Rolex bezels drawer find

[Absolutz]

Hi

I found these 2 bezels I bought a very long time ago to a jeweller, any idea if they are worth something?
I have a GMT master 16750 from 1982 and was thinking of installing the GMT one.

Thanks

[Dan S]

The first appears to be a 1960s Mk2 "long-5" Submariner insert. The fat font GMT insert is also very nice. Springer is the expert, but it may belong to a late 60s/early 70s ref 1675.

Both have value, and you should be able to figure out how much they're worth by looking in the For Sale forum.

[1675-David]

The answer to any Submariner insert question can be found here: https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/vint...r-t266367.html

[Dom9]

You've got a few quid there! Handsome inserts!

[swaini3]

The 1st one does not look genuine to be honest. The gmt insert is nice and worth $$. Im sure it will look good on your 16750.

[Absolutz]

Thanks for your answers. It sound like the GMT bezel is genuine, a few doubts around the sub one. I'll check on FS section to estimate it but I'll probably install it on my 16750 even if it's not exactly the same period.

[springer]

The inserts look fine to me. The Submariner insert looks like there might have been an attempt at some artificial bleaching used on it as well as some brushing or sanding which is evidenced by the bare metal on the inner and outer edges. The GMT insert looks to be a very late 1960s to early 1970s insert.

[southtexas]

Sub insert is nice.

[swaini3]

Op's insert on the left. Genuine Long 5 on the right.

[antrolexsub]

Originally Posted by swaini3

The 1st one does not look genuine to be honest. The gmt insert is nice and worth $$. Im sure it will look good on your 16750.

I agree, 20 is also straight and doesn’t curve with the insert.

[MrBlobby]

Good spot on the 3!

Is the inside of the bottom half of the 5 too square? What didn’t you like there?

[springer]

I wouldn't throw that Sub insert out with the "bath water" based on those comparison pics. The 0s look almost dead on to each other. Every stamping is not 100% identical but this for me is way too close to make the call. I still feel that someone made an attempt at fading it.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by springer

I wouldn't throw that Sub insert out with the "bath water" based on those comparison pics. The 0s look almost dead on to each other. Every stamping is not 100% identical but this for me is way too close to make the call. I still feel that someone made an attempt at fading it.

Agreed, there can also be subtle differences in photos taken from different angles.

[mignonp13]

Long 5 is a very poor fake… how you can tell there’s almost no difference with the genuine fonts ?? Some People read you, and the most important thing some of them believe you… so please be extremely careful when you try to make an assessment because these threads will be here for years with some wrong informations…
Have a good night….


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

[springer]

Originally Posted by mignonp13

Long 5 is a very poor fake… how you can tell there’s almost no difference with the genuine fonts ?? Some People read you, and the most important thing some of them believe you… so please be extremely careful when you try to make an assessment because these threads will be here for years with some wrong informations…
Have a good night….


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

I based my opinion on training, and many years of experience in detecting fakes, counterfeits and fraud. That comparison from those two photos wouldn't hold up in any court that I have ever been in. Frankly, it wouldn't even make it that far. I am not 100% based on those photos and for those that read my responses years down the road, they will also read your baseless, snarky comments directed at me. There are variations and differences in almost anything manufactured for or by Rolex. On any suspected counterfeit, it is best to have a genuine specimen for comparison to the subject specimen. For a general opinion, clear photos can be used which is not the case with this insert.

You don't have to agree with my comments. That is your prerogative. Additionally, I never wrote in any of my posts that it was fake or genuine. So, be more respective of other's opinions. There are very few threads on this forum where everyone agrees on everything. The OP wanted an opinion and I gave mine, sorry you don't agree.

[MrBlobby]

But the 3 in the 30 is a different shape. It’s symmetrical rather than having a shorter top half. Are you saying that is with the tolerance of differences you get on long 5 inserts?

[swaini3]

The only time fonts differ on these (or look like they do) is when they get fatter.

[Scaramanga74]

Hmm. That sub insert seems to have a recess beneath the top triangle. Right? Looks really odd to me.

[Xeramic]

The Sub insert is a very apparent fake, the quality of the pic doesn’t matter here as the shape of the 3 is a dead giveaway; see below two more of these - and have a guess why of all numbers right the 3 got “accidentally” scratched…



Greetings,
Xeramic

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by springer

I based my opinion on training, and many years of experience in detecting fakes, counterfeits and fraud. That comparison from those two photos wouldn't hold up in any court that I have ever been in. Frankly, it wouldn't even make it that far. I am not 100% based on those photos and for those that read my responses years down the road, they will also read your baseless, snarky comments directed at me. There are variations and differences in almost anything manufactured for or by Rolex. On any suspected counterfeit, it is best to have a genuine specimen for comparison to the subject specimen. For a general opinion, clear photos can be used which is not the case with this insert.

You don't have to agree with my comments. That is your prerogative. Additionally, I never wrote in any of my posts that it was fake or genuine. So, be more respective of other's opinions. There are very few threads on this forum where everyone agrees on everything. The OP wanted an opinion and I gave mine, sorry you don't agree.

Springer, you are one of the top GMT experts. Fact.

When others find something out that you've missed, you tend to get itchy.

This is a Submariner insert. Certainly not your area of expertise, please have a bit of patience.

My very best wishes of a great Xmas,

Filipe

[southtexas]

I missed that, looking too quickly from my phone I guess.

[1675-David]

pepsi is fake as well. (In my opinion!)

[mignonp13]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

pepsi is fake as well.

I’m afraid you have to start everything from the beginning….


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk

[Absolutz]

Thanks all for your answers and very instructive insights.

One other indication that might confirm that only the GMT bezel is probably genuine is when I see the number of propositions I received for it and none for the sub !!

I'll install it on my 16750 (when I'll get it back from servicing) and make a photo to end this conversation on a positive touch

[swaini3]

Originally Posted by 1675-David

pepsi is fake as well.

Pepsi is good. What don't you like about it?

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Pepsi is good. What don't you like about it?

Sorry for sounding so blunt I've alted my post. And I should refrain from making judgment calls based on what I see on my phone I believe we have discussed this insert earlier in this thread:

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=819658


*with reservation for image quality and screen size

[swaini3]

Didn't sound blunt at all. ;)
I just asked incase I missed something. They are different though. It's not the same insert. Just compare the 12, 20 for example.

[1675-David]

Originally Posted by swaini3

Didn't sound blunt at all. ;)
I just asked incase I missed something. They are different though. It's not the same insert. Just compare the 12, 20 for example.

Of course you are right and I see it now! I’m always get verysuspicious when fake parts are in the mix.

[goldfixer21]

Originally Posted by Filipão

Springer, you are one of the top GMT experts. Fact.

When others find something out that you've missed, you tend to get itchy.

This is a Submariner insert. Certainly not your area of expertise, please have a bit of patience.

My very best wishes of a great Xmas,

Filipe

JP knows Submariners as well as he does GMTs. His posts were simply stating that a definitive identification could not be ascertained from these pics. For anyone to disparage him for that, is flat out wrong.

[mignonp13]

Originally Posted by goldfixer21

JP knows Submariners as well as he does GMTs. His posts were simply stating that a definitive identification could not be ascertained from these pics. For anyone to disparage him for that, is flat out wrong.

the fan club appears


Envoyé de mon iPhone en utilisant Tapatalk