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greekbum · 20 August 2011, 01:28 AM

While this is not a Rolex I think its 1 of the nicest Automatic Chronographs ever produced in the 70’s.Sometimes the vintage bug takes you to other brands and this will be a keeper for me. My research tells me there is around 500 of these produced some had grey dials some black and they were branded Zenith or Movado but had the same ref#.If anybody knows more on this please pm me or post here.If this had been a Rolex with an El Primero movement in 1972 with only around 500 made.........
I picked this up locally a couple of months ago from the son in law of the original owner. His father in law was a watchmaker and this was his personal watch that he was overhauling at the time of his passing. It has sat in a safe like you see it since the 80’s until I purchased it. All of the parts are there and it has a dial with the perfect patina for me.Never polished or serviced prior its as they say all original.It’s a Movado (Zenith)ref # 01-0150-415. I cannot get a crystal gasket anywhere and LVMH will not service it here in the USA so it is off with me to Greece where Zenith who has the crystal and the gasket will service it after many emails with Zenith in Geneva. I have searched everywhere for information on this model has anybody here ever owned 1 ?
I did find this advert online.

Here it is as I bought it.

Frogman4me · 20 August 2011, 01:35 AM

Very nice! Looks big, what size is that monster?

Dan Pierce · 20 August 2011, 01:35 AM

Very cool vintage chrono, Nikos!!

Restoring this baby might take some work but well worth it.

Best of luck and can't wait to see the results.
dP

harry in montreal · 20 August 2011, 01:38 AM

now THAT is a watch !

what a beauty. good luck in the finding the missing lens.

Harry

Jagatai · 20 August 2011, 01:39 AM

Wow! that's a sweeeeet watch. Never seen anything like it.

greekbum · 20 August 2011, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frogman4me

Very nice! Looks big, what size is that monster?

Without the pushers in around 44mm its a monster

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

Very cool vintage chrono, Nikos!!

Restoring this baby might take some work but well worth it.

Best of luck and can't wait to see the results.
dP

Thanks Dan actually it just needs to be put back together.The gasket is all that was preventing me doing it in the USA as they dont sell parts and refuse service. And they have the $2.00 part. LOL
I will post pics when its completed.

gansevoort · 20 August 2011, 03:46 AM

I have one but under the Zenith brand . Love that watch !

conrail · 20 August 2011, 04:07 AM

Wow - very cool, before Movado went all "museum timepiece" on us! haha

1675-David · 20 August 2011, 04:32 AM

It's going to be gorgeous

HL65 · 20 August 2011, 04:33 AM

Very cool Nick--and so unique!

Beaumont Miller II · 20 August 2011, 04:38 AM

Thanks for posting. I can't wait to see it when it's done and the gasket in place.

Mosco · 20 August 2011, 04:44 AM

Damn - Movado don't make them like that anymore...

Jason71 · 20 August 2011, 05:04 AM

I'd say that is going to look SWEET when it's done.

kyle L · 20 August 2011, 06:38 AM

Great watch, I've seen one other before and man it's huge!

greekbum · 20 August 2011, 06:40 AM

A BIG thank you to the person that emailed me these.
Now I see that there really was only 500 made

skyedog · 20 August 2011, 07:11 AM

Very nice finding Niko!

Racer X · 21 August 2011, 05:47 AM

Cool. Looking forward to seeing her assembled.

T5AUS · 21 August 2011, 06:35 AM

That's a cracker Nikos, nicely aged lume, a great score, having the original bracelet is a bonus too. I have a Zenith version in bits somewhere, must dig it out and finish putting it back together.
Stay lucky

lsavoldi · 23 August 2011, 11:33 PM

Hi Greekbum,
I've got this Movado-Zenith Datron 360 last year. It is a very nice chrono, from 1970.
I did a quick research, and it carries the El Primero movement.
I am a vintage Rolex big fan, but IMHO this watch is as nice as an old good rolex.
Here is some additional info I've got in the net.

