Is SEIKO just another glorified INVICTA?

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

These copying fools are so lacking in their originality that they can't even make a design their own...do something a little original...

[xjeeunitx]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

WAY WAY too many to list ...

Go to ebay and type in "seiko submariner" and you will see sub like seikos and
even OMEGA like seikos...

Here are some GMT color schemes:
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...sc017&_sacat=0

(wow... what are the odds of an insert that is BLUE/BLK ...Rolex has it and SEIKO has it ... and they just recently showed up ... out of all the color combos possible, both have the blue/blk insert..I do not know who copied who but someone copied the color scheme)

http://www.ebay.com/itm/New-Seiko-Di...#ht_318wt_1105

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEIKO-7002-V...#ht_4142wt_958

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEIKO-Mechan...ht_4814wt_1115

http://www.ebay.com/itm/SEIKO-7002-V...#ht_5055wt_958

Look at the bezels ... the inserts ,,, the fonts ... comeon ...I was caught cheating on a test when I was 12yrs old ... the teacher told me that next time, I should change something .. like the order of my answers or put some originality in there to confuse him ...

These copying fools are so lacking in their originality that they can't even make a design their own...do something a little original...


http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...sc019&_sacat=0

It seems as you do not know what you are talking about. You should research before making any off the wall statments.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

My point has to do with design of the watches --- What I am trying to say is that if we look at ROLEX-LIKE designs, SEIKO is just as guilty as INIVICTA of blatantly making ROLEX-like watches and putting their stamp on it.

That's all I am trying to say -- Not comparing quailities of the Seiko vs Invicta. I rank Seiko quality way higher than invicta...

Once again like many of your other post you just do not know what you are talking about.Rolex have not invented every single watch design on this planet thousands of watches look similar, just like they have since wrist watches started way back in the 1900s.

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

Rolex sets the standard and they all copy...

[GB-man]

Sacrilege

[tinger]

Dont see too many Seikos with fluted bezels and cyclops (2 most iconic Rolex design element).

[RolexDivers]

Originally Posted by tinger

Dont see too many Seikos with fluted bezels and cyclops (2 most iconic Rolex design element).

Cyclops -- yes .. not too many seikos with that ..
Fluted Bezels -- dime a dozen -- go to ebay and type "Seiko fluted" ...

Seiko has its own original designs but it has a rolex-like-segment in their company that is tasked to produce rolex-lookalikes ...

We all know that ROLEX is the most copied watch brand in the world -- from counterfeiters to watch companies, they are all doing it ...some more subtly and others more blatantly ...

Look at cars today --- very hard to tell them apart... they are like a hodge podge or a melting pot ... they all look the same ...same goes with watches...Rolex sets the standard and they all copy...

[SearChart]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

Rolex sets the standard and they all copy...

I think you really need to start reading about other watchbrands with history.

[Bangel]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

Just look around and you will find thousands of examples where SEIKO has copied ROLEX designs.

Any chance you could share some examples to back up your claim?

As others have said, similarities in appearance are to some extent unavoidable when it comes to watches. The apparent level of similarity is very subjective.

That said, when I look at Seiko watches on display in the shop window, I see a myriad of styles and "Seiko has copied Rolex designs" is not what I'm thinking.

[drhr]

Totally disagree. If there's a word or phrase that conveys it better, feel free to substitute . . .

[Frosty]

I would equate Seiko with Citizen Eco Drive, never with an Invicta. jmho

[threemonkeys]

I think the OP asked an interesting question as it relates to the uniqueness of Seiko's style. Now that I re-read his question, he's not criticizing the brand on their quality. He's suggesting that - on looks alone - they may not be blazing their own trail.

[DCgator]

Originally Posted by threemonkeys

I think the OP asked an interesting question as it relates to the uniqueness of Seiko's style. Now that I re-read his question, he's not criticizing the brand on their quality. He's suggesting that - on looks alone - they may not be blazing their own trail.

Craig-
Perhaps someone has cataracts that need removing?!? The OP is convinced Seiko copies Rolex design. I don't agree with that claim, nor has anyone agreed. OP has provided zero proof whatsoever to back any claims he has proposed here. Zero.

[threemonkeys]

Originally Posted by DCgator

Craig-
Perhaps someone has cataracts that need removing?!? The OP is convinced Seiko copies Rolex design. I don't agree with that claim, nor has anyone agreed. OP has provided zero proof whatsoever to back any claims he has proposed here. Zero.

Cataracts? Not a kind response to an opinion you disagree with.

Here. Enjoy a pic of my Seiko. Exact copy of a Rolex? No. Many similarities? Yes. I'm not saying Seiko doesn't have originality. But let's face it, these design cues are Rolex-inspired.

I love both brands (see my earlier comment) yet manage not to get incensed over the OP's question.

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by threemonkeys

Cataracts? Not a kind response to an opinion you disagree with.

Here. Enjoy a pic of my Seiko. Exact copy of a Rolex? No. Many similarities? Yes. I'm not saying Seiko doesn't have originality. But let's face it, these design cues are Rolex-inspired.

I love both brands (see my earlier comment) yet manage not to get incensed over the OP's question.

I'm sorry craig, I just don't see it.











Just kidding

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by tjspark

I'm sorry craig, I just don't see it.


Just kidding

excellent

[GradyPhilpott]

Originally Posted by threemonkeys

Cataracts? Not a kind response to an opinion you disagree with.

Here. Enjoy a pic of my Seiko. Exact copy of a Rolex? No. Many similarities? Yes. I'm not saying Seiko doesn't have originality. But let's face it, these design cues are Rolex-inspired.

I love both brands (see my earlier comment) yet manage not to get incensed over the OP's question.

