“Unicorn” Daytona Ref. 6265

[SignotheTimes]

Some reading at the turn of the year.

https://perezcope.com/2022/12/31/rol...kenstein-plot/

I wish you all a good start to the New Year. 🎇

[rockmastermike]

more good work by perezcope

I need to learn a lot more before even thinking about a 6262 (my new obsession)

[FrenchBigCrown]

Originally Posted by rockmastermike

more good work by perezcope

I need to learn a lot more before even thinking about a 6262 (my new obsession)

Good choice dude.

I have a sigma-dialled 6262 - it's lovely (if I do say so myself.)

[pereztroika]

Originally Posted by FrenchBigCrown

I have a sigma-dialled 6262 - it's lovely (if I do say so myself.)

That's quite a rarity. Not many were made. Can you share the details of your watch for my database please?

Cheers
Jose

[shaunylw]

Originally Posted by pereztroika

That's quite a rarity. Not many were made. Can you share the details of your watch for my database please?

Cheers
Jose

Nice write up! Well done.


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[Dan S]

These contrarian blog posts are always fun to read, and seem well researched. There are very few people whose integrity is incorruptible when big money is at stake. The high-end watch world is notoriously corrupt IMO, and Rolex facilitates this by refusing to open their archives.

In the current system, it seems that famous auctioneers, dealers, and collectors can collude to create a shadow world of high value watches that have no actual provenance. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone claim that a watch must be legit, simply because it was sold by a certain auction house or a famous dealer; they even call such a sale "provenance", which of course it is not. It is insane that someone would pay millions for a supposedly unique item that has not truly been thoroughly vetted by an independent expert, only by people with self-interest in the sale.

[Crown & Shield]

Originally Posted by Dan S

These contrarian blog posts are always fun to read, and seem well researched. There are very few people whose integrity is incorruptible when big money is at stake. The high-end watch world is notoriously corrupt IMO, and Rolex facilitates this by refusing to open their archives.

In the current system, it seems that famous auctioneers, dealers, and collectors can collude to create a shadow world of high value watches that have no actual provenance. I can't tell you how many times I've heard someone claim that a watch must be legit, simply because it was sold by a certain auction house or a famous dealer; they even call such a sale "provenance", which of course it is not. It is insane that someone would pay millions for a supposedly unique item that has not truly been thoroughly vetted by an independent expert, only by people with self-interest in the sale.

Well put

[TuRo]

Thanks Stt. As ever it's brilliant sleuth work by Jose. Correct on sigma, thousand cut pushers etc etc...

The higher the pyramid (rarity/cost) the more gullible and self-regarding/peacocking the audience are, is what I've found at high status auctions for cars/watches/guitars/motorcycles.... having attended many over the last 40yrs !

You get lazy buyers (who are usually parking their money as a new fangled investment), who rely on 'experts' - many of whom are on their own payroll, or on commission.... goading them to bid against another self-regarding peacock.... until one is the 'winner' of a hugely overpriced 'prize' that they'll be buried in until the next high profile auction snaffles another naive millionaire !

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Thanks Stt. As ever it's brilliant sleuth work by Jose. Correct on sigma, thousand cut pushers etc etc...

The higher the pyramid (rarity/cost) the more gullible and self-regarding/peacocking the audience are, is what I've found at high status auctions for cars/watches/guitars/motorcycles.... having attended many over the last 40yrs !

You get lazy buyers (who are usually parking their money as a new fangled investment), who rely on 'experts' - many of whom are on their own payroll, or on commission.... goading them to bid against another self-regarding peacock.... until one is the 'winner' of a hugely overpriced 'prize' that they'll be buried in until the next high profile auction snaffles another naive millionaire !

Beautifully put & well done Jose. Fantastic read.

[FrenchBigCrown]

More good work by perezcope.

[Kingface66]

It would serve Hodinkee well to not only address this, but come clean. Not that I have much faith in their profit-over-integrity persona.

[inadeje]

Originally Posted by Kingface66

It would serve Hodinkee well to not only address this, but come clean. Not that I have much faith in their profit-over-integrity persona.

agree, they lost the plot quite a while ago.

[330ci]

Makes Luke Rottman look like child's play

[KY..]

No surprise at all on the prominence of fake anything whether expensive or not.
Just too many gullible suckers with money to burn in the world.
Hence watch collecting, car collecting, sports memorabilia collecting, yada, yada, yada.
We all pretty much fit that bill one way or another.
I’ve been tricked before and always try to do a better job each time I’m looking to get something.
Just had a vintage Heuer Autavia Siffert delivered yesterday that I’m glad to own.
But until further notice I will continue to love the nuances and micro mechanics of vintage watches.

