Newbie needing a legit check

[PaulSanz99]

Hi. New to Rolex collecting. I bought my first one, a submariner 2 tone blue, at Rolex on 5th ave. It’s been a few months and I came across a 2006 black dial sub. I took it to the Rolex at Hudson Yard and the technician said she hasn’t seen a clasp or warranty card like that before and advised me that it may be a fake. I’m hesitant of taking it to RSC on 5th because if it turns out fake I’ve heard they will confiscate it. Then it’ll be impossible for me to get my money back.
Please take a look at the pics. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you!

[justjay82]

I don’t have this model, and can’t comment on the card. But the clasp doesn’t look off to my eye anyway. Looks very similar to the clasp on the 14060.
Did they say what they were concerned about?

[w4rmk]

It looks ok (the photo quality is poor). But I would recommend bringing it to a good independent shop and having them inspect the movement. Should cost no more than about $75 for them to check it and if it's not legit you can ask for them to put that in writing on your receipt to provide to the seller.

[jedy617]

Looks fine to me, but google your nearest highly rated independent watchmaker, they will pop off the back to check for cheap, or possibly even free My local shop has no problem doing it for free.

[JoeyT]

Looks good to me, but these pictures are poor

[thekman]

if you bought it from rolex on 5th avenue, there should really be no concern about its authenticity.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by thekman

if you bought it from rolex on 5th avenue, there should really be no concern about its authenticity.

This....

[IR201]

Hate to ask this, but any chance the technician at hudson yards has no idea what she is talking about? Perhaps she has only dealt with 6 digit models so hasn't seen the older warranty cards and clasps??

You never said where you got the one in question - knowing the source of purchase might help shed some insight on authenticity.

But yeah, get it checked.

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by thekman

if you bought it from rolex on 5th avenue, there should really be no concern about its authenticity.

I apologize for the misunderstanding. I bought my first Rolex at 5th ave. It was a brand new 2019 2 tone sub with a blue dial. But since then, I’ve came across a 2006 2 tone black sub from an independent seller. The Rolex in question and pictured is the 2006 from the independent seller.

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by JoeyT

Looks good to me, but these pictures are poor

Sorry for the picture quality. This forum kept forcing me to compress the size of the photo. It’s my first time posting.

[kieselguhr]

Welcome to TRF. Just so you know, Rolex doesn’t have the authority to “confiscate” anything.

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by IR201

Hate to ask this, but any chance the technician at hudson yards has no idea what she is talking about? Perhaps she has only dealt with 6 digit models so hasn't seen the older warranty cards and clasps??

You never said where you got the one in question - knowing the source of purchase might help shed some insight on authenticity.

But yeah, get it checked.

I think she might be a rookie, but so am I lol. I’m getting it checked by someone tomorrow. Hopefully it’ll pass that test.

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Welcome to TRF. Just so you know, Rolex doesn’t have the authority to “confiscate” anything.

I read on another thread here and that was a big argument. Some say they do because of copyright infringement. I honestly don’t know if the service center has that right.

[123Blueface]

Will only be confiscated if stolen.
If not genuine. Will return to you.

[Robtayham]

It sounds like you’re in NYC.

Run, don’t walk, to the RSC on 5th. Tell them you want a service estimate. Their quote and the conversation you’ll have with them will tell you everything you meed to know about this watch. And...if it’s a fake, you’re going throw it away right? I mean, it’s worthless.

[jedy617]

Originally Posted by Robtayham

It sounds like you’re in NYC.

Run, don’t walk, to the RSC on 5th. Tell them you want a service estimate. Their quote and the conversation you’ll have with them will tell you everything you meed to know about this watch. And...if it’s a fake, you’re going throw it away right? I mean, it’s worthless.

He wants to keep it if it's fake to give back to the seller with proof

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by Robtayham

It sounds like you’re in NYC.

Run, don’t walk, to the RSC on 5th. Tell them you want a service estimate. Their quote and the conversation you’ll have with them will tell you everything you meed to know about this watch. And...if it’s a fake, you’re going throw it away right? I mean, it’s worthless.

If it’s fake, I’m getting a refund. It was paid via PayPal. But I’ll be forced to return it. Can’t return it if it’s in the garbage or maybe confiscated.

[Robtayham]

Originally Posted by PaulSanz99

If it’s fake, I’m getting a refund. It was paid via PayPal. But I’ll be forced to return it. Can’t return it if it’s in the garbage or maybe confiscated.

Definitely keep it, if they’ll give you a refund!

Don’t let too much time go between your purchase and your request for a refund.

