SIHH 2017 Thread - Rumors, Facts, Etc...

[texex91]

Well next week is a good week (for two of my fav brands--AP and RM) at SIHH.

Will AP quasi disappoint as they have in past few years? RM I don't expect much as they never really announce much at SIHH--they go on their own schedule.

Already confirmed from AD 26401CE is discontinued. Love that watch. Maybe time to add one

Hope we can all post what we hear from contacts at SIHH as things progress

[Manofsteelpt]

Hope the new 44's are sweet... And a Pt bracelet for them would be KILLER!!!

[benlee]

Originally Posted by Manofsteelpt

Hope the new 44's are sweet... And a Pt bracelet for them would be KILLER!!!

For you perhaps. No way I can wear that. Except Superman himself.

[Lordofrolex]

Originally Posted by benlee

For you perhaps. No way I can wear that. Except Superman himself.

x2

that would be so heavy.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by texex91

Well next week is a good week (for two of my fav brands--AP and RM) at SIHH.

Will AP quasi disappoint as they have in past few years? RM I don't expect much as they never really announce much at SIHH--they go on their own schedule.

Already confirmed from AD 26401CE is discontinued. Love that watch. Maybe time to add one

Hope we can all post what we hear from contacts at SIHH as things progress

What I heard quite likely is a refresh of the dress watch line from Jules Audemars. But I wasn't expecting much since it appears we will not see the inhouse chronograph movement as it's delayed. Again.

[whatching]

Originally Posted by benlee

What I heard quite likely is a refresh of the dress watch line from Jules Audemars. But I wasn't expecting much since it appears we will not see the inhouse chronograph movement as it's delayed. Again.

Hi. Where you getting this info on the inhouse roc being delayed? Any links/website for this? Thanks sir.

[benlee]

Originally Posted by whatching

Hi. Where you getting this info on the inhouse roc being delayed? Any links/website for this? Thanks sir.

I think the CEO mentioned that in one of his interview. Sorry, I can't recall exactly.

[whatching]

Originally Posted by benlee

I think the CEO mentioned that in one of his interview. Sorry, I can't recall exactly.

No problem. Will try to read up on my own. Thanks again.

[PJ S]

Originally Posted by benlee

But I wasn't expecting much since it appears we will not see the inhouse chronograph movement as it's delayed. Again.

I presume you’re familiar with the fact that companies put out misinformation, across many industries?
It’d be highly stupid of a CEO to reveal well in advance of the show that they were going to introduce the new in-house chronograph. What do you imagine such news would do to sales, especially leading up to the most important time of year for the retail sector?

Think about it Ben, something like that you’d definitely keep your powder dry over, and throw enquiring minds off the scent!

[AshAP]

Originally Posted by PJ S

I presume you’re familiar with the fact that companies put out misinformation, across many industries?
It’d be highly stupid of a CEO to reveal well in advance of the show that they were going to introduce the new in-house chronograph. What do you imagine such news would do to sales, especially leading up to the most important time of year for the retail sector?

Think about it Ben, something like that you’d definitely keep your powder dry over, and throw enquiring minds off the scent!

The dealer boutique where I buy from told me at least a month ago that the current roc is now discontinued. Don't know if this is widely known or not.


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[GB-man]

Great thread Paul! Let the games begin.

Interesting is AP abandoning ceramic cases altogether?

[lapince]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Great thread Paul! Let the games begin.

Interesting is AP abandoning ceramic cases altogether?

Seems yes as they abandoned the diver very quickly, I wonder if they will replace with something new, what is nice with AP are the innovative materials, if they just do normal ones the brand will, IMHO, loose some of it's appeal

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Great thread Paul! Let the games begin.

Interesting is AP abandoning ceramic cases altogether?

They probably won't abandon it altogether. They been using carbon and ceramic for years and years. They spent so much money in the infrastructure to produce these 2 cases. But they have to change things up.

They can't just keep releasing the same watch with a different dial over and over again.

The brand will lose it's appeal if they do that. Plus when they discontinue them, they hold their value, which increases the appeal of the watch.

[Dickson Lim]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Great thread Paul! Let the games begin.

Interesting is AP abandoning ceramic cases altogether?

There will be one this year, and it's not a 44mm.

