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MonBK · 9 April 2012, 04:12 AM

Certainly looks like 11 links.

Zirotti · 9 April 2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

That's because they don't sell watches that are missing anything as a rule, but on the rare occasion that they do, I guarantee you they would disclose what's missing.

Not necessariy. Prime example I will use is David's listing here for this Z-serial Sub.

It doesn't come with any papers or hang tags, only the box and instruction manual. He doesn't say it DOESN'T come with those items, he simply lists what it DOES come with, which is totally acceptable in my opinion.

If I bought that, should I expect it include anything other than what is listed?

dieseldragon · 9 April 2012, 04:14 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

Jason, be honest. If your were purchasing this watch, at a premium, would YOU have counted the links?

You keep saying you purchased this watch "at a premium". If I was purchasing something and paying over market value I would be darned sure to check and then double check what I was getting.

Seems to me you got what was advertised and now you have realised you paid too much for it. Buy second hand and it is buyer beware. I think they should throw you the extra links if they have them as a gesture of goodwill, but I don't think they should be obligated to.

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 04:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirotti

Also, take a look at this listing from Mark himself. He has a fantastic pepsi GMT. It looks like it has 11 links. If I bought this watch from Mark, and it came with the 11 links pictured, would I raise a fuss? Absolutely not.

Like I said earlier, it sucks Mark was treated poorly. But he received exactly what he was promised in the description and pictures of the watch.

It also doesn't have a picture of the boxes and papers but again it says "with boxes and papers".

Zirotti · 9 April 2012, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

It also doesn't have a picture of the boxes and papers but again it says "with boxes and papers".

Exactly. Just like SwissWatchExpo never said "bracelet includes all 13 links" and then deliver on that promise.

Mark, my point is that you got exactly what was shown in pictures and listed in the description. You can't fault the seller for what you assumed was included, can you?

Zirotti · 9 April 2012, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by dieseldragon

You keep saying you purchased this watch "at a premium". If I was purchasing something and paying over market value I would be darned sure to check and then double check what I was getting.

Seems to me you got what was advertised and now you have realised you paid too much for it. Buy second hand and it is buyer beware. I think they should throw you the extra links if they have them as a gesture of goodwill, but I don't think they should be obligated to.

Well put.

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 04:19 AM

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Originally Posted by dieseldragon

You keep saying you purchased this watch "at a premium". If I was purchasing something and paying over market value I would be darned sure to check and then double check what I was getting.

Seems to me you got what was advertised and now you have realised you paid too much for it. Buy second hand and it is buyer beware. I think they should throw you the extra links if they have them as a gesture of goodwill, but I don't think they should be obligated to.

I knew I was paying a premium BEFORE buying. Don't presume that I am complaining because I have buyers remorse!

Zirotti · 9 April 2012, 04:21 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

I knew I was paying a premium BEFORE buying. Don't presume that I am complaining because I have buyers remorse!

I personally don't think you do. But here are lots of people that do and love to try and negotiate AFTER they receive a watch. I would imagine that ANY of the volume sellers here would attest to that.

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2012, 04:27 AM

If Mark's watch has been so clearly defined there would have been less of a problem, if no problem at all.

His watch had 10 links (unlike 11 in the example pic) and the pictures were smaller and fuzzier.

I do like the use of the ruler confirming the wrist size.

They should do this with every listing so as to avoid confusion.

Zirotti · 9 April 2012, 04:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

If Mark's watch has been so clearly defined there would have been less of a problem, if no problem at all.

His watch had 10 links (unlike 11 in the example pic) and the pictures were smaller and fuzzier.

I do like the use of the ruler confirming the wrist size.

They should do this with every listing so as to avoid confusion.

These are the pics from the stock # that Mark purchased (according to the seller).

simonmcc · 9 April 2012, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirotti

Exactly. Just like SwissWatchExpo never said "bracelet includes all 13 links" and then deliver on that promise.

Mark, my point is that you got exactly what was shown in pictures and listed in the description. You can't fault the seller for what you assumed was included, can you?

It's a fair point and this debate could go on for ever. The worst part is the way in which it's been dealt with and sometimes as a business you have to bit your tongue and come to a solution which keeps the customer satisfied.

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2012, 04:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirotti

These are the pics from the stock # that Mark purchased (according to the seller).

Mark's watch for sale also has 11 links and no reference to "missing links" in his description.

Double standards, or am I missing something?

Educate me please since I don't want to be unintentionally ignorant on this.

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirotti

These are the pics from the stock # that Mark purchased (according to the seller).

I'm sorry but even the bottom picture is deceptive. The angle of the photo makes it look like it is longer than it actually is like it would fit an 8 inch wrist. You don't have to be a genius to see that.

MonBK · 9 April 2012, 04:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

Mark's watch for sale also has 11 links and no reference to "missing links" in his description.

Double standards, or am I missing something?

Educate me please since I don't want to be unintentionally ignorant on this.

Come on Paul, you know it's a totally different story when you sell something.

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2012, 04:40 AM

A basic understanding of perspective shows the pictured watch to be 7.4 - 7.5".

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Zirotti

Not necessariy. Prime example I will use is David's listing here for this Z-serial Sub.

It doesn't come with any papers or hang tags, only the box and instruction manual. He doesn't say it DOESN'T come with those items, he simply lists what it DOES come with, which is totally acceptable in my opinion.

