The Tudor Black-Bay ancestor

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by SAAS

Received today, totally thrilled all looks good 887xxx serial!

wow that was fast. Sorry i cost you a few hundred bux on that auction lol


Stunning watch. i would of went higher but i have never bought a watch outside of the States so i backed off. Huge congrats

[SAAS]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

wow that was fast. Sorry i cost you a few hundred bux on that auction lol





Stunning watch. i would of went higher but i have never bought a watch outside of the States so i backed off. Huge congrats

Thank you! It was a nail biter waiting for customs to clear. No worries, I actually paid my max to the dollar it was close!

[CrownMe]

Originally Posted by SAAS

Thank you! It was a nail biter waiting for customs to clear. No worries, I actually paid my max to the dollar it was close!

was he the original owner? i tried to get info from him but he was short with answers and not exactly friendly. that was another reason i backed off.


its a great looking watch. glad it went to a fellow member

[jatco]

Originally Posted by CrownMe

was he the original owner? i tried to get info from him but he was short with answers and not exactly friendly. that was another reason i backed off.


its a great looking watch. glad it went to a fellow member

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[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by SAAS

Received today, totally thrilled all looks good 887xxx serial!

Havent checked this thread in a while.... CONGRATS!!
What a beauty. I tend to watch snowflakes on ebay and I must have missed this one.

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by SAAS

Received today, totally thrilled all looks good 887xxx serial!

I was watching that one - glad to see it went to someone here - missed this thread after you got it

[SAAS]

Originally Posted by TAG_TOSSER

Havent checked this thread in a while.... CONGRATS!!
What a beauty. I tend to watch snowflakes on ebay and I must have missed this one.

Originally Posted by linesiders

I was watching that one - glad to see it went to someone here - missed this thread after you got it

Thanks guys

I recently got the case back off. The mystery continues no service markings of any kind.

[TAG_TOSSER]

Originally Posted by SAAS

Thanks guys

I recently got the case back off. The mystery continues no service markings of any kind.

Which movement does it have?

[sandow13]

Originally Posted by linesiders

I was watching that one - glad to see it went to someone here - missed this thread after you got it

hello new to the forum sorry for my English I am french What do you think of my tudor sub 7016/0 IV eta 2483 with dial small rose and needle snowflake thank you

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[sandow13]

Originally Posted by sandow13

hello new to the forum sorry for my English I am french What do you think of my tudor sub 7016/0 IV eta 2483 with dial small rose and needle snowflake thank you

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Thank you I love it too if anyone has more information on this vesion tudor black-bay ancestor
serial number 76XXXX

[jatco]

Originally Posted by sandow13

hello new to the forum sorry for my English I am french What do you think of my tudor sub 7016/0 IV eta 2483 with dial small rose and needle snowflake thank you

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Tres Bien.. I like it.. Congrats

[michel33]

Wow, gorgeous watch, congrats.

[bogo]

beautiful.

[xcghsxhg]

That looks very nice, congrats

[sandow13]

hello new to the forum sorry for my English I am french What do you think of my tudor sub 7016/0 IV eta 2483 with dial small rose and needle snowflake thank you

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[TAG_TOSSER]

^^
Never seen that combo.

[sandow13]

Thank you I love it too if anyone has more information on this vesion tudor black-bay ancestor
serial number 76XXXX

[honjv]

i love hearing about the history of a watch. I was happy to buy my snowflake from the original owner so i was able to get a lot of great info about it.

[honjgv]

now if we could only motivate Rolex Canada to go through their records and give us exact order numbers/dates and the serial numbers..At the time he was unwilling to go to the trouble but admitted the information was still on hand..

[dongying]

Congrats, incredible pick up I love it! Thanks for the research it's nice to know these can't be easily created by swapping dials. Coincidentally I won an auction for a blue 94010 last night with the lollipop hour hand, one more variation

[hillstreetwatchco]

Great watch. Enjoy!

[vchmhj]

Congrats, incredible pick up I love it! Thanks for the research it's nice to know these can't be easily created by swapping dials. Coincidentally I won an auction for a blue 94010 last night with the lollipop hour hand, one more variation.

[fastfras]

Hi gentlemen, lurker not a poster..