[texex91]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

There will be one this year, and it's not a 44mm.

[goog53]

Originally Posted by Dickson Lim

There will be one this year, and it's not a 44mm.

A possible win for the guys with smaller wrists

[KarlS]

Anyone going?...I have my badge for the -16th to 20th but now decided to wait for Baselworld....interested to see what ALS is doing this year

[jdkrut]

I heard a rumor that the 26320 is being discontinued and replaced with something else.

[edo]

And what we already know? Gold 44 ROO with grey dial and subdials as someone who saw promo pics at the boutique mentioned...

[texex91]

Originally Posted by GB-man

Great thread Paul! Let the games begin.

Interesting is AP abandoning ceramic cases altogether?

That I don't know, but they have really struggled with the ceramic from a manufacturing standpoint, so I would not at all be surprised. Would be a shame.

Originally Posted by edo

And what we already know? Gold 44 ROO with grey dial and subdials as someone who saw promo pics at the boutique mentioned...

I would LOVE to see a pic of that one edo!

[GB-man]

Originally Posted by edo

And what we already know? Gold 44 ROO with grey dial and subdials as someone who saw promo pics at the boutique mentioned...

Gold as in YG?

[edo]

No, it's still RG... and one member how saw the pics says the subdials are darker so they blend with the dial (didn't catch exactly is the dial still black or dark grey)

[Marciano490]

Kind of disenchanted with how I was treated at the 57th Street boutique, so I'll let this secret fly - they have a new ombre dial coming out that's pretty unique and stunning. I believe it's on a 42mm roc, but I only got a quick glance.

[FAC126]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Kind of disenchanted with how I was treated at the 57th Street boutique, so I'll let this secret fly - they have a new ombre dial coming out that's pretty unique and stunning. I believe it's on a 42mm roc, but I only got a quick glance.

The older saleswoman there, Manuela, refused to speak to me about my few-months-old 15202 and accused me of intentionally damaging the crown to make her day more difficult. Ha. Since Jonny left, I've found the newer gentleman Keeno quite helpful and pleasant. Just beware Manuela, who I hope is having a better day today than when she last berated me :)

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by FAC126

The older saleswoman there, Manuela, refused to speak to me about my few-months-old 15202 and accused me of intentionally damaging the crown to make her day more difficult. Ha. Since Jonny left, I've found the newer gentleman Keeno quite helpful and pleasant. Just beware Manuela, who I hope is having a better day today than when she last berated me :)

Just had an awful encounter with her today. Was passing the store so popped in to explain in person that I would not be taking the RG skeleton after she'd emailed me the day before. I told her I felt a bit manipulated given she said I'd have to pay full price because it was the only one they'd receive that year only to get later calls from other staff saying they had 4 arriving in December. It also bothered me - after being asked to place a deposit - to have them offer me a watch someone else had put a deposit on if I came in to purchase then and there.

She was very glib and unapologetic and after that asked if I wanted to try it on one more time. Then she stonewalled me on information about SIHH even though other saleswomen had shown me pictures.

I'm moving away from AP in general and this will hasten the transition. That and the awful resale lately.

[lapince]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Just had an awful encounter with her today. Was passing the store so popped in to explain in person that I would not be taking the RG skeleton after she'd emailed me the day before.

Too bad you're not getting it, it's amazing and one of the things AP is the best at, still wondering if I should get the 15407ST or not, problem is if I do get it then I should move 1 piece,and at the time being I don't see one that I want to move, also not sure about the 41mm, sure at 7 inches my wrist can take it, but seems to me that proportions at 39mm are much nicer than 41.

Resale on AP is bad? I don't know about most pieces, I am mostly looking at resale for the ones I have, CE diver and blue 15300, and they seem to be doing quite well, the price for the only unworn blue 15300 on Chrono24 is 2000 euros more than what I paid for my unworn, and the CE diver prices are way above what I paid.

[jem7v]

Originally Posted by lapince

Too bad you're not getting it, it's amazing and one of the things AP is the best at, still wondering if I should get the 15407ST or not, problem is if I do get it then I should move 1 piece,and at the time being I don't see one that I want to move, also not sure about the 41mm, sure at 7 inches my wrist can take it, but seems to me that proportions at 39mm are much nicer than 41.

