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21 September 2009, 06:25 AM | #1 |
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No hole lugs...
I'm currently starting to research the purchase of a used 16613 Sub, with
champagne Serti dial, to replace my P model 16610. I've run across several on ebay that fit the bill, but want to get the no hole lug model. I was under the assumption that that version of the sub started with the D series in 2005, but have run across some watches that are F series advertised and don't have the holes. My question is which model year started the no hole version, the F or the D? Thanks for any help to a new guy at the forum, Jack |
21 September 2009, 07:24 AM | #2 |
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Sub Lugs - stopped at Y Serial...
Jack,
I recently got a Y serial sub. Was told this was the last year for lug holes - 2002/2003. However, there were some Y serials without holes. All Fs should not have holes as far as I know. |
1 October 2009, 02:44 PM | #3 |
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what your saying doesnt make sense F is new than Y
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The changeover was during the Y release for most SS models...... So some Y's will have them, and others not...
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F, D, Z, M, V, and some Y should all be no holes. I am currently researching the same watch, 16613, and am looking for an M or V with the rehaut etching. I'm still not sure I want to spend the money right now though. Good luck in your search!
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FWIW, my understanding has been that the transition between holes and no holes happened late in the Y series.
Good luck in your search.
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Now I like the lug holes... When I eventually get my GMT Coke, I think it should be a lug hole model...
Although I would take a mint non-hole / NO REHAUT engraving. The latter really cheezes me off. I was in branding and marketing for a number of years, but that engraving is Obnoxious IMHO. |
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I really like my 16610 with the case holes and SEL, so ended up chasing down an early Y serial (thanks DavidSW!). It makes the watch look more tool-worthy However with my Explorer II, I quickly tired of the holes and eventually traded for a no holes case which was 6 serials newer (thanks AlexCollector!). I still can't get myself to like the engraved rehaut. Makes the dial look very busy IMO.
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y F Series 16710 GMT II was without Lug holes, pure Luck, as I had no clue at the time.
My M series 16613 is of course, no lug holes, but WITH engraved Rehault, and I wanted it that way! I wanted the engraved Rehault, because my 16710 has not. I canīt say, which I like more, I wanted them to DIFFER! ( And I bought the 16613 because I like the smaller hour markers and the slimmer hands, as compared to the 116613. And the smaller case! ) Hermann |
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F was introduced AFTER the Y series.
All F's will have NO lug holes. The lug holes disappeared at the very end of the Y series.....so the earlier and mid-Y models will have lug holes. After that, all watch cases were without lug holes. JJ
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I have an F (introduced late 2003/2004) serial 14060M with holes in the lugs.
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Read my post just above yours giving a correct account of the lug-hole saga. Cheers - JJ
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2 October 2009, 05:57 AM | #13 |
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All F's will have NO lug holes.
I see your post reference the saga, JJ, and was not aware that Rolex differentiated their cases between a date watch and a non-date watch.
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Only recently, they gave it a COSC rating and the ROLEX inscription around the rehaut ring. Other than that, no changes at all. Except for this model, all F's come with NO lug holes. JJ
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Correct, Sir, as of the late M series - the 14060M will all now be COSC certified. I am glad to have been set straight on the lugs holes for the ND's.
Thanks.
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Thanks JJ...The Voice of reason!
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2 October 2009, 01:51 PM | #18 |
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Im looking at a F series TT sub. seller want 5175. Is that a fair price or can i get better.
this watch is from top notch. |
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Spot on my friend. The 14060M, COSC or not ,is the last of a breed. Lug holes and of course the old style 93150 bracelet with the old style diver's extention.
Nice Sub Mike.... I thought about the no date or Seadweller for a long time...Love my classic, but may have to get one of these some day. After my GMT Coke and maybe one other flavor. |
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I love haveing lug holes on my sub. dont think i would ever want a no hole sub IMHO very tool like and quick nato to bracelet exchange...
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