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paultran37 · 13 March 2010, 04:16 AM

I traded one of my watch to someone on craigslist yesterday and got scam. I got a fake wacth in return. I took the watch to a dealer and they did confirm the watch was a fake. Any recommendation on what I should do?
HELP!!

This is his information:

danielhollander@ymail.com
202 549 6277

Mosco · 13 March 2010, 04:17 AM

Paul,

I would call the police first. Was it a local deal?

ParisDakarBmw · 13 March 2010, 04:18 AM

you could file a police report, but that sounds like a civil issue. Any way to track the address, IP address, list your watch as stolen possibly

wantonebad · 13 March 2010, 04:18 AM

Call the police

ParisDakarBmw · 13 March 2010, 04:18 AM

In Georgia it would fall under theft by deception

Tools · 13 March 2010, 04:19 AM

first, contact the trader and ask him to make it right..

Otherwise, it is a criminal investigation........... fraud is a crime and for the cost of a Rolex, frequently a felony.....

paultran37 · 13 March 2010, 04:19 AM

Yes, it was local. All I have is his number. I think he use a fake name. I traded one of my rolex datejust for his omega limited edition.

If I contact the police, I'm not sure what they can do.

ersnyder · 13 March 2010, 04:19 AM

That's just terrible Paul, sorry it happened.

File a police report and see what civil actions are available to you. Probably not much chance of recovery but it never hurts to try.

paultran37 · 13 March 2010, 04:21 AM

I tried to contact call and email him at least 10 times....NO ANSWER.

p_surabhi · 13 March 2010, 04:22 AM

very sorry to here that... Hope u find that skunk and get back your watch. Good Luck.

paultran37 · 13 March 2010, 04:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by p_surabhi

very sorry to here that... Hope u find that skunk and get back your watch. Good luck.

thanks!

theken · 13 March 2010, 04:25 AM

Do you have a bill of sale/contract that states that the watch you received is a genuine and original Rolex product? If you do not, you simply traded a watch for a watch. If this was a face to face transaction, you most likely have little recourse if any.

paultran37 · 13 March 2010, 04:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theken

Do you have a bill of sale/contract that states that the watch you received is a genuine and original Rolex product? If you do not, you simply traded a watch for a watch. If this was a face to face transaction, you most likely have little recourse if any.

It was a face to face transaction. I guess I should of inspect more before I agree to the trade. Being too trustworthy really cost me this time.
So everyone out there.......don't be too trustworthy. I know that now.

theken · 13 March 2010, 04:29 AM

I thought you traded a Rolex for a Rolex.
In this trade, if you received an Omega and you need a document from the other party that the Omega you received is genuine and original.

AuMDLST · 13 March 2010, 04:32 AM

It's only theft/deception if you can prove the other party knowingly committed the transaction. If he was unaware of the fake then he did no wrong. You would be entitled to your watch back as the contract was for a real watch.

Alan111 · 13 March 2010, 04:34 AM

Call the police ASAP. The police have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to these types of scams, especially from craigslist. I hope you will be as fortunate as I was.

I once met someone face-to-face to buy a blackberry. Long story short, it was a stolen blackberry and I was unable to activate it with verizon. Filed a police report and yadda yadda yadda. Kept the locked phone and sold it on ebay for parts. 3 months later, the detective from the NYPD that was working on my case called me up and said that the perp is willing to pay back 2.5 times the amount what I paid him to drop the charges. I agreed. The perp dropped off the money to the police precint and I came to pick it up 2 days later.

I hope you will be as lucky as I was. The police should be able to help you. I'm sure there were surveillance cameras nearby where you met where they can get a better visual. Also, they have the power to find out whom the cell phone number belongs to.

Good luck

Alan111 · 13 March 2010, 04:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AuMDLST

It's only theft/deception if you can prove the other party knowingly committed the transaction. If he was unaware of the fake then he did no wrong. You would be entitled to your watch back as the contract was for a real watch.

Wrong. Whether he knew it was fake or not, does not absolve him from the crime of selling fake goods.

onkyo · 13 March 2010, 04:39 AM

Sorry to hear you were scammed on craigslist... it is filled with crooks.

These thieves use fake names, prepaid phones, and revolving email addresses making finding them hard to find.

Time is important so call the police and file a report.

kyle L · 13 March 2010, 04:39 AM

Do you have a link the the Craigslist?

zlin08033 · 13 March 2010, 04:40 AM

Paul, I'm very sorry to hear this story, but I think you have very little chance to do anything against the guy who traded watch to you, specially it is face to face deal. He can also say he gave you the real watch, you switch watch and now you are trying to scam him with the fake one. How can you prove the fake watch is the one you got from him?

Quote:

Originally Posted by paultran37

It was a face to face transaction. I guess I should of inspect more before I agree to the trade. Being too trustworthy really cost me this time.
So everyone out there.......don't be too trustworthy. I know that now.

