Patek vs. Lange

[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by waspy1

If you compare like for like complications, the Lange chrono is thinner than the Patek chrono.


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Wow! I have never done that, as I am quite content with my chrono, but always assumed that Patek makes svelte, delicate watches compared to Rolex, and thinner watches (albeit equally delicate) compared with ALS. Obviously, just my general impressions, having never owned nor even shopped for ALS or Patek watches (yet). I do admire both brands, and think they both make beautiful watches.

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

Wow! I have never done that, as I am quite content with my chrono, but always assumed that Patek makes svelte, delicate watches compared to Rolex, and thinner watches (albeit equally delicate) compared with ALS. Obviously, just my general impressions, having never owned nor even shopped for ALS or Patek watches (yet). I do admire both brands, and think they both make beautiful watches.

It’s certainly deceptive and probably due to the case design. The Patek looks and feels slimmer / sleeker but if you caliper them, the Lange edges it. The dato is significantly thicker than the basic chrono which is on account of fitting the date function. The Lange chrono is very wearable though, from proper dressy with the croc strap to pretty casual on anything else.

Here’s mine:



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[nyc2la]

A small niggle, but why doesn’t ALS use applied numerals?

[ap1]

Originally Posted by nyc2la

A small niggle, but why doesn’t ALS use applied numerals?

Not small - I wonder same thing. I’ll tell you what - the three D nature of the movement is often commented on but the dial also has several levels which I find very attractive. I’m still discovering stuff on mine. It’s awesome.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by waspy1

It’s certainly deceptive and probably due to the case design. The Patek looks and feels slimmer / sleeker but if you caliper them, the Lange edges it. The dato is significantly thicker than the basic chrono which is on account of fitting the date function. The Lange chrono is very wearable though, from proper dressy with the croc strap to pretty casual on anything else.

Lovely piece.

I thought the PP 5170 was 10.9mm compared to the ALS 1815 chrono at 11mm. When you bring the shape and style into the equation the Patek appears much slimmer - or have I got the figures wrong?
Dato is also lovely but very thick.

[waspy1]

Originally Posted by Russell996

Lovely piece.

I thought the PP 5170 was 10.9mm compared to the ALS 1815 chrono at 11mm. When you bring the shape and style into the equation the Patek appears much slimmer - or have I got the figures wrong?
Dato is also lovely but very thick.

1815 chrono is 10.8mm. It’s a small difference admittedly.


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[AK797]

Originally Posted by ap1

Not small - I wonder same thing. I’ll tell you what - the three D nature of the movement is often commented on but the dial also has several levels which I find very attractive. I’m still discovering stuff on mine. It’s awesome.

I think on yours it's to distinguish it from the Dato range, whose province that was. Esp given the spectacular casebacks are so similiar.

[Russell996]

Originally Posted by waspy1

1815 chrono is 10.8mm. It’s a small difference admittedly.


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According to ALS it’s 11mm - still a small difference. (or is there a previous version?)

https://www.alange-soehne.com/en/tim...uction/414-031

[Patek Philippe]

There are three versions of the 1815 chrono. The second version is 10.8mm. I am certain on that. The third version is slightly thicker 11mm due to the depth of the dial.

[conkers]

I will post a strong argument in favour of Lange early next week!

[Jay (Eire)]

I think one really needs to get down to comparing specific references, generalizations are only so helpful. For example, the frequently touted "Patek has better value retention than ALS". Not true in certain cases like comparing the hand wound chronographs 5170 and 1815. Neither hold their value particularly well and for the most part it's a close call on which you'd lose a great % on resale. In absolute terms your 5170 has a significantly higher MSRP though.

I own a ALS hockey puck (Dato U/D) and a somewhat svelte Patek (5711). Both equally pleasing, and bizarrely these days both "worth" roughly the same in the resale market.

[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

I think one really needs to get down to comparing specific references, generalizations are only so helpful. For example, the frequently touted "Patek has better value retention than ALS". Not true in certain cases like comparing the hand wound chronographs 5170 and 1815. Neither hold their value particularly well and for the most part it's a close call on which you'd lose a great % on resale. In absolute terms your 5170 has a significantly higher MSRP though.

I own a ALS hockey puck (Dato U/D) and a somewhat svelte Patek (5711). Both equally pleasing, and bizarrely these days both "worth" roughly the same in the resale market.

i prefer to buy Patek but the Dato is still my grail so i agree both are outstanding. If the Dato said patek on the dial it would make a difference for resale. That one when i finally acquire it isnt going anywhere though.

[Abdullasaif]

Originally Posted by Vaxe

I own both and Patek is much better finished. My impression of Lange has soften a bit after buying my Saxonia Thin.

If its automatic and by patek, a time only or a perpetual calendar have the same base movement.. decent but gets boring quick

[scrappy]

Originally Posted by Jay (Eire)

I own a ALS hockey puck (Dato U/D) and a somewhat svelte Patek (5711). Both equally pleasing, and bizarrely these days both "worth" roughly the same in the resale market.

Funny, I own both also and was wondering about the exact same thing earlier today. Turning both watches upside down really makes one wonder how they can possibly be available at the same price in the secondary - not to mention steel vs plat. Crazy.

[tom2517]

I don't have ALS but someone should do macros on the movement and compare to Patek.

Close ups on the 240 shows a lot of poor finishes.

http://www.watchprosite.com/patek-ph...66/1521746480/

Some even speculated that 240s on the more expensive Pateks will be finished better than the ones in the cheaper Pateks.

I have an opinion on this and will discuss it when I post my review on my 5131P.

[WJGESQ]

Have never ever considered a Lange as being in, at or near a PP.

[ansharma]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Have never ever considered a Lange as being in, at or near a PP.

Have you seen/handled Lange in person - the Datograph movement is particularly stunning.

Pic from the net...




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[tyler1980]

Originally Posted by WJGESQ

Have never ever considered a Lange as being in, at or near a PP.

it most certainly is based on merit. You can debate resale, value retention, design, or brand awareness all you want but based on pure watchmaking its on par with Patek and exceeds in certain aspects as well.

[tom2517]

Originally Posted by tyler1980

it most certainly is based on merit. You can debate resale, value retention, design, or brand awareness all you want but based on pure watchmaking its on par with Patek and exceeds in certain aspects as well.

Agreed, watch vs watch ALS is at the very least on par with Patek.

[ap1]

Do these help?



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[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by ap1

Do these help?



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How is legibility on that beauty?

[ap1]

Originally Posted by Chiboy

How is legibility on that beauty?

Was concerned going in from pics but non issue thus far


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[Chiboy]

Originally Posted by ap1

Was concerned going in from pics but non issue thus far


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Nice! That's a very beautiful watch.

[mps354]

Originally Posted by conkers

I will post a strong argument in favour of Lange early next week!

Triple split???

[mps354]

Originally Posted by ap1

Do these help?



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Very nice! Was thinking of flipping my 1st gen white dial for this

[AK797]

Originally Posted by mps354

Very nice! Was thinking of flipping my 1st gen white dial for this

Do it for sure, this combo is different gravy.

[ap1]

Rg May be dreamy too but this one is stealth mode

[rolexbrand]

Patek is known for its luxury, while Lange is known for its vintage existence, it all depends on the individual and which one you want

[pam66]

Originally Posted by tom2517

Agreed, watch vs watch ALS is at the very least on par with Patek.

surely not in case design. the lange cases all look alike (somewhat), same design sausage.

[Watch Admirer]

I like Patek's sports watches and some of Lange's pieces for dressing up