The "El Primero" chronograph was developed in the late 1960's by a colloborative effort between Movado and Zenith watch companies, and is recognized as the first automatic chronograph movement with date ever produced. The placement of the date window at 4:30 on the dial was a distinctive feature of the "El Primero," although Movado also produced an early "El Primero" variant with date at 12:00. Here is a rare late 1960's vintage Movado automatic chronograph with the high-grade high-beat "El Primero" movement with date at 12:00. Here's the details on this highly collectible automatic chronograph: MOVADO ("Datron HS-360" Automatic Chronograph) - Excellent 43mm signed stainless steel screwback case with unidirectionally ratcheting rotating diver's bezel with black/white bakelite insert, round chronograph push buttons at 2:00 and 4:00, signed 31 jewel high-grade high-beat "El Primero" automatic chronograph movement with date (calibre 3019 PHC), excellent original signed black dial with three sunken silver embossed registers (constant seconds, minutes to 30, hours to 12), raised silver Movado "Top Hat" logo at 12:00, silver hands and chronograph sweep seconds, date aperture at 12:00, signed original crystal, signed original screwdown crown, generic full-length stainless steel flip-clasp bracelet. The Movado "Datron HS-360" was one of the earliest versions of the "El Primero" automatic chronograph movement, and was issued only under the Movado marque. The "Datron HS-360" version of the "El Primero" incorporated the high-grade high-beat (36k BPH) automatic movement "which gave a better and more stable rate due to the higher frequency...automatic winding and high precision fast-beating movements made these extremely good wristwatches ("The Movado History," Fritz von Osterhausen, p. 154).

ob1 · 23 August 2011, 11:47 PM

That will look the business when put back together Nikos, good luck mate!

greekbum · 24 August 2011, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lsavoldi

Hi Greekbum,
I've got this Movado-Zenith Datron 360 last year. It is a very nice chrono, from 1970.
I did a quick research, and it carries the El Primero movement.
I am a vintage Rolex big fan, but IMHO this watch is as nice as an old good rolex.
Here is some additional info I've got in the net.

The "El Primero" chronograph was developed in the late 1960's by a colloborative effort between Movado and Zenith watch companies, and is recognized as the first automatic chronograph movement with date ever produced. The placement of the date window at 4:30 on the dial was a distinctive feature of the "El Primero," although Movado also produced an early "El Primero" variant with date at 12:00. Here is a rare late 1960's vintage Movado automatic chronograph with the high-grade high-beat "El Primero" movement with date at 12:00. Here's the details on this highly collectible automatic chronograph: MOVADO ("Datron HS-360" Automatic Chronograph) - Excellent 43mm signed stainless steel screwback case with unidirectionally ratcheting rotating diver's bezel with black/white bakelite insert, round chronograph push buttons at 2:00 and 4:00, signed 31 jewel high-grade high-beat "El Primero" automatic chronograph movement with date (calibre 3019 PHC), excellent original signed black dial with three sunken silver embossed registers (constant seconds, minutes to 30, hours to 12), raised silver Movado "Top Hat" logo at 12:00, silver hands and chronograph sweep seconds, date aperture at 12:00, signed original crystal, signed original screwdown crown, generic full-length stainless steel flip-clasp bracelet. The Movado "Datron HS-360" was one of the earliest versions of the "El Primero" automatic chronograph movement, and was issued only under the Movado marque. The "Datron HS-360" version of the "El Primero" incorporated the high-grade high-beat (36k BPH) automatic movement "which gave a better and more stable rate due to the higher frequency...automatic winding and high precision fast-beating movements made these extremely good wristwatches ("The Movado History," Fritz von Osterhausen, p. 154).