[sski]

Mr. Goldberger is revered in Hodinkeeland; they just had a 'Talking watches' episode 2.0 recently. This story paints him in quite a different light (not flattering one bit.)

[fmc000]

Great job from José as usual. Here in Italy we say that "le bugie hanno le gambe corte", meaning that truth always comes out, regardless how well you hide it.

OK, the watch is not what was described, it's not the first time this happens and it won't be the last. The charity part is what i find most disturbing, though.

[cascavel]

Buying at auction, at this level, is theater. Potential buyers are courted, told different stories regarding their roles, they meet all the players are seduced and convinced that nothing can go wrong and that bright lights will be shone on them and their collection. Other luminaries are unlikely to reverse their opinions about a masterwork simply because Perezcope makes some assertions. If things should turn sketchy, there's always the museum donation escape route to be traveled which provides further evidence of the charitable nature of the owner along with a big tax deduction.
Cognitive consonance erects a force field which prevents most negative evidence from entering the inner circle, shielding the buyer from having to recognize the poor judgement of this purchase, anyway. And, ultimately, everyone is happy.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by cascavel

Buying at auction, at this level, is theater. Potential buyers are courted, told different stories regarding their roles, they meet all the players are seduced and convinced that nothing can go wrong and that bright lights will be shone on them and their collection. Other luminaries are unlikely to reverse their opinions about a masterwork simply because Periscope makes some assertions. If things should turn sketchy, there's always the museum donation escape route to be traveled which provides further evidence of the charitable nature of the owner along with a big tax deduction.
Cognitive consonance provides a force field which prevents most negative evidence from entering the inner circle, shielding the buyer from having to recognize the poor judgement
of this purchase, anyway. And, ultimately, everyone is happy.

Indeed- In the words of David Byrne 'Same as it ever was'.

[Dan S]

I would like to know the story behind Auro Montanari choosing the pseudonym of John Goldberger. It seems very calculated, and it rubs me the wrong way, TBH.

[SignotheTimes]

Here is an interview with benevolent content.

https://www.morjas.com/de/blog/inter...hn-goldberger/

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by SignotheTimes

Here is an interview with benevolent content.

https://www.morjas.com/de/blog/inter...hn-goldberger/

Thanks -tbh I've never warmed to him. Vis 2 tailors...and when asked why do you sell at auction and not privately 'It’s very hard to find private collectors with the magnitude' !!
My response...Oh is it really sir..., magnitude...schmagnitude !

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I would like to know the story behind Auro Montanari choosing the pseudonym of John Goldberger. It seems very calculated, and it rubs me the wrong way, TBH.

Auro in Italian sounds like "aureo", which is the adjective related to gold. Montanaro in Italian means "mountaneer" so it's very closely related to "berg", which in German means "mountain".

Why he choose "John" as the first name? I guess because he spent too much time looking for the right last name and thus he was too tired to choose a less common first name.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by fmc000

Auro in Italian sounds like "aureo", which is the adjective related to gold. Montanaro in Italian means "mountaneer" so it's very closely related to "berg", which in German means "mountain".

That's an interesting analysis and it makes me feel a bit better. TBH, I was questioning why he chose a name that is so distinctively Jewish.

[njsteve]

Originally Posted by fmc000

Why he choose "John" as the first name? I guess because he spent too much time looking for the right last name and thus he was too tired to choose a less common first name.

I guess the first name Auric was already taken? LOL

Getting James Bond, "Goldfinger" vibes from all this.

[Mark020]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I would like to know the story behind Auro Montanari choosing the pseudonym of John Goldberger. It seems very calculated, and it rubs me the wrong way, TBH.

I once read he wanted a WASPy name

[Crown & Shield]

I think Dan S was questioning the whole concept of hiding behind a pseudonym.
I do, too.

[fmc000]

Originally Posted by Crown & Shield

I think Dan S was questioning the whole concept of hiding behind a pseudonym.
I do, too.

I think I read in an interview that this was just a marketing choice to help the international sales of his books.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by fmc000

I think I read in an interview that this was just a marketing choice to help the international sales of his books.

Yes. The peacocks, peacock.

[Crown & Shield]

Originally Posted by fmc000

I think I read in an interview that this was just a marketing choice to help the international sales of his books.

Thanks for the info

[Greglaw]

Great job as always, Jose!