Hot Water: A Fix for Slow 32xx Movements?

[mrmahdi]

Originally Posted by JMGoodnight369

Here’s the thing. Part of the reason I have paid tens of thousands of dollars for Rolex watches it the advertised accuracy AS well as the expectations that watch hold the advertised accuracy for longer than a few months or a couple years. Why is this such a touchy subject for people in this forum? IF YoU WaNT AcCURaCY GET a QUArTZ. Nah fam if I pay almost 12 grand for a watch that comes with a tag that clearly states +2/-2 seconds per day for at least 5 years and I have personally had 2 of those watches go wayyyyy out of those specs within months then I have every right to be upset and want some sort of explanation. It would just be real nice to have a constructive conversation about it. Do I think soaking a watch in hot water is gonna fix it? Of course not. BUT that could have information in there to point in the right direction of figuring out why some of these movements (not all of them) do not run right. It’s a pain dealing with it. You get excited about a watch and then you have to let it go for weeks or months to get it fixed hoping that it holds time past the warranty because it’s messed up to pay $900 to service a watch that was a dud from the beginning.

Totally agree. The whole “why not get a quartz if you want accuracy” crowd is getting annoying to be honest. I get it from the point of view of being OCD from someone being overly concerned about a watch being slightly out of spec. But if someone advertises something to be at a certain level of performance and that said object isn’t performing at that level, what’s wrong in pointing that out and seeking answers and resolution? Especially if it’s WAY OUT of spec.

I already know how many seconds are in a day after being told the umpteenth time.

I just hope the “why are you so worried about losing/gaining a few seconds” crowd allow us to voice our concerns in peace without lecturing us how “trivial” it is addressing accuracy issues from a brand that clearly advertises accuracy.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by mrmahdi

Totally agree. The whole “why not get a quartz if you want accuracy” crowd is getting annoying to be honest. I get it from the point of view of being OCD from someone being overly concerned about a watch being slightly out of spec. But if someone advertises something to be at a certain level of performance and that said object isn’t performing at that level, what’s wrong in pointing that out and seeking answers and resolution? Especially if it’s WAY OUT of spec.

I already know how many seconds are in a day after being told the umpteenth time.

I just hope the “why are you so worried about losing/gaining a few seconds” crowd allow us to voice our concerns in peace without lecturing us how “trivial” it is addressing accuracy issues from a brand that clearly advertises accuracy.

Again, mechanical watches have issues and they break.

If regulating your watch is something you want to do, send it in, or find a watchmaker who can do it.

Submerging your watch in hot water to try and fix the deviation seems silly.

This article sums up accuracy pretty well especially the conclusion. https://beckertime.com/the-accuracy-...grain-of-salt/

[East of Eden]

Originally Posted by codecow

Again, mechanical watches have issues and they break.

Some movements more than others.

*cough*

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by mrmahdi

Totally agree. The whole “why not get a quartz if you want accuracy” crowd is getting annoying to be honest. I get it from the point of view of being OCD from someone being overly concerned about a watch being slightly out of spec. But if someone advertises something to be at a certain level of performance and that said object isn’t performing at that level, what’s wrong in pointing that out and seeking answers and resolution? Especially if it’s WAY OUT of spec.

I already know how many seconds are in a day after being told the umpteenth time.

I just hope the “why are you so worried about losing/gaining a few seconds” crowd allow us to voice our concerns in peace without lecturing us how “trivial” it is addressing accuracy issues from a brand that clearly advertises accuracy.

Well said

It's a put down or downright condecending on a number of levels as if one has some kind of mental or emotional deficiency.
Those that put COSC specs forward as an acceptable standard that anyone that hasn't got any of the above deficiency issues possibly could be able to look at it from another perspective.
What would they say about their COSC watch movement if it was running 20 or 30 seconds or in some cases even more seconds per day slower than the COSC specs and getting progressively worse when they paid serious $s for the watch and they full well know they could've bought a Seiko or some other brand at a similar price point straight out of a jeweller anywhere down the road and at a discount(without the wait list/expression of interest palava) and get better overall performance
We all know now that in some cases the timekeeping can start out just fine and in accordance with reasonable expectations then quite rapidly decline until it falls of a cliff.