Here is an original advert for your watch. Nice watch

Keeperoftime · 24 August 2011, 01:42 AM

Wow! looks massive.

lsavoldi · 24 August 2011, 06:41 AM

Thanks for posting the ad. The only noticeable differences are: My watch has the "Zenith " engraved on the dial as well, and it has a Zenith braceklet.
Any idea on how many were produced?
thanks

greekbum · 19 October 2011, 07:44 AM

I am soooo excited. My watch is on its way back to me via Greece today. It wasnt ready yet when I left Greece last week but they finished it a few days ago and my buddy Tempoking agreed to bring it back for me. I cant wait to wear it.

Dan Pierce · 19 October 2011, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekbum

I am soooo excited. My watch is on its way back to me via Greece today. It wasnt ready yet when I left Greece last week but they finished it a few days ago and my buddy Tempoking agreed to bring it back for me. I cant wait to wear it.

Can't wait to see it, Nikos!

dP

Submarino · 19 October 2011, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by greekbum

I am soooo excited. My watch is on its way back to me via Greece today. It wasnt ready yet when I left Greece last week but they finished it a few days ago and my buddy Tempoking agreed to bring it back for me. I cant wait to wear it.

Can't wait to see the pics! I bet it looks beyond fantastic.

cruvon · 19 October 2011, 08:47 AM

She's a stunner Nikos, looks badass!

dysondiver · 19 October 2011, 08:55 AM

wow ,,, hats off to anyone who can turn a box of wee bits into a living watch again , looking forwards to seeing the end result.

The Laird · 19 October 2011, 03:43 PM

Hi,

I like, I like, I like...

Some watches from the 1970's are just so cool and shout style! You have impeccable taste.

Can't wait to see the finished watch on your wrist!

Wishing you all the very best.

Till next time...

The Laird

JimSnyder · 19 October 2011, 08:41 PM

Great find. I love those old vintage watches

20 August 2011, 01:28 AM	#1
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,415	OT: Not Rolex but a vintage find While this is not a Rolex I think its 1 of the nicest Automatic Chronographs ever produced in the 70’s.Sometimes the vintage bug takes you to other brands and this will be a keeper for me. My research tells me there is around 500 of these produced some had grey dials some black and they were branded Zenith or Movado but had the same ref#.If anybody knows more on this please pm me or post here.If this had been a Rolex with an El Primero movement in 1972 with only around 500 made......... I picked this up locally a couple of months ago from the son in law of the original owner. His father in law was a watchmaker and this was his personal watch that he was overhauling at the time of his passing. It has sat in a safe like you see it since the 80’s until I purchased it. All of the parts are there and it has a dial with the perfect patina for me.Never polished or serviced prior its as they say all original.It’s a Movado (Zenith)ref # 01-0150-415. I cannot get a crystal gasket anywhere and LVMH will not service it here in the USA so it is off with me to Greece where Zenith who has the crystal and the gasket will service it after many emails with Zenith in Geneva. I have searched everywhere for information on this model has anybody here ever owned 1 ? I did find this advert online. Here it is as I bought it. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

20 August 2011, 01:35 AM	#3
Dan Pierce 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Real Name: D'OH! Location: Kentucky Watch: Rolex-1 Tudor-3 Posts: 35,828	Very cool vintage chrono, Nikos!! Restoring this baby might take some work but well worth it. Best of luck and can't wait to see the results. dP __________________ TRF Member# 1668 Bass Player in TRF "AFTER DARK" Bar & NightClub Band Commander-in-Chief of The Nylon Nation The Crown & Shield Club Honorary Member of P-Club

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20 August 2011, 04:33 AM	#10
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20 August 2011, 04:38 AM	#11
Beaumont Miller II "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: USA Posts: 2,615	Thanks for posting. I can't wait to see it when it's done and the gasket in place. __________________

20 August 2011, 01:35 AM	#2
Frogman4me Banned Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Maryland Posts: 6,268	Very nice! Looks big, what size is that monster?

20 August 2011, 01:38 AM	#4
harry in montreal "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Montreal Watch: The Habs pick 1st! Posts: 3,589	now THAT is a watch ! what a beauty. good luck in the finding the missing lens. Harry

20 August 2011, 01:39 AM	#5
Jagatai "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Philip Location: NY Posts: 851	Wow! that's a sweeeeet watch. Never seen anything like it.