Recently traded for a 7021/0 originally purchased by my cousin while holidaying in Switzerland in 1972. It's pretty beat up, the bezel insert is super faded and the crown actually is beveled likely from his vocation. It's not really my kind of watch, I know it has value but for me my preference lie in "nicer" examples. I'm getting it serviced and I was going to have new seals and a crystal. Now I'm questioning this action, what do the experts think?/Users/fraserstewartpers/Desktop/DSC_0425.jpg/Users/fraserstewartpers/Desktop/DSC_0432.jpg

[hillstreetwatchco]

Very cool! Enjoy!

[jhvgk]

Congrats, incredible pick up I love it! Thanks for the research it's nice to know these can't be easily created by swapping dials. Coincidentally I won an auction for a blue 94010 last night with the lollipop hour hand, one more variation.

[fastfras]

To follow up my posting of one week ago..

Tudor Submariner Ref 7021/0, Ser #7933xx, case stamping 1V 68, pictured with completely original watch, Crown (bezelled from use), dial (never replaced, non rot example), hands, insert and crystal. The bracelet is an after market product. Originally purchased from the AD in the International hotel Geneve, 1972.

[jatco]

Originally Posted by fastfras

To follow up my posting of one week ago..

Tudor Submariner Ref 7021/0, Ser #7933xx, case stamping 1V 68, pictured with completely original watch, Crown (bezelled from use), dial (never replaced, non rot example), hands, insert and crystal. The bracelet is an after market product. Originally purchased from the AD in the International hotel Geneve, 1972.

WOW........!!!

[sutats]

This brand is so enigmatic, relatively speaking they did not produce many watches. It feels like a chasm in history that is still being uncovered. Thanks for sharing.

[visualplane]

I saw a tudor today with a brown bezel and face, and the rose logo. Any idea on the model?

[DirtyHarrie]

Hello All,

This is my first post on Rolex Forums but I've been posting on other watch forums for a while under the same username. I read this thread a year or so ago and now I have come back because of a recent acquisition.



This watch was a personal grail of mine.

I got this guy from a retired Canadian Navy diver. At first I was worried about the dial and hand combination on this 9401/0 but this thread is just full of great news. The serial is a 86XXXX which dates it at 1977, which places it in the 1977-1978 date range mentioned in the article!

At first I thought maybe an old dial was swapped in during a service but now I think because the older dials wont fit on the 2776 that the dial is indeed original and the hands were swapped in a previous service. Or maybe they just aged differently. Either way, I love this watch.

Currently it isn't running but it is off to the watchmaker for some TLC. I can't wait until it is back on my wrist

Originally Posted by michel33

Hello fellow WiS, I'm now the proud owner of the Black-Bay ancestor, a 94010 Submariner originally issued with this stunning dial/hands combo for only one year, every known examples throughout the world (a very few watches) being in the 8.8/beginning of the 8.9XXX serial range number.


This very small 94010 batch is now well documented in the "Tudor Anthology Book" edited by Mondani as you can see hereafter.

I remember that when the first examples emerged, from different world areas, many of us were skeptical about this dial/hands combo on a 94010 Submariner.

Many thought that this could only be a swap between dials/hands done by watchmakers during the watch services.

However, too many facts were conclusive:

- The serial range of these specific examples, as said above.

- But above all, the fact that this specific dial with rectangular stick markers at 3, 6 and 9 O'clock was only fitted on the previous Tudor Submariner model, the 7016 Submariner.
If the 94010 Submariner also featured from 1980 to 1983 a round markers dial, it was with triangular 3, 6 and 9 markers only (see picture).

-And the ultimate proof is that these two dials are not interchangeable at all, as some people suggested, for the simple reason that the two models feature different ETA movements (2776 ETA for the 94010 Submariner and the 2483 ETA for the 7016 Submariner), which require that the feet of the dial are not positioned at the same place for each model!!!

Thus it is impossible to fit a 7016 (3, 6 and 9 "stick markers") dial instead of a Snowflake 94010 dial as previously envisaged by some skeptical fellows.
No need to say that the specific 7016 Submariner round markers (that was furthermore discontinued) cannot have been modified by local watchmakers throughout the world for watches that are all in the same serial number range….. (And as the regular triangular 3,6 9 stick markers round dial was easily available…).

- Another piece of evidence came from a Canadian Navy member who found four Tudor issued Tudor Submariners (though not engraved) in an old box in his naval base, one of them being a round markers dial/Snowflake hands 94010 Submariner once again in the same serial number range.

My new baby:


The article on this very limited issued Tudor 94040 Sub in the "Tudor Anthology Book":