Casey VP-26 · 13 March 2010, 04:47 AM

Call the Police. If he didn't know it was a fake he wouldn't be avoiding Now . CALL THE POLICE.

robertneville · 13 March 2010, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paultran37

I tried to contact call and email him at least 10 times....NO ANSWER.

Paul, PM me. if you can forward the email he sent you to me we can track down where he sent it from at least (even if it was from a disposable email account)

Phil G. · 13 March 2010, 04:49 AM

Paul, I'm sorry you got scammed by a craigslister, but you're not the first. This story should be a lesson to you and everyone else on TRF - let the buyer beware! You should have verified the authenticity of the watch you were receiving in trade, prior to completing the transaction. I blame you for not getting the appropriate paperwork, and taking the watch to an Omega jeweler to verify it. Shame on you - now go call the police immediately, and good luck with recouping your Rolex.

swissautopro · 13 March 2010, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Phil G.

Paul, I'm sorry you got scammed by a craigslister, but you're not the first. This story should be a lesson to you and everyone else on TRF - let the buyer beware! You should have verified the authenticity of the watch you were receiving in trade, prior to completing the transaction. I blame you for not getting the appropriate paperwork, and taking the watch to an Omega jeweler to verify it. Shame on you - now go call the police immediately, and good luck with recouping your Rolex.

Harsh, but true. Craigslist is no place for rookies. There are way too many reputable folks right here on the forum to take risks on CL, unless you are a very, very educated collector.

I am sorry to hear it, Paul, and I hope it works out for you.

1000ftSub · 13 March 2010, 05:14 AM

Ouch! Sorry that happened. Keep us posted.

MitchSteel · 13 March 2010, 05:14 AM

Yowsa!! Sorry to hear Paul.Craigslist,Ebay, Kijjiji...all them places are sworming with scammers and scumbags.A good reminder to myself and others to be careful out there.These scam artists are working very hard everyday at coming up with new ways to steal honest peoples cash.good thing we have mods here on TRF who watch out for shady posts, and keep us informed.I've been lucky so far, but I've been dealing with known sellers or face to face.I have no advice to offer to you Paul, but I hope you get your money back.

bodybump · 13 March 2010, 05:19 AM

Oh man not again!!!!

Paul you need to act fast..or he will be gone...You traded watches face to face...Phone might be a pre paid from wallmart...Even if he get caught..he can just deny it...it will take a lot of evidence to have this guy locked up...Did you meet up on a jeweler???

Bebot · 13 March 2010, 05:26 AM

This is SUCKS!!!

Sorry to hear this.

AWATCH · 13 March 2010, 05:51 AM

Sorry to hear about this, I hope it works out for you. Give the Police a call...

User Name · 13 March 2010, 05:56 AM

another day and another scammer, when will it end. probably never. sorry to hear this...... neil

13 March 2010, 04:16 AM	#1
paultran37 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: paul Location: virginia Watch: PRESIDENT 118238 Z Posts: 455	I got scam on craiglists..... I traded one of my watch to someone on craigslist yesterday and got scam. I got a fake wacth in return. I took the watch to a dealer and they did confirm the watch was a fake. Any recommendation on what I should do? HELP!! This is his information: danielhollander@ymail.com 202 549 6277

13 March 2010, 04:17 AM	#2
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Paul, I would call the police first. Was it a local deal? __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

13 March 2010, 04:18 AM	#4
wantonebad 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: USA Watch: 126600, 116500LN Posts: 12,834	Call the police __________________ "I'm kind of a big deal... on a fairly irrelevant social media site that falsely inflates my fragile ego"

13 March 2010, 04:19 AM	#6
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 DATE-JUST41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,068	first, contact the trader and ask him to make it right.. Otherwise, it is a criminal investigation........... fraud is a crime and for the cost of a Rolex, frequently a felony..... __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

13 March 2010, 04:19 AM	#7
paultran37 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: paul Location: virginia Watch: PRESIDENT 118238 Z Posts: 455	Yes. Yes, it was local. All I have is his number. I think he use a fake name. I traded one of my rolex datejust for his omega limited edition. If I contact the police, I'm not sure what they can do.

13 March 2010, 04:18 AM	#3
ParisDakarBmw Banned Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: Paul Location: New Haven, CT Watch: 116610 Sub-C Posts: 6,552	you could file a police report, but that sounds like a civil issue. Any way to track the address, IP address, list your watch as stolen possibly

13 March 2010, 04:19 AM	#8
ersnyder 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Eric Location: Long Beach CA USA Watch: Rolex Explorer II Posts: 4,102	That's just terrible Paul, sorry it happened. File a police report and see what civil actions are available to you. Probably not much chance of recovery but it never hurts to try.

13 March 2010, 04:21 AM	#9
paultran37 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: paul Location: virginia Watch: PRESIDENT 118238 Z Posts: 455	I tried to contact call and email him at least 10 times....NO ANSWER.

13 March 2010, 04:22 AM	#10
p_surabhi "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: 40° 45' 21" Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 473	very sorry to here that... Hope u find that skunk and get back your watch. Good Luck.

