Electric Cars....a perspective.

[Speedbird-1]

https://youtu.be/Vr25GkxqWk4?si=-Bb-n-o9SmwQiVmq

[Easy E]

Then there is this
https://www.dailywire.com/news/cost-...ne-study-finds

[THC]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Then there is this
https://www.dailywire.com/news/cost-...ne-study-finds

Yeah the entire EV hoax is ridic

People will buy what is best for them

[East Bay Rider]

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[Andad]

Originally Posted by Speedbird-1

https://youtu.be/Vr25GkxqWk4?si=-Bb-n-o9SmwQiVmq

Is that you Steve?

[RichardBartlett]

This chap is fairly scathing on what has happened in the UK over the past few decades, the constant distortion of history to enforce a narrative.



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[Speedbird-1]

Originally Posted by Andad

Is that you Steve?

I fail to see the humour, Jock.

[bondtoys]

Originally Posted by Easy E

Then there is this
https://www.dailywire.com/news/cost-...ne-study-finds

Haha, you guys need to invest in your rotten grid - regardless of EVs or not.
It‘s ridiculous to add these infrastructure investments to the overall cost of EVs.

[Blansky]

So I said to myself back in the day. I'm gonna make a fuel source out of tiny bacteria, plankton and algae buried deep down in the earth.

I'm gonna send some pipes down 80 to 12,000 feet and suck it out of the ground and ship it halfway around the world to we can run all our cars on it for the next 150 years. We have it here in Texas and California but I like the stuff from Saudi Arabia better.

And it will bring the world together in peace and harmony.

YOU'RE GONNA WHAT????

[Easy E]

I just want to make a car that runs off of poison Ivey - the most useless, God forsaken plant on the planet. I would find a twisted sense of harmony knowing that I concurred a ridiculous foe, made a pile of money in the process, and somehow made the world a better place.

[mjm700]

I don't know who to believe, but it's always a good topic. I do like diversification. Even if EV doesn't make total sense, if it creates a mix of what we rely on then maybe not such a bad thing. I bought one a year ago to mostly see what it was like to have one - a totally nonsensical one though - Taycan turbo s. crazy fun go kart and if the gas stations shut down I still make it to the corner bar. Plus I have V8s in my other cars/trucks so there is some cancelling out, right?

[Krash]

Originally Posted by mjm700

I don't know who to believe, but it's always a good topic. I do like diversification. Even if EV doesn't make total sense, if it creates a mix of what we rely on then maybe not such a bad thing. I bought one a year ago to mostly see what it was like to have one - a totally nonsensical one though - Taycan turbo s. crazy fun go kart and if the gas stations shut down I still make it to the corner bar. Plus I have V8s in my other cars/trucks so there is some cancelling out, right?

I think I’m somewhat in that category. I don’t want to see a complete phase out of ICE vehicles and I’m definitely against any government mandates.

But I don’t think it would be a bad thing if EVs had a greater market share. However, you’re kidding yourself if you think we can put the infrastructure in place anytime soon for 100% EVs. Three or four decades away, at least. People are naive.


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[Michael1968]

I’m not in EV cars. Waste of time when you waiting for them to charge

[Tricolore66]

I don’t like EV’s and I live in Texas, but looking at the group that published this study makes it hard to think it’s impartial in any way.

Originally Posted by Easy E

Then there is this
https://www.dailywire.com/news/cost-...ne-study-finds

[Krash]

Originally Posted by Michael1968

I’m not in EV cars. Waste of time when you waiting for them to charge

Yeah, let me know when I can get a 100% charge in less than 5 minutes. Until then, I’m not replacing any of my ICE vehicles.


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[Calatrava r]

I think an EV makes a lot sense as a local around town car to make short trips and you can charge it at home. I say this not knowing how much this raises your power bill.

For long trips, I think we are not there yet and may never be. The constant search for charging stations, long charging times/lines and relatively short spurts of power would be a nightmare to me.

[Easy E]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

I don’t like EV’s and I live in Texas, but looking at the group that published this study makes it hard to think it’s impartial in any way.

I'm sure you are not wrong, but it is not difficult to find any number of comparable reports. I'm still a very hard on the EV deal.

[East Bay Rider]

Originally Posted by East Bay Rider

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Originally Posted by Calatrava r

I think an EV makes a lot sense as a local around town car to make short trips and you can charge it at home. I say this not knowing how much this raises your power bill.

