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DJJon · 17 October 2013, 10:17 AM

Today's e-mail blast from WatchTime (yeah, I know, they are more about headlines then substance) suggests that Tissot is going to make a point to de-throne Rolex as #1 in most watches COSC certified per year with their new 80 hour Power Reserve Automatic.

My thought is: go ahead and COSC 1,000,000 units to beat out Rolex, then find yourself with 500,000 leftover COSC certified movements to figure out what to do with. Tissot is a venerable brand name with recognition but that alone probably won't sell them all.

Your thoughts?

kieselguhr · 17 October 2013, 10:31 AM

I don't think Rolex would even care.

subtona · 17 October 2013, 10:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJon

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My thought is: go ahead and COSC 1,000,000 units to beat out Rolex, then find yourself with 500,000 leftover COSC certified movements to figure out what to do with. Tissot is a venerable brand name with recognition but that alone probably won't sell them all.

Your thoughts?

I think you summed it up well

nikhsub1 · 17 October 2013, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

I don't think Rolex would even care.

This. If people buy a Rolex because they certify the most watches per year, I'll eat crow.

kilyung · 17 October 2013, 10:42 AM

I love my non-COSC watches.

Racerdj · 17 October 2013, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

i don't think rolex would even care.

+1

GradyPhilpott · 17 October 2013, 11:22 AM

If they are doing it to "dethrone" Rolex, then Tissot is run by idiots.

If they are doing it to spiff up their image, then I guess it might work.

I'm sure that their marketing department has done some research on the matter.

threemonkeys · 17 October 2013, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by kilyung

I love my non-COSC watches.

X2. My Air King is non-COSC and that's just fine with me. I can't imagine Rolex would even care from a marketing standpoint (quality vs quantity).

c.rod · 17 October 2013, 11:59 AM

i used to care about cosc. i really dont anymore. i take more stake in the brand, what they do to the movt etc...

Tools · 17 October 2013, 12:06 PM

I suppose that Tissot could do that.. They do sell more watches per year than Rolex.

But I have to agree with everybody else. What would be the point ??

cop414 · 17 October 2013, 12:14 PM

Have to agree... and the most accurate watch I've ever owned is not COSC certified.

SLS · 17 October 2013, 12:19 PM

I agree with Grady....The only positive point I can see, is from the marketing aspect of Tissot...all of a sudden the media is making statements of Tissot taking X from Rolex. Rolex has a very strong brand name, whereas Tissot, not so much. So the general public sees that Tissot has more COSC certifications than Rolex, for the non WIS, this may say that Tissot is equal to or greater than Rolex. Even when your a huge underdog, being compared to the Gold Standard is a good thing. Just a random thought!
Scott

Chewbacca · 17 October 2013, 01:11 PM

its worth the $25 for each cert to tissot but rolex probably doesn't care. if anything, rolex will do what pp, ap and jlc etc do and make their own testing standards inhouse.

ecsub44 · 17 October 2013, 01:17 PM

Question: What's the value of a COSC certification?

Answer: Zero point zero.

Singslinger · 17 October 2013, 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kilyung

I love my non-COSC watches.

+1 !!

Bangel · 17 October 2013, 02:17 PM

The COSC stat for may be significant to the uninitiated buyer.

polarinda · 17 October 2013, 02:23 PM

my cosced ex 16750 matte was 30 secs off perday.

loved it!

polarinda · 17 October 2013, 02:23 PM

my cosced ex 16750 matte was 30 secs off perday.

loved it!

padi56 · 17 October 2013, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DJJon

Today's e-mail blast from WatchTime (yeah, I know, they are more about headlines then substance) suggests that Tissot is going to make a point to de-throne Rolex as #1 in most watches COSC certified per year with their new 80 hour Power Reserve Automatic.

My thought is: go ahead and COSC 1,000,000 units to beat out Rolex, then find yourself with 500,000 leftover COSC certified movements to figure out what to do with. Tissot is a venerable brand name with recognition but that alone probably won't sell them all.

Your thoughts?

Well first Rolex is the biggest independent manufacturer to have movements tested at the COSC. And seeing Tissot is part of the Swatch group there total movements tested each year would be greater than Rolex .And today any COSC tested watch is not the holy grail of watch making far from it.

MonBK · 17 October 2013, 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

I don't think Rolex would even care.

Neither would I.

tavv160 · 17 October 2013, 05:10 PM

I don't really see the link between Rolex and Tissot. Completely different target audience. Nobody will take this into account when buying a Rolex. I care very little about COSC and I care even less that Tissot has more COSC certified watches than Rolex. My fabourite watches aren't even COSC certified, and I couldn't care less. Just my two cents.