If I bought that, should I expect it include anything other than what is listed?

If he states what I does NOT come with, it is NOT unreasonable to expect that everything else is included. I don't know how you could possibly assume otherwise.

Andelain · 9 April 2012, 04:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 2th DR

My listing specifically states "Comes complete". It also doesn't have a picture of the boxes and papers but again it says "with boxes and papers".

IMHO a 'complete' watch comes with all the links it was originally sold with.

If a link or any other part is missing then it's incomplete.

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2012, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Come on Paul, you know it's a totally different story when you sell something.

I think it's understandable to think this way.

Fair play is all that's needed.

It seems to me that the seller should be emailing Mark to tell him that a single link is on it's way and this thread can be bounced.

MonBK · 9 April 2012, 04:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Andelain

IMHO a 'complete' watch comes with all the links it was originally sold with.

If a link or any other part is missing then it's incomplete.

My old eyes must be failing me cause I can't see the words "comes complete" in his ad?

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2012, 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Come on Paul, you know it's a totally different story when you sell something.

BTW - Don't ever go missing for a week again you cantankerous old git.

MonBK · 9 April 2012, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

BTW - Don't ever go missing for a week again you cantankerous old git.

Hold on, I'm Googling "cantankerous".

Welshwatchman · 9 April 2012, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

Hold on, I'm Googling "cantankerous".

Sound familiar?

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MonBK · 9 April 2012, 04:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Welshwatchman

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Wooohooo that's me.

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by MonBK

My old eyes must be failing me cause I can't see the words "comes complete" in his ad?

You're right, my mistake.

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Andelain

IMHO a 'complete' watch comes with all the links it was originally sold with.

If a link or any other part is missing then it's incomplete.

Exactly.

Zirotti · 9 April 2012, 05:08 AM

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Good Luck

2th Dr · 9 April 2012, 05:40 AM

Looks like I'm not the only one they've labeled an extortionist.
http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...a-c387081.html

Jocke · 9 April 2012, 06:20 AM

IMHO I think they descibe the watch correct with a lot of pics. Some ad's says fits a 7½" wrist and som ad's says 8" wrist.
That is correct they not state there are missing links but I believe all dealers sell preowned watches as it was when
they buy it. I have never heard about dealers that buy links to get a complete bracelet if not all the links are in place.
I guess if you have bring it on the table before you buy the watch you have got two extra links. You have to buy the
seller and you have to check a preowned watch very careful before you close the deal. That is rule number 1.

Then the behaviour that the seller have when you complains it's another deal, that is not acceptable. I think a fair
solution have been you have paid for one link each.

I hope it will end in a good way.

Zi Pie' · 9 April 2012, 07:34 AM

If I was the owner, I would have just apologized and send the missing parts.
Cant lose customers for 200 bucks, cmon its not professional at all.

my 2 cents.

topcat28 · 9 April 2012, 07:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Jake49

Hi guys,
Let me introduce myself. I'm the owner of Swisswatchexpo and the Rolex trained watchmaker with 20 years of experience. Let me provide you with the facts:

1. Please visit the website and read the description for stock #4667P. It's clearly stated "Original Rolex stainless steel & 18k yellow gold oyster bracelet with flip lock clasp. Fits 7 1/2" wrist."
4. This watch was purchased on IWJG by me without the removable links on it, I had two links and added it to the bracelet.

...my bold...

New here, and no expert, but is it just me, or are these two points not somewhat at odds?

9 April 2012, 04:27 AM	#129
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	If Mark's watch has been so clearly defined there would have been less of a problem, if no problem at all. His watch had 10 links (unlike 11 in the example pic) and the pictures were smaller and fuzzier. I do like the use of the ruler confirming the wrist size. They should do this with every listing so as to avoid confusion. __________________ ..33

9 April 2012, 04:40 AM	#135
Welshwatchman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Paul Location: Wales, UK Posts: 14,578	A basic understanding of perspective shows the pictured watch to be 7.4 - 7.5". __________________ ..33

9 April 2012, 06:20 AM	#148
Jocke 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,516	IMHO I think they descibe the watch correct with a lot of pics. Some ad's says fits a 7½" wrist and som ad's says 8" wrist. That is correct they not state there are missing links but I believe all dealers sell preowned watches as it was when they buy it. I have never heard about dealers that buy links to get a complete bracelet if not all the links are in place. I guess if you have bring it on the table before you buy the watch you have got two extra links. You have to buy the seller and you have to check a preowned watch very careful before you close the deal. That is rule number 1. Then the behaviour that the seller have when you complains it's another deal, that is not acceptable. I think a fair solution have been you have paid for one link each. I hope it will end in a good way. __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

9 April 2012, 04:12 AM	#121
MonBK Banned Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Kingstown Posts: 58,281	Certainly looks like 11 links.

9 April 2012, 05:08 AM	#146
Zirotti "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Jason Location: Tejas Watch: Invicta Posts: 1,066	... Good Luck

9 April 2012, 05:40 AM	#147
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	Looks like I'm not the only one they've labeled an extortionist. http://www.complaintsboard.com/compl...a-c387081.html

9 April 2012, 07:34 AM	#149
Zi Pie' "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2012 Real Name: Ask me ! Location: Boston Watch: The next one ! Posts: 76	If I was the owner, I would have just apologized and send the missing parts. Cant lose customers for 200 bucks, cmon its not professional at all. my 2 cents.

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