13 March 2010, 04:25 AM	#12
theken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 3,417	Do you have a bill of sale/contract that states that the watch you received is a genuine and original Rolex product? If you do not, you simply traded a watch for a watch. If this was a face to face transaction, you most likely have little recourse if any.

13 March 2010, 04:29 AM	#14
theken "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: USA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 3,417	I thought you traded a Rolex for a Rolex. In this trade, if you received an Omega and you need a document from the other party that the Omega you received is genuine and original.

13 March 2010, 04:32 AM	#15
AuMDLST "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Texas Watch: All of them Posts: 162	Theft?? It's only theft/deception if you can prove the other party knowingly committed the transaction. If he was unaware of the fake then he did no wrong. You would be entitled to your watch back as the contract was for a real watch.

13 March 2010, 04:34 AM	#16
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	Call the police ASAP. The police have a zero tolerance policy when it comes to these types of scams, especially from craigslist. I hope you will be as fortunate as I was. I once met someone face-to-face to buy a blackberry. Long story short, it was a stolen blackberry and I was unable to activate it with verizon. Filed a police report and yadda yadda yadda. Kept the locked phone and sold it on ebay for parts. 3 months later, the detective from the NYPD that was working on my case called me up and said that the perp is willing to pay back 2.5 times the amount what I paid him to drop the charges. I agreed. The perp dropped off the money to the police precint and I came to pick it up 2 days later. I hope you will be as lucky as I was. The police should be able to help you. I'm sure there were surveillance cameras nearby where you met where they can get a better visual. Also, they have the power to find out whom the cell phone number belongs to. Good luck

13 March 2010, 04:39 AM	#18
onkyo Banned Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: Pav Location: Manhattan Posts: 11,495	Sorry to hear you were scammed on craigslist... it is filled with crooks. These thieves use fake names, prepaid phones, and revolving email addresses making finding them hard to find. Time is important so call the police and file a report.

13 March 2010, 04:39 AM	#19
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	Do you have a link the the Craigslist?

13 March 2010, 04:47 AM	#21
Casey VP-26 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: America Posts: 2,672	Call the Police. If he didn't know it was a fake he wouldn't be avoiding Now . CALL THE POLICE.

13 March 2010, 04:49 AM	#23
Phil G. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Real Name: Phil Location: Pennsylvania Watch: GMT Master IIc Posts: 248	Paul, I'm sorry you got scammed by a craigslister, but you're not the first. This story should be a lesson to you and everyone else on TRF - let the buyer beware! You should have verified the authenticity of the watch you were receiving in trade, prior to completing the transaction. I blame you for not getting the appropriate paperwork, and taking the watch to an Omega jeweler to verify it. Shame on you - now go call the police immediately, and good luck with recouping your Rolex. __________________ 1988 R160133 SS/YG Datejust 1996 N16700 SS GMT Master (Pepsi) 2010 V116710 SS GMT Master IIc

13 March 2010, 05:14 AM	#25
1000ftSub "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Mike Location: Orlando Posts: 2,471	Ouch! Sorry that happened. Keep us posted.

13 March 2010, 05:14 AM	#26
MitchSteel "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: MDangerSteel Location: Canada Watch: Vintage Rolex Posts: 2,301	Yowsa!! Sorry to hear Paul.Craigslist,Ebay, Kijjiji...all them places are sworming with scammers and scumbags.A good reminder to myself and others to be careful out there.These scam artists are working very hard everyday at coming up with new ways to steal honest peoples cash.good thing we have mods here on TRF who watch out for shady posts, and keep us informed.I've been lucky so far, but I've been dealing with known sellers or face to face.I have no advice to offer to you Paul, but I hope you get your money back. __________________ Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons Probability of survival is inversely proportional to the angle of arrival---Capt. Rage Don't believe anything in aviation, 'till V1---Mitch Danger Steel

13 March 2010, 05:19 AM	#27
bodybump ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐ 2024 DATEJUST41 Sponsor & Boutique Seller Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Oscar Location: Florida Watch: Me!!! Posts: 23,225	Oh man not again!!!! Paul you need to act fast..or he will be gone...You traded watches face to face...Phone might be a pre paid from wallmart...Even if he get caught..he can just deny it...it will take a lot of evidence to have this guy locked up...Did you meet up on a jeweler??? __________________

13 March 2010, 05:26 AM	#28
Bebot "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Emil Location: Bay Area, CA Watch: U macallit Posts: 2,645	This is SUCKS!!! Sorry to hear this. __________________ Emil --- __0 __0 __0 ----_-\<,_ -\<, _(_)(_)/_(_)/ (_)

13 March 2010, 05:51 AM	#29
AWATCH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: al Location: GEORGIA Watch: Explorer II Posts: 1,759	Sorry to hear about this, I hope it works out for you. Give the Police a call... __________________ Al

13 March 2010, 05:56 AM	#30
User Name "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Neil Location: Ohio Watch: GmtIIc Posts: 142	another day and another scammer, when will it end. probably never. sorry to hear this...... neil

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