MitchSteel · 17 October 2013, 05:34 PM

Who is this Tissot?

gpfps · 17 October 2013, 10:44 PM

I wish what PP does, do there own in house testing !

anilzat · 17 October 2013, 10:44 PM

rolex has proven they will always be a number one watch maker

Cru Jones · 17 October 2013, 10:46 PM

marketing....despite it not actually meaning much, COSC certification is an easy way to say "quality".

Brandon(phila) · 17 October 2013, 11:13 PM

That's good...but will the movements be swiss made???

I had a couple Tissot's back in the day. (at least 15 years ago)
Had a Ti 200m WR diver pretty cool for less than $400
and I had a more dressy watch in which I sold to a friend of mine...told him it's a good swiss made watch. I probably sold it to him for $150

A month later he calls me, says the back fell off and there was a sticker that said made in Hong Kong. I was pretty disappointed and contacted thier customer service.
They actually wrote me back that some of the parts are made overseas to keep cost down but all assembled in Switzerland.
I think they were full of it, b/c why would they leave that sticker on there.

But for a few hundred $$ what can you expect.

Cc1966 · 17 October 2013, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brandon(phila)

That's good...but will the movements be swiss made???

I had a couple Tissot's back in the day. (at least 15 years ago)
Had a Ti 200m WR diver pretty cool for less than $400
and I had a more dressy watch in which I sold to a friend of mine...told him it's a good swiss made watch. I probably sold it to him for $150

A month later he calls me, says the back fell off and there was a sticker that said made in Hong Kong. I was pretty disappointed and contacted thier customer service.
They actually wrote me back that some of the parts are made overseas to keep cost down but all assembled in Switzerland.
I think they were full of it, b/c why would they leave that sticker on there.

But for a few hundred $$ what can you expect.

Wow...never heard of that about Tissot! Thanks

landroverking · 18 October 2013, 12:49 AM

Well there are so many movements that are never tested its no longer a big deal.
No movements from Japan or German movements so why is the big news.
Swatch group makes great watches Tissot once part of Omego now Swatch group no big deal, it's all marketing.

Tools · 18 October 2013, 12:54 AM

Let's not disparage a good brand...

Tissot is not likely to ever have a "sticker" inside that would say "Hong Kong".. I would say that is total BS unless proved otherwise.. (or the Tissot in question is a fake)

Tissot and Omega merged decades ago (~1930) then were bought up by the Swatch Group in the 80's.. ETA movements, Swiss Made and typical Swiss markings inside.. Hong Kong sticker ??? - Unlikely !!!

viper9669 · 18 October 2013, 01:28 AM

I have seen some Tissot watches at retail, they need to spruce up the watch designs pronto before they even start talking COSC, imho.

17 October 2013, 11:22 AM	#7
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,350	If they are doing it to "dethrone" Rolex, then Tissot is run by idiots. If they are doing it to spiff up their image, then I guess it might work. I'm sure that their marketing department has done some research on the matter. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

17 October 2013, 12:06 PM	#10
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,068	I suppose that Tissot could do that.. They do sell more watches per year than Rolex. But I have to agree with everybody else. What would be the point ?? __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

17 October 2013, 12:14 PM	#11
cop414 TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: Apr 2012 Real Name: Tim Location: Pennsylvania Watch: 14060M Posts: 71,838	Have to agree... and the most accurate watch I've ever owned is not COSC certified. __________________ Rolex Submariner 14060M Omega Seamaster 2254.50 DOXA Professional 1200T Card carrying member of TRF's Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons TRF's "After Dark" Bar & NightClub Patron P Club Member #17 2 FA ENABLED

17 October 2013, 12:19 PM	#12
SLS "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Scott Location: GMT -7 Watch: GMT's & Sub's Posts: 10,399	I agree with Grady....The only positive point I can see, is from the marketing aspect of Tissot...all of a sudden the media is making statements of Tissot taking X from Rolex. Rolex has a very strong brand name, whereas Tissot, not so much. So the general public sees that Tissot has more COSC certifications than Rolex, for the non WIS, this may say that Tissot is equal to or greater than Rolex. Even when your a huge underdog, being compared to the Gold Standard is a good thing. Just a random thought! Scott __________________ "The bitterness of poor quality remains long after the sweetness of lower price is forgotten." -Benjamin Franklin Member No. 922

17 October 2013, 01:17 PM	#14
ecsub44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: US Watch: Sub Posts: 3,175	Question: What's the value of a COSC certification? Answer: Zero point zero. __________________ *侘寂 -- wabi-sabi --* acceptance of transience and imperfection by finding beauty in that which is imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete Commissioner of WEIRD POLICE , Badge # ecsub44

17 October 2013, 10:17 AM	#1
DJJon "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Real Name: Jon Location: USA Watch: DJ - Need Sub Bad Posts: 1,889	Rolex to be toppled from #1 on COSC List? Today's e-mail blast from WatchTime (yeah, I know, they are more about headlines then substance) suggests that Tissot is going to make a point to de-throne Rolex as #1 in most watches COSC certified per year with their new 80 hour Power Reserve Automatic. My thought is: go ahead and COSC 1,000,000 units to beat out Rolex, then find yourself with 500,000 leftover COSC certified movements to figure out what to do with. Tissot is a venerable brand name with recognition but that alone probably won't sell them all. Your thoughts?