Resale on AP is bad? I don't know about most pieces, I am mostly looking at resale for the ones I have, CE diver and blue 15300, and they seem to be doing quite well, the price for the only unworn blue 15300 on Chrono24 is 2000 euros more than what I paid for my unworn, and the CE diver prices are way above what I paid.

You got your CE diver below 20k? How?

[Marciano490]

Originally Posted by lapince

Resale on AP is bad? I don't know about most pieces, I am mostly looking at resale for the ones I have, CE diver and blue 15300, and they seem to be doing quite well, the price for the only unworn blue 15300 on Chrono24 is 2000 euros more than what I paid for my unworn, and the CE diver prices are way above what I paid.

I haven't looked into the divers - great watches, just no room in the collection or lifestyle - but I generally find Chrono24 to be a poor proxy for the actual market and useful only insofar as you can see long term trends by checking in every 6 months or so. Plus, when I say resale, I'm talking about selling a new watch after using it. Still, I'd assume if you do as I do and email one of those sellers saying that you have cash and want to purchase today, you'll find that 2,000 euro premium quickly gone.

As for the boutique, my problem isn't attitude, and I don't need to be fawned over and actually dislike salespeople following me around. Either Manuela out and out lied to me about supply to get me to purchase then and at full price, or made a representation she shouldn't have or that was very quickly proven untrue, in which case she should have been more understanding of a long-term AP owner who came by in person to respond to an email she had sent.

Also, maybe it's standard practice and I'm unaware, but the idea that deposits mean nothing at AP and can be undone on a watch that is supposedly rare and difficult to find, is a little galling. If it was just a high pressure/used car salesman's ploy, then that's beneath the brand, too.

At any rate, the market on the skeletons is softening already, and I expect in 6 months they'll be gettable at 60-65k instead of 78.

[Bryan23N]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Just had an awful encounter with her today. Was passing the store so popped in to explain in person that I would not be taking the RG skeleton after she'd emailed me the day before. I told her I felt a bit manipulated given she said I'd have to pay full price because it was the only one they'd receive that year only to get later calls from other staff saying they had 4 arriving in December. It also bothered me - after being asked to place a deposit - to have them offer me a watch someone else had put a deposit on if I came in to purchase then and there.

She was very glib and unapologetic and after that asked if I wanted to try it on one more time. Then she stonewalled me on information about SIHH even though other saleswomen had shown me pictures.

I'm moving away from AP in general and this will hasten the transition. That and the awful resale lately.

That's disappointing to hear buddy. Just a bad apple in the basket. More positive things could not be said about AP boutique Singapore. The boutique staff here have been very helpful and polite regarding all my issues with my watch (bear in mind it wasn't purchased from them; I got it from an AD).

I'm still being treated as if I had purchased my watch from them, even offered champagne on my visits. Utmost kudos to the staff here in Singapore.

My only bad experience with AP service was an old lady down at the AP Service Centre, who couldn't be more rude the very first time I brought my F serial 42mm Offshore, with her remarking that it was a very old watch and telling me it might even be fake! And boy did she look very reluctant to even take it in as I requested an authentication and servicing. I guess there's always bound to be a few bad ones here and there. Don't give up on the brand.

[AMCK87]

Originally Posted by Marciano490

Just had an awful encounter with her today. Was passing the store so popped in to explain in person that I would not be taking the RG skeleton after she'd emailed me the day before. I told her I felt a bit manipulated given she said I'd have to pay full price because it was the only one they'd receive that year only to get later calls from other staff saying they had 4 arriving in December. It also bothered me - after being asked to place a deposit - to have them offer me a watch someone else had put a deposit on if I came in to purchase then and there.

She was very glib and unapologetic and after that asked if I wanted to try it on one more time. Then she stonewalled me on information about SIHH even though other saleswomen had shown me pictures.

I'm moving away from AP in general and this will hasten the transition. That and the awful resale lately.

Never had a good experience with them. In 2013 I went in to get the bracelet sized on a Royal Oak Chrono I had just bought and was treated like a peasant because I didn't buy it from them and "must have bought it from an unauthorized source or stolen watch if it was less than retail" I had bought it from Wempe, gave them an earful. Piss poor service but polar opposite to the quality of the Beverly Hills boutique.