For long trips, I think we are not there yet and may never be. The constant search for charging stations, long charging times/lines and relatively short spurts of power would be a nightmare to me.

Exactly right. As an errand runner appliance they would be fine for some. Make them cheap, utilitarian and recyclable. You wouldn't want to drive it far so a range of 100 miles is justified. Plug it in when you get home so it's ready for the next weekend trip to Walmart. The perfect 3rd car in every household.
Now that the geniuses in corporate are forcing folks back into the office to justify the buildings they own, it doesn't make sense for as many people to buy them anymore. Highways are congested again, winter is coming to the Northern hemisphere. It's just not a good time for city dwellers to force their ideals on everyone else.

[srvrf]

I do think that from an environmental standpoint, it seems like EVs are worse to make but over time they are better for the environment than ICE vehicles. But of course that can depend on how you get your electricity.

One thing that I think gets left out of the equation is driving experience. My BMW IX M60 is simply a blast to drive. It is also surprisingly nice to eliminate the engine noise.

In the end, I think an EV is a fantastic commuter car but primarily for families who have a home and an ICE car for easier road trips. Plugging in in your garage is great and super convenient. I haven’t been to a gas station in months and don’t miss it. However, people that live in apartments are going to have trouble with charging.

Road trips beyond the typical range require patience and planning. Chargers can be occupied and or non-functional. When I’m going 4 or more hours, I use gas.

To me it seems like plug-in hybrids are the best of both worlds. Many people would be able to go their whole commutes (although I confess I don’t know the average or median commute length) on electricity and then longer trips it just uses gas.


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[TRS1]

Evs are great secondary and tertiary cars for the wealthy.

[ERH]

Originally Posted by Blansky

So I said to myself back in the day. I'm gonna make a fuel source out of tiny bacteria, plankton and algae buried deep down in the earth.

I'm gonna send some pipes down 80 to 12,000 feet and suck it out of the ground and ship it halfway around the world to we can run all our cars on it for the next 150 years. We have it here in Texas and California but I like the stuff from Saudi Arabia better.

And it will bring the world together in peace and harmony.

YOU'RE GONNA WHAT????

AND, sell a gallon of it for less than half the price of a six pack pf Bud Light

[Speedbird-1]

Scary.
Yet another EV spontaneously bursts into flames. (Plano, Texas.)
Just an isolated incident?
I don't think so.

[sampelligrino]

From an environmental standpoint I have no idea whether EVs are better or not, I'm a diehard internal combustion guy

But I have to admit seeing friends and family never have to deal with annual service/maintenance, and never visit a gas station and always "refuel" at home is a nice convenience... most people in major cities do not need more than 300+ miles of range a day

[Dirt]

We have long distances to travel at times and need to tow a trailer often as well into the mix so a battery powered vehicle won't cut it at all as the technology currently stands.
Especially if we would have to potentially install a total of 4 chargers in various properties to facilitate the operation of the vehicle.
I get as an around town run around car, they would be interesting especially given the reduced need to service them, but the longer term recycleability of the things are a concern
That said, a number of years ago I installed a Sh*te load of solar onto the roof of one of our properties in anticipation of the day I could take advantage of electrified transport in my later years. The Solar has been great as it completely covers my holding cost of the property, but the electric vehicle utopian thing hasn't miraculously materialised.
Given that there is not enough known reserves of Lithium, Cobalt and various other minerals in the world to cover off on the projected needs of the proletariat of the world it will simply remain as technology as a part of the mix.
Sadly, it will never be a be all and end all as things currently stand unless battery technology can catch up on every level.
EVs are and shall remain a means to virtue signal and as a status symbol for some in the cities.
Besides, I like my V8s way too much to give up on them in the foreseeable future as they deliver on all the important and most relevant metrics. The only problem I see from my perspective going forward, is that EVs are good at being disruptor technology and they will eventually take over like battery powered power tools since Lithium-Ion batteries are ubiquitous, and will eventually indirectly contribute to increased petrol/diesel prices and marginalise fossil fuel economies of scale. Which may be a good thing, or the worst possible environmental outcome. Either way, I don't think I will be around to see it anyway at my age

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by sampelligrino

From an environmental standpoint I have no idea whether EVs are better or not, I'm a diehard internal combustion guy