17 October 2013, 10:31 AM	#2
kieselguhr "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Real Name: Nick Location: Las Vegas Watch: 1601 Posts: 10,447	I don't think Rolex would even care.

17 October 2013, 10:42 AM	#5
kilyung 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Cave Watch: Sundial Posts: 33,873	I love my non-COSC watches.

17 October 2013, 11:59 AM	#9
c.rod "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Midwest Posts: 1,252	i used to care about cosc. i really dont anymore. i take more stake in the brand, what they do to the movt etc...

17 October 2013, 01:11 PM	#13
Chewbacca Banned Join Date: May 2012 Real Name: CJ Location: Kashyyyk Watch: Kessel Run Chrono Posts: 21,113	its worth the $25 for each cert to tissot but rolex probably doesn't care. if anything, rolex will do what pp, ap and jlc etc do and make their own testing standards inhouse.

17 October 2013, 02:17 PM	#16
Bangel "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Location: Australia Watch: 116610LN Posts: 15,802	The COSC stat for may be significant to the uninitiated buyer.

17 October 2013, 02:23 PM	#17
polarinda "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Trav Location: singapore Watch: it Posts: 2,312	my cosced ex 16750 matte was 30 secs off perday. loved it!

17 October 2013, 05:10 PM	#21
tavv160 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Real Name: Tony Location: UK Watch: AP, Rolex, JLC... Posts: 631	I don't really see the link between Rolex and Tissot. Completely different target audience. Nobody will take this into account when buying a Rolex. I care very little about COSC and I care even less that Tissot has more COSC certified watches than Rolex. My fabourite watches aren't even COSC certified, and I couldn't care less. Just my two cents. __________________ Kind Regards, Tony.

17 October 2013, 05:34 PM	#22
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	Who is this Tissot?

17 October 2013, 10:44 PM	#23
gpfps Banned Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: George Location: Detroit Michigan Watch: 18078 Posts: 1,142	I wish what PP does, do there own in house testing !

17 October 2013, 10:44 PM	#24
anilzat Banned Join Date: Sep 2013 Real Name: John Williams Location: Alaska outback Watch: GMT Posts: 1,051	rolex has proven they will always be a number one watch maker

17 October 2013, 10:46 PM	#25
Cru Jones 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Paris, France Posts: 34,519	marketing....despite it not actually meaning much, COSC certification is an easy way to say "quality".

17 October 2013, 11:13 PM	#26
Brandon(phila) "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: Brandon Location: Phila burbs Watch: DSSD Posts: 755	That's good...but will the movements be swiss made??? I had a couple Tissot's back in the day. (at least 15 years ago) Had a Ti 200m WR diver pretty cool for less than $400 and I had a more dressy watch in which I sold to a friend of mine...told him it's a good swiss made watch. I probably sold it to him for $150 A month later he calls me, says the back fell off and there was a sticker that said made in Hong Kong. I was pretty disappointed and contacted thier customer service. They actually wrote me back that some of the parts are made overseas to keep cost down but all assembled in Switzerland. I think they were full of it, b/c why would they leave that sticker on there. But for a few hundred $$ what can you expect.

18 October 2013, 12:49 AM	#28
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	Well there are so many movements that are never tested its no longer a big deal. No movements from Japan or German movements so why is the big news. Swatch group makes great watches Tissot once part of Omego now Swatch group no big deal, it's all marketing.

18 October 2013, 12:54 AM	#29
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,068	Let's not disparage a good brand... Tissot is not likely to ever have a "sticker" inside that would say "Hong Kong".. I would say that is total BS unless proved otherwise.. (or the Tissot in question is a fake) Tissot and Omega merged decades ago (~1930) then were bought up by the Swatch Group in the 80's.. ETA movements, Swiss Made and typical Swiss markings inside.. Hong Kong sticker ??? - Unlikely !!! __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

18 October 2013, 01:28 AM	#30
viper9669 "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2013 Real Name: Patrick Location: SIN Watch: Rolex Posts: 5,066	I have seen some Tissot watches at retail, they need to spruce up the watch designs pronto before they even start talking COSC, imho.

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