20 August 2011, 03:46 AM	#7
gansevoort "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Real Name: Patrick Location: new york ny Posts: 26	I have one but under the Zenith brand . Love that watch !

20 August 2011, 04:32 AM	#9
1675-David "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Stockholm Posts: 6,025	It's going to be gorgeous

20 August 2011, 04:44 AM	#12
Mosco "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Greg Location: Cincinnati Watch: I like to... Posts: 18,567	Damn - Movado don't make them like that anymore... __________________ Instagram - @CaliberSwiss *“A man who procrastinates in his choosing will inevitably have his choice made for him by circumstance.” - Hunter S. Thompson*

20 August 2011, 05:04 AM	#13
Jason71 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: USA Watch: Rolex/Tudor Divers Posts: 7,973	I'd say that is going to look SWEET when it's done. __________________ Best Regards, Jason Just Say "NO" to Polishing Card-Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch Curmudgeons LIfe is too short to wear inexpensive watches PLEXI IS SEXY

20 August 2011, 06:38 AM	#14
kyle L "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: USA Watch: Rolex Explorer I Posts: 10,278	Great watch, I've seen one other before and man it's huge!

20 August 2011, 06:40 AM	#15
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,415	A BIG thank you to the person that emailed me these. Now I see that there really was only 500 made __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

20 August 2011, 07:11 AM	#16
skyedog "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2010 Real Name: Joey Location: around the Bay Watch: ing TRF Posts: 1,942	Very nice finding Niko!

21 August 2011, 05:47 AM	#17
Racer X "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Dave Location: Unknown Posts: 999	Cool. Looking forward to seeing her assembled.

21 August 2011, 06:35 AM	#18
T5AUS "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: Brisbane Aus. Watch: ing the time go by Posts: 1,443	That's a cracker Nikos, nicely aged lume, a great score, having the original bracelet is a bonus too. I have a Zenith version in bits somewhere, must dig it out and finish putting it back together. Stay lucky __________________ www.journeyjottings.com

23 August 2011, 11:47 PM	#20
ob1 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Mark Location: canterbury Watch: new pussycat? Posts: 635	That will look the business when put back together Nikos, good luck mate!

24 August 2011, 01:42 AM	#22
Keeperoftime "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Jeremy Location: Louisiana Watch: Rolex Posts: 2,732	Wow! looks massive.

24 August 2011, 06:41 AM	#23
lsavoldi "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: brazil Posts: 196	Thanks for posting the ad. The only noticeable differences are: My watch has the "Zenith " engraved on the dial as well, and it has a Zenith braceklet. Any idea on how many were produced? thanks

19 October 2011, 07:44 AM	#24
greekbum "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Real Name: Nikos Location: Florida Watch: Rolex GMT 16750 Posts: 8,415	I am soooo excited. My watch is on its way back to me via Greece today. It wasnt ready yet when I left Greece last week but they finished it a few days ago and my buddy Tempoking agreed to bring it back for me. I cant wait to wear it. __________________ Follow Me On Instagram @nickgogas Original Owner ROLEX 16750 GMT Daily Wearer For Over 13,000 Days And Counting

19 October 2011, 08:47 AM	#27
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19 October 2011, 08:55 AM	#28
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	wow ,,, hats off to anyone who can turn a box of wee bits into a living watch again , looking forwards to seeing the end result.

19 October 2011, 03:43 PM	#29
The Laird "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: On a boat!!! Posts: 387	Hi, I like, I like, I like... Some watches from the 1970's are just so cool and shout style! You have impeccable taste. Can't wait to see the finished watch on your wrist! Wishing you all the very best. Till next time... The Laird __________________ Nylon Nation Member Tudor Supporter & Vintage Submariner/Explorer & Drilled Lug Hole Fan Vintage Rolex Group Member James Bond Watches Member

19 October 2011, 08:41 PM	#30
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