But I have to admit seeing friends and family never have to deal with annual service/maintenance, and never visit a gas station and always "refuel" at home is a nice convenience... most people in major cities do not need more than 300+ miles of range a day

It really only makes any sense if one is using solar to charge/refuel the things up and to that, not everybody will be able to implement that at their property.
The power grid as it's currently designed does not configure well and it must be transitioned to a localised distribution and storage model to make it all work properly.
We aren't there yet by a very long way.
This business of puting in entirely new power transmission lines to accommodate large scale wind and solar farms in new locations is a cost that will need to be passed on and all of it needs to be maintained just like the existing stuff.
Fully factoring in increased insurance costs due to fires from at home car chargers and vehicles, storm/hail damage to panels on roofs and fires from PVDC isolators and inverters will put a dampener on the party as well.
The insurance companies won't be missing us and are coming after us already.
There's no such thing as a free lunch either and the world is going to find out the hard way about the cost of bearing the full responsibility for our own power generation and transportation.
Factoring in the lack of ability to repair an EV in an economical fashion after an accident is something insurance companies are still fully coming to grips with.

[Maleg]

Originally Posted by Dirt

We have long distances to travel at times and need to tow a trailer often as well into the mix so a battery powered vehicle won't cut it at all as the technology currently stands.
Especially if we would have to potentially install a total of 4 chargers in various properties to facilitate the operation of the vehicle.
I get as an around town run around car, they would be interesting especially given the reduced need to service them, but the longer term recycleability of the things are a concern
That said, a number of years ago I installed a Sh*te load of solar onto the roof of one of our properties in anticipation of the day I could take advantage of electrified transport in my later years. The Solar has been great as it completely covers my holding cost of the property, but the electric vehicle utopian thing hasn't miraculously materialised.
Given that there is not enough known reserves of Lithium, Cobalt and various other minerals in the world to cover off on the projected needs of the proletariat of the world it will simply remain as technology as a part of the mix.
Sadly, it will never be a be all and end all as things currently stand unless battery technology can catch up on every level.
EVs are and shall remain a means to virtue signal and as a status symbol for some in the cities.
Besides, I like my V8s way too much to give up on them in the foreseeable future as they deliver on all the important and most relevant metrics. The only problem I see from my perspective going forward, is that EVs are good at being disruptor technology and they will eventually take over like battery powered power tools since Lithium-Ion batteries are ubiquitous, and will eventually indirectly contribute to increased petrol/diesel prices and marginalise fossil fuel economies of scale. Which may be a good thing, or the worst possible environmental outcome. Either way, I don't think I will be around to see it anyway at my age

I think Jovan’s Paradox will eventually prevail once EV’s have a significant market share.

But as you say, the current storage technology isn’t there yet. There will need to be an improved battery design for EV’s to move beyond the first adopters. We are already seeing a decline in projected EV sales across all the major makers. People generally aren’t ready to give up proven reliability for a more expensive alternative with its’ own set of inconvenient operating constraints that ICE vehicles don’t have.

[austinp]

Elon says all we need to do is build 500 sq mi of solar panels and it would power the United States. I bet TX or Nevada has the unused space for that.


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[Maleg]

Originally Posted by austinp

Elon says all we need to do is build 500 sq mi of solar panels and it would power the United States. I bet TX or Nevada has the unused space for that.


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But you’d lose half of that in the transmission going cross country. The solution is local generation. Sell a rooftop solar system with every EV. You might end up with the 500 square miles of solar panels bolted to garage roofs.

[rlx123]

Originally Posted by Michael1968

I’m not in EV cars. Waste of time when you waiting for them to charge

I agree. I have a friend who went to the beach with us and the rental didn’t have charging outlet. It was 9 pm and he had to drive back home early the next day and his battery was near empty. He had to drive out to a nearby charging station and waited 45 minutes to charge his car. I know that is is anecdotal, but I don’t want to be in a situation like that ever.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by austinp

Elon says all we need to do is build 500 sq mi of solar panels and it would power the United States. I bet TX or Nevada has the unused space for that.


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He said 10,000 square miles a couple of years ago (tweeting against Bill Gates).

The quote:
"All you need is a 100 by 100 mile patch in a deserted corner of Arizona, Texas or Utah (or anywhere) to more than power the entire USA."

Can’t be sure what that really meant without context - sometime Musk makes statements just to troll.


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