[Stew7]

I wouldn’t panic. Does the serial on the watch match the warranty card? They changed from papers to the card somewhere around 2007 so that is probably fine. The bracelet looks just fine for a 16613 based on your photos. Is the stamping correct on it?

Did the technician offer any actual facts other than saying “it didn’t look right?”

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by Robtayham

Definitely keep it, if they’ll give you a refund!

Don’t let too much time go between your purchase and your request for a refund.

Of course. I’m taking care of this tomorrow. Thanks for the advice.

[Craigdwh]

I'm surprised no one has mentioned the pip. looks way off to me.

[PaulSanz99]

Originally Posted by Stew7

I wouldn’t panic. Does the serial on the watch match the warranty card? They changed from papers to the card somewhere around 2007 so that is probably fine. The bracelet looks just fine for a 16613 based on your photos. Is the stamping correct on it?

Did the technician offer any actual facts other than saying “it didn’t look right?”

The technician said, “I’ve never seen this type of clasp before” and when I showed her the warranty card she literally said, “that’s fake, our cards do not look like that”. She also referred to the white dot on the top of the bezel was strange.
I believe the the small holes on the clasp threw her off because the new sub I have has the sliding feature for wrist adjustment which is much easier to use that the little holes.

[77T]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Welcome to TRF. Just so you know, Rolex doesn’t have the authority to “confiscate” anything.

Rolex can retain any item that they suspect is evidence of a crime - and they do this routinely every week.

Not because of an aftermarket crystal or generic bracelet - but for more serious matters.

The first type of crime where they exercise that prerogative is if the watch is on the Rolex theft report. The second type is when a watch is counterfeit - in other words, violates the Lanham Act of 1946 15 U.S.C. § 1051.

You get a nice letter from Rolex Legal Dept. explaining what you must do to recover your property from the authorities where the watch is shipped.

In the case of theft, the jurisdiction where the police report of the theft was filed.

In the case of counterfeiting, the FBI Southern District of NY office in Manhattan.


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[77T]

Originally Posted by PaulSanz99

Please take a look at the pics. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you!

The rep you met was probably unaware of the different clasps for TT Subs.

I see nothing wrong in yours. In the 1990’s they looked like this...no gold on the clasp.



Then in 2000’s switched to what you have with the band of gold on the clasp.

What I think the rep is used to seeing is the 6-digit model clasps like this one....




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[Rado63]

In New York there is bound to be plenty of shops dealing in vintage and pre owned Rolex. Go there spend the time money to have the case back opened and check the bracelet to the model and serial number, and go from there. The AD has mostly seen new and unless you go to an AD and they deal in pre-owned, may not always be someone familiar with what you have.

[WS9D]

I'm confused. In one of the pics posted, the rehault appears engraved with the rolexrolexrolex. On another pic further down, it does not have the engraved rehault. Are you showing us two different watches? Can someone else confirm what i'm seeing, or is it time to get the eyes checked?

[jedy617]

Originally Posted by Ks6pd

I'm confused. In one of the pics posted, the rehault appears engraved with the rolexrolexrolex. On another pic further down, it does not have the engraved rehault. Are you showing us two different watches? Can someone else confirm what i'm seeing, or is it time to get the eyes checked?

Just a very blurry pic and not at the right angle to see it

[joli160]

Originally Posted by 77T

The rep you met was probably unaware of the different clasps for TT Subs.

I see nothing wrong in yours. In the 1990’s they looked like this...no gold on the clasp.



Then in 2000’s switched to what you have with the band of gold on the clasp.

What I think the rep is used to seeing is the 6-digit model clasps like this one....

This ^^^

Having it checked out by someone also means nothing ...
Go to the RSC and ask for a service estimate, as others have said they won't keep it.
If it's a fake you need real proof to return it and the RSC is the best place to provide that.
Generally sales people have no clue.

Btw I see no issues with the clasp

[cocopeep]

Originally Posted by Ks6pd

I'm confused. In one of the pics posted, the rehault appears engraved with the rolexrolexrolex. On another pic further down, it does not have the engraved rehault. Are you showing us two different watches? Can someone else confirm what i'm seeing, or is it time to get the eyes checked?

Wow you have a point, it does have a rolexrolex rehaut but only the newer watches like after 2005 or so had that

[Wk33outlaw]

Originally Posted by cocopeep

Wow you have a point, it does have a rolexrolex rehaut but only the newer watches like after 2005 or so had that

OP said the watch was a 2006 so that doesnt seem to be an issue.