Tudor Snowflake (linesiders help?)

[Lesnerelli23]

FS: 1980 TUDOR ‘Snowflake’ Submariner 94110 (aka 9411/0) - Serviced
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Above is a listing here on TRF. I’d really appreciate any help/opinions on price vs condition and any authenticity issues.

My eye is not trained well enough yet. However, I thought everything looked pretty good except the bezel and insert. The listing mentions the insert but I thought the actual bezel looked off too.

The flaking lume on the hands I know is an issue of age but are there maintenance concerns with it getting into the movement or anything like that I’d have to plan for?


Thanks so much for any advice!!!


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[Dom9]

Would be interested in TuRo and Linesider's thoughts on that one. I thought the insert looked quite 5513 service, not sure about the bezel ring itself.

There's just something about the dial though... The lume looks pretty crisp and seems very close to the "SWISS" at the 6 and the whole thing looks very 'fresh'. Could it be refinished?

Don't want to cast aspersions on a member's sale thread, just interested. Doesn't 'feel' to me like my 9411/0s but I guess there 94110 was later and slightly updated.

[alwayshere]

As Dom said, it looks like service later service insert.

The dial looks fine to me but shows some aging. The hands can be relumed but noted its been "stabilised" already.

$6150 feels on the lower side I think, especially with a bracelet.

[Lesnerelli23]

Originally Posted by alwayshere

$6150 feels on the lower side I think, especially with a bracelet.

That’s exactly why I’m feeling cautiously optimistic!


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[Dench]

Replacing the insert and dealing with the hands make this one not on the low side for me., maybe average It does look to be running well though.

[Dom9]

If you want a period correct insert... I guess there is another ~$1k+ and the hands (specifically the hour) do detract from the look, for me. I find myself struggling to decide whether a relume would be a good thing though. Bracelet is technically incorrect and maybe a bit stretchy (one pic where it's on a curve) but difficult to tell from the pics...

Is it 'cheap'? I'd say not. "Lower" seems very fair as, as AH says, and you could always sell that bracelet on (if you went say 9315/7836). But I track Tudor Sub prices reasonably closely (not at the granularity of differentiating between say 9411 and 94110) and I do think the market is softening for the non-collector stuff.

If it's running nicely (seems to be); good watch for wearing and maybe a bit of a project to restore over the coming years is my view. However, there are more 'period correct/complete' watches out there, so do have a good look round.

From the number of watches still for sale at punchy prices, I suspect anything that is moving is only moving after an offer, so maybe worth exhausting some of the more 'period correct' pieces first, which might result in more 'value' - if you're dipping your toe into vintage.

Up to you, OP - I'd wear it happily! All the service parts on my 9411s don't bother me (but they were cheaper than this a year ago, and one is blue). Could it be cheaper next month? Maybe: It's not a flipper. So buy it if you'll wear it and perhaps don't put any money into it and enjoy it for what it is.

[996marty]

I could live with a relume on the hands and insert not being correct and maybe wear it as a daily. As Dom mentioned prices are a bit all over the place at the moment. I’d just say they are great watches for the money

[Lesnerelli23]

Originally Posted by Dom9

If you want a period correct insert... I guess there is another ~$1k+ and the hands (specifically the hour) do detract from the look, for me. I find myself struggling to decide whether a relume would be a good thing though. Bracelet is technically incorrect and maybe a bit stretchy (one pic where it's on a curve) but difficult to tell from the pics...

Is it 'cheap'? I'd say not. "Lower" seems very fair as, as AH says, and you could always sell that bracelet on (if you went say 9315/7836). But I track Tudor Sub prices reasonably closely (not at the granularity of differentiating between say 9411 and 94110) and I do think the market is softening for the non-collector stuff.

If it's running nicely (seems to be); good watch for wearing and maybe a bit of a project to restore over the coming years is my view. However, there are more 'period correct/complete' watches out there, so do have a good look round.

From the number of watches still for sale at punchy prices, I suspect anything that is moving is only moving after an offer, so maybe worth exhausting some of the more 'period correct' pieces first, which might result in more 'value' - if you're dipping your toe into vintage.

Up to you, OP - I'd wear it happily! All the service parts on my 9411s don't bother me (but they were cheaper than this a year ago, and one is blue). Could it be cheaper next month? Maybe: It's not a flipper. So buy it if you'll wear it and perhaps don't put any money into it and enjoy it for what it is.

Thank you, it would be for wearing so I found the accuracy and WR to be very attractive selling points. I’m not a flipper or investor by any means. I would maybe even move the bracelet on and wear it exclusively on straps.

The hands don’t bother me as long as it’s not something that will hurt the movement in the near future.


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[TuRo]

Looks ok, service bezel and insert and crown and plexi and 93150 of course.

Original datewheel.

The hands are mismatched a bit (common on snowflake) and oil from pinion darkening toward centre and a bit missing.

It's the Swiss touching the 6 version and is period.

Case etc is pukka and correct e/l shaped indents.

I'd agree with AH, that it's keenly priced, given the £800-1000 93150 incl, but it's not the most attractive one I've seen with some early spotting on hour markers, the hands (orig but tarnished and bit dilapidated but I suspect could be fixed up fairly cheaply) service bits etc...but a good cheap 'flake nevertheless.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by TuRo

Looks ok, service bezel and insert and crown and plexi and 93150 of course.

Original datewheel.

The hands are mismatched a bit (common on snowflake) and oil from pinion darkening toward centre and a bit missing.

It's the Swiss touching the 6 version and is period.

Case etc is pukka and correct e/l shaped indents.

I'd agree with AH, that it's keenly priced, given the £800-1000 93150 incl, but it's not the most attractive one I've seen with some early spotting on hour markers, the hands (orig but tarnished and bit dilapidated but I suspect could be fixed up fairly cheaply) service bits etc...but a good cheap 'flake nevertheless.

What TuRo said

Find the correct fat font insert for this and you're good to go. Dial is the correct ZUB for that time. Before it went to the S dial soon thereafter.

Case is OK, not great, hands self explanatory, insert later service. Good entry price into an average snowflake.

[Lesnerelli23]

Thanks! This all helps a lot and I really appreciate it!!!

I’m currently negotiating with the seller :)


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[Dom9]

Looking forward to the wrist shot OP!

[Lesnerelli23]

Unfortunately we couldn’t arrive at an agreement. Mostly because of me as I’m only looking to trade currently and downsize the collection. So sadly no incoming wrist shot at this time :/

However, the seller was very cool and I enjoyed chatting with him and trying to work something out.


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[Dom9]

Sorry to hear! Great to have positive feedback on a member though!