Vintage Tudor Submariner with SWISS on the dial

[Phlub]

Hi all, firstly apologies if this has come up before but I really have done an extensive search of Google and this forum.

I have seen a 1967 Tudor submariner in a dealer today. It looks nice and to my amateur eye looks genuine but there is one thing concerning me and I hope someone can shed some light on this. Being from 1967 I would imagine this is a 7928 or possibly a 7016?
The watch looks very similar to this one here. http://www.hqmilton.com/watches/1968...mariner-7016-0

Except Rather than having "T SWISS T" at the bottom of the dial it just says "SWISS"

As I say I have looked everywhere and I can't find a single picture of one from this era and dial that just says "SWISS"

I don't doubt for one minute the integrity of the dealer, he is well established and known. It's more that I'm very pedantic about such things and want to be sure of what I could potentially buy.

Thanks for your help in advance.

[omitohud]

Pictures would go a long way, but early Swiss only dials r legit n as a matter of fact much more rare. Here is my snowflake with Swiss only originally also from HQmilton.




I blame it on the autoconnect.

[T5AUS]

all have T Swiss T. The 7928 with pointy crown guards on the right, C 1961, just has swiss. I was always under the impression that the dials with just Swiss on them were all from the 60's (unless they were replaced service dials) but not sure on the cut off date.
Yes, it would help to get a more accurate opinion if you could post a photo of the actual watch with the first few digits of it's serial number.

What year is yours Sam

[linesiders]

Would need to see photos. 7928 up until 63 is OK for SWISS only, and in the 80s and later. With a small spattering of dials in the interim.

Could be a service dial too - though not very likely

[Phlub]

Thanks for everyone's help. I'm not sure I'm any the wiser. I will try and get some photos off the dealer and post them.

[John in MA]

If it's a 1967 it's a 7928. The first 7016's were released in I.68 with a 7528 caseback, rose dial and unique case shape. These had T SWISS T dials. The 1967 7928's had the same dial and were also marked T SWISS T.

There is debate on when the snowflake started to show up but I have seen examples from III.68 and IV.68 in 7016's. One blue and one black (I owned). Both had SWISS marked dials with no T bookends. These are the ONLY post 7928's that have no T bookends that I am aware of except for later luminova service dials. Even the first batch of luminova service dials were marked T SWISS T.

[RLX-lvr]

The very earliest snowflakes had Swiss only on the dial. Typically late sixties.

Omitohud's watch posted in the 2nd response is a beauty!

Also the late replacement service dials were Swiss only. Easy to tell by the style of font used, and luminous paint used.

[omitohud]

Originally Posted by T5AUS

all have T Swiss T. The 7928 with pointy crown guards on the right, C 1961, just has swiss. I was always under the impression that the dials with just Swiss on them were all from the 60's (unless they were replaced service dials) but not sure on the cut off date.
Yes, it would help to get a more accurate opinion if you could post a photo of the actual watch with the first few digits of it's serial number.

What year is yours Sam

Sorry for the late response. I don't have the watch with me at the present, but I remember a very early example probably 68 or 69.

[omitohud]

Originally Posted by RLX-lvr

The very earliest snowflakes had Swiss only on the dial. Typically late sixties.

Omitohud's watch posted in the 2nd response is a beauty!

Also the late replacement service dials were Swiss only. Easy to tell by the style of font used, and luminous paint used.

Thanks Jeff. Unfortunately the dial is not perfect. It has chips on the edge n drag mark. Still a rare breed. 😂