[mrmahdi]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Well said

It's a put down or downright condecending on a number of levels as if one has some kind of mental or emotional deficiency.
Those that put COSC specs forward as an acceptable standard that anyone that hasn't got any of the above deficiency issues possibly could be able to look at it from another perspective.
What would they say about their COSC watch movement if it was running 20 or 30 seconds or in some cases even more seconds per day slower than the COSC specs and getting progressively worse when they paid serious $s for the watch and they full well know they could've bought a Seiko or some other brand at a similar price point straight out of a jeweller anywhere down the road and at a discount(without the wait list/expression of interest palava) and get better overall performance

Totally agree 👍🏽.

I still want to know what triggers some people to trivialize people’s concern about what a company ADVERTISES as a selling point for a lot of people. Sure, some people might go overboard and be OCD about it, but some people in this forum just feel compelled to be dismissive, condescending and even outright disrespectful every time a person addresses accuracy issues with their watch.

As you stated, we paid a lot of money for something that is advertised as accurate to then not be accurate. We have the right to express our concerns without people mocking us and making us out to be crazy. I don’t mind constructive criticism and feedback, but to the point of condescension and even rudeness is where I draw the line.

At the end of the day, we are all different. Some don’t care about accuracy at all. Others do. We don’t have agree with each other, but we all should be respectful.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by mrmahdi

At the end of the day, we are all different. Some don’t care about accuracy at all. Others do. We don’t have agree with each other, but we all should be respectful.

Completely agree.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Well said

It's a put down or downright condecending on a number of levels as if one has some kind of mental or emotional deficiency.
Those that put COSC specs forward as an acceptable standard that anyone that hasn't got any of the above deficiency issues possibly could be able to look at it from another perspective.
What would they say about their COSC watch movement if it was running 20 or 30 seconds or in some cases even more seconds per day slower than the COSC specs and getting progressively worse when they paid serious $s for the watch and they full well know they could've bought a Seiko or some other brand at a similar price point straight out of a jeweller anywhere down the road and at a discount(without the wait list/expression of interest palava) and get better overall performance
We all know now that in some cases the timekeeping can start out just fine and in accordance with reasonable expectations then quite rapidly decline until it falls of a cliff.

If the watch isn’t working right to the point where it bothers me I would send it for service. If it can’t be reasonably corrected then I’d sell or trade it.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by codecow

If the watch isn’t working right to the point where it bothers me I would send it for service. If it can’t be reasonably corrected then I’d sell or trade it.

Fair enough

I imagine it would be very disheartening for someone who has scored their first real Swiss watch and scrimped and saved for and the full wait list experience and all, to be on the recieving end of it in full when it goes south.
We have to acknowledge that it's not such an easy pill to swallow and shrug it off like those of us who have multiple watches to fall back on as if it's just another day in the life.

[codecow]

Originally Posted by Dirt

Fair enough

I imagine it would be very disheartening for someone who has scored their first real Swiss watch and scrimped and saved for and the full wait list experience and all, to be on the recieving end of it in full when it goes south.
We have to acknowledge that it's not such an easy pill to swallow and shrug it off like those of us who have multiple watches to fall back on as if it's just another day in the life.

Yeah I mean that’s just how it is. My wife bought a Daytona, got it home, and noticed a tiny blip on the crystal (on the inside), so back it went… weeks later she got it back.

People can be mad, I mean I wasn’t happy when my 324 exhibited the sticking date problem, but it’s a hand assembled mechanical device it’s going to have issues.

Like you said, I didn’t care about Porsche keeping my car for 3 weeks to find a crack in the fuel line that made it not start a single time. The reason was, I had a spare car. However a car isn’t like a Rolex in that you don’t actually need a Rolex for anything. It’s a luxury item.

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by codecow

Yeah I mean that’s just how it is. My wife bought a Daytona, got it home, and noticed a tiny blip on the crystal (on the inside), so back it went… weeks later she got it back.

People can be mad, I mean I wasn’t happy when my 324 exhibited the sticking date problem, but it’s a hand assembled mechanical device it’s going to have issues.

Like you said, I didn’t care about Porsche keeping my car for 3 weeks to find a crack in the fuel line that made it not start a single time. The reason was, I had a spare car. However a car isn’t like a Rolex in that you don’t actually need a Rolex for anything. It’s a luxury item.

I concur.