would love to sell on TRF and probably will at some point but your return (potentially) is much higher on eBay, even after fees.

Crown & Calliber offers a consignment service where you sell through them. But their 19.5% cut is pretty steep. I would consider maybe half that to be reasonable.

Has anyone set up a separate bank account that PayPal feeds in to? Then when the payment comes immediately withdraw the funds?

Cryten · 31 May 2016, 06:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Slippy Chips

Wow this whole subject has me concerned. I have been ripped off as a buyer on eBay before. Now I need to worry as a seller?

Ebay and Paypal are not safe for sellers, don't sell anything you can't afford to lose. There are too many scam buyers who know how to play the system. I've had two now, one (an expensive camera lens) I managed to get back, the other (a cheap watch) I didn't.

I would never sell a Rolex on ebay, and I would certainly never accept PayPal for one.

Slippy Chips · 31 May 2016, 10:18 AM

So what about craigslist and doing a face-to-face cash transaction? I realize there are certain personal risks one takes but I am familiar with how to manage those.

southtexas · 31 May 2016, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Slippy Chips

So what about craigslist and doing a face-to-face cash transaction? I realize there are certain personal risks one takes but I am familiar with how to manage those.

That's fine if the F2F is handled properly, but you certainly limit your market by doing so. I've listed several watches for sale locally on CL, and have never once gotten a legit inquiry.

occb2 · 31 May 2016, 03:00 PM

Answer to the question. Don't buy on ebay. You have Rolex or a Trusted dealer if you want that or the best option is to buy from a trusted dealer here on TRF. I am sorry if this is a repeat but I am just answering the question and not reading the full thread.

Seth789 · 31 May 2016, 05:36 PM

"A trusted dealer here on TRF" - how would I find one?

MonBK · 31 May 2016, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Seth789

"A trusted dealer here on TRF" - how would I find one?

Just look in the "who's Who" section.

MonBK · 31 May 2016, 05:51 PM

I'm curious to know how you would protect yourself when buying your stock?

theraven · 31 May 2016, 06:03 PM

The only sure way I think when dealing with Ebay is a face 2 face meeting with a witness on hand and film the transaction. Using PayPal means due to their ridiculous 180 days grace to the buyer & their unscrupulous buyer bias, you cannot presume that that money is yours for just under 6 months. Any dispute started by the buyer with a "not as described" within 180 days means that they will win the case, they will be refunded by PayPal doing a chargeback and if you are lucky you may get your watch back in God knows what state....

southtexas · 1 June 2016, 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

I'm curious to know how you would protect yourself when buying your stock?

Good question.

MonBK · 1 June 2016, 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by southtexas

Good question.

I guess he gave up the plans to become the new DavidSW?

30 May 2016, 11:26 AM	#31
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Why not ship fakes, buyer will swop out, and you end up with genuine to then sell to shops in Europe. Adam

30 May 2016, 06:38 PM	#32
Seth789 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 17	Thanks for telling me that Parcel Pro can do this for me. I will look into them. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

30 May 2016, 07:59 PM	#33
Seth789 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 17	Adam, would you please leave me alone? I'm an honest person. Stop with the sarcasm. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

30 May 2016, 09:18 PM	#34
Seth789 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 17	With all the scams you guys have made me aware of, I think the smartest way to sell luxury watches is to find trusted appraisers near the area of the buyer and send the watch to the appraiser. That way, there will be no risk, not by the buyer and not by the seller. And to use Fedex fully insured with Parcel Pro. If I could only find a list of such appraisers, I could limit myself to selling watches to buyers that are within reach of them. The appraiser would act as an intermediary, only giving the buyer the watch once payment was made. Yes, it would mean having to pay the appraiser a small fee for the service, but I think it would be worth it and would allow for much more sales to be made. Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

31 May 2016, 03:07 AM	#35
Seth789 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 17	Or to an escrow service, one that will allow the potential buyer to inspect it before paying for it Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

31 May 2016, 04:12 AM	#37
Seth789 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 17	I just wanted to let everyone know that I'm continuing the discussion here: http://forums.watchuseek.com/showthread.php?t=3254602 Sent from my Nexus 7 using Tapatalk

31 May 2016, 04:46 AM	#38
Slippy Chips "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dirty South Posts: 629	Wow this whole subject has me concerned. I have been ripped off as a buyer on eBay before. Now I need to worry as a seller? I would love to sell on TRF and probably will at some point but your return (potentially) is much higher on eBay, even after fees. Crown & Calliber offers a consignment service where you sell through them. But their 19.5% cut is pretty steep. I would consider maybe half that to be reasonable. Has anyone set up a separate bank account that PayPal feeds in to? Then when the payment comes immediately withdraw the funds?

31 May 2016, 10:18 AM	#40
Slippy Chips "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: Dirty South Posts: 629	So what about craigslist and doing a face-to-face cash transaction? I realize there are certain personal risks one takes but I am familiar with how to manage those.

31 May 2016, 03:00 PM	#42
occb2 Banned Join Date: Jan 2015 Real Name: Robert Location: New York Watch: Submariner 16610 Posts: 321	Answer to the question. Don't buy on ebay. You have Rolex or a Trusted dealer if you want that or the best option is to buy from a trusted dealer here on TRF. I am sorry if this is a repeat but I am just answering the question and not reading the full thread.

31 May 2016, 05:36 PM	#43
Seth789 "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2016 Location: Tel Aviv Posts: 17	"A trusted dealer here on TRF" - how would I find one?

31 May 2016, 05:51 PM	#45
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,281	I'm curious to know how you would protect yourself when buying your stock?

31 May 2016, 06:03 PM	#46
theraven "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2016 Location: Uk Posts: 11	The only sure way I think when dealing with Ebay is a face 2 face meeting with a witness on hand and film the transaction. Using PayPal means due to their ridiculous 180 days grace to the buyer & their unscrupulous buyer bias, you cannot presume that that money is yours for just under 6 months. Any dispute started by the buyer with a "not as described" within 180 days means that they will win the case, they will be refunded by PayPal doing a chargeback and if you are lucky you may get your watch back in God knows what state....

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