The real point should be not so much that Seiko has designed watches in the style of Rolex and others, but that many watch companies make watches with derivative styling, so what sense does it make to stick it to Seiko, especially when such is not their stock in trade, as with Invicta.

Every Seiko you buy has an in-house movement and you know that those are powerful words in the WIS community.

[RolexDivers]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

.... so what sense does it make to stick it to Seiko, especially when such is not their stock in trade, as with Invicta.
.....

If you look at Invicta watches, most are their original designs, just like SEIKO. Only a small percentage of their production line is ROLEX inspired, just like SEIKO.

The reason I picked SEIKO is that SEIKO was my first analog watch. If I have a $100 to spend on a watch, I would look for a SEIKO. And if you look around, SEIKO is probably the most mass produced watch on people's wrist today all over the world, even moreso than the g-shock.

[threemonkeys]

Originally Posted by GradyPhilpott

The real point should be not so much that Seiko has designed watches in the style of Rolex and others, but that many watch companies make watches with derivative styling, so what sense does it make to stick it to Seiko, especially when such is not their stock in trade, as with Invicta.

Every Seiko you buy has an in-house movement and you know that those are powerful words in the WIS community.

As always - very well said, Grady.

[incontrol]

Seiko's inexpensive quartz watches everyone sees at the mall certainly have design cues that have features similar to Rolex. I see nothing in their better watches that even resembles slightly a Rolex. They are an amazing company that manufactures nearly every single part that makes up a watch, including the lubricant! They are not in the same world as Invicta.

[lig]

Seiko has a rich tradition of innovation. I'd much rather have a GS or Spring Drive Seiko than any Hublot. Cannot believe this is even a serious question.

[MitchSteel]

I think Seiko holds the record for the number of different models ever produced over the years.

[antbkny]

Seiko makes good stuff IMHO
My orange monster

[jolimont]

Originally Posted by RolexDivers

Hi folks,

I used tohave lots of respect for SEIKO as a pound per poud the best bang for your buck -- good mass produced, watches for the masses ....as far as value is concerned, the respect still stands but as a company, I rate them no higher than INVICTA when it comes to lack of originality.

I am also seeing that like INVICTA's habit of blatantly copying ROLEX designs, SEIKO is no less. Just look around and you will find thousands of examples where SEIKO has copied ROLEX designs.

SEIKOSs and INVICTAs make for good beater watches and good value but both are guilty of copying ROLEX designs.

Not trying to start a flame war here but I do not see ROLEX copying anyone's designs ...(except for the hodtorical 50fathoms thing with the submariner but that was long time ago).

OR

Maybe watches are such a small thing that there is not much you can do to them without looking like someone else's design???

I am not sure but definitely I do not rank SEIKO as high as I used to.

thank you

troll post? I see you own some seikos

Pls send those to me, i will take them off your hands

[Armyguy03]

Seikos have been and are still military issue watches for the US Navy. Started, if I am correct, during Vietnam. I've personally researched this fact and asked a few old Navy divers and they confirmed. In fact, the Seiko SKX 007, in some circles is "THE" watch to own if you're in the Navy. It was also my first automatic watch and I didn't think it looked anything like a Rolex. I've even gifted a SKX 009 to a friend who got hired at Pepsi Co.

[dysondiver]

Originally Posted by Armyguy03

Seikos have been and are still military issue watches for the US Navy. Started, if I am correct, during Vietnam. I've personally researched this fact and asked a few old Navy divers and they confirmed. In fact, the Seiko SKX 007, in some circles is "THE" watch to own if you're in the Navy. It was also my first automatic watch and I didn't think it looked anything like a Rolex. I've even gifted a SKX 009 to a friend who got hired at Pepsi Co.

a guy i know who was an ex comex diver told me that when the seiko quartz watches were available the divers were trading rolexes for seiko ,,, how times change eh

[RolexExplor]

Originally Posted by Armyguy03

Seikos have been and are still military issue watches for the US Navy. Started, if I am correct, during Vietnam. I've personally researched this fact and asked a few old Navy divers and they confirmed. In fact, the Seiko SKX 007, in some circles is "THE" watch to own if you're in the Navy. It was also my first automatic watch and I didn't think it looked anything like a Rolex. I've even gifted a SKX 009 to a friend who got hired at Pepsi Co.

my dads vietnam seiko

[bungcarlo]

Seiko imho is the best watch the Japanese ever produced. They're best sellers and they've been in the business since 1881, but Invicta on the other hand

[SearChart]

This is going way too far... there are so many similarities between watches that it would be shallow to name them as Rolex copies.

Seiko has dive watches that have similarities with the Rolex submariner, they're definitely not copies. Perhaps Rolex is the one who copies here as Seiko is the older brand...

Seriously stop the flame already.

[subtona]

Seiko was my first good & proper watch, served me well & earned my respect.

but, if its a beater your looking for, i nominate the rolex submariner, that was my beater for a very long time!

Only exceptions perhaps being working with masonry....thats it... For that i would use my explorer II.

Cheers

[nolawis]

Seiko does make a few watches that are similar to iconic Rolex designs. Not identical, but similar. The one that pops to mind first is their homage to the Datejust. I don't know the model number but I have one that belonged to my grandfather. The battery has long since died and he replaced the bracelet with one of those springy jobs, but I loved him and therefore it's one of the few that will be around until I kick the bucket. I think of it less as a ripoff and more of a watch for the man who likes the classic Datejust look but doesn't have the gelt or the desire to spring for a Rolex. No hate here. And when I did get my grandfather's treasure box, there was the Seiko, a gold Omega, a ring from the Shriners and his Navy ID from the War. No Invicta.




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