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wiski2k · 26 November 2016, 11:49 PM

I have a trade offer pending. Unfortunately the gentleman has no box or paper work. These are the pictures I have to date, we are going to speak today to iron out details.
What do you think ?

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WAK4 · 26 November 2016, 11:58 PM

Bezel numbers seem dark...though that could be lighting.

Going to get a lot of "buy the seller"...how well do you know him? Suggest a meet at an AD who can open it up before buying

wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 12:03 AM

We are in different countries. I checked his feedback on wus and he is an eight year guy, has positive feedback, but nothing this big. Gentleman wants to talk on phone so that is assuring. Really want to ask is it worth it but that's subjective.

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GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 12:20 AM

I can see 3 items that concern me.
Based on that and very limited and poor photos, I would act with extreme caution.
Based on what I see, my belief is fake.

UPDATED HERE:
http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....8&postcount=16

A

Nairn1980 · 27 November 2016, 12:22 AM

I'd pass.

wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I can see 3 items that concern me.

Based on that and very limited and poor photos, I would act with extreme caution.

Based on what I see, my belief is fake.

A

What three items?

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GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiski2k

What three items?

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That I don't post - sorry

Kippers · 27 November 2016, 12:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

That I don't post - sorry

Very helpful 😞

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Lemonvr6 · 27 November 2016, 12:30 AM

It's not real don't buy it. There are several obvious red flags

GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kippers

Very helpful 😞

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I try to help buyers not get duped by pointing out my opinion if genuine or fake. I do not help the scammers by pointing out the details.
However if a mod or a acknowledged poster like "crowncollections" PM'd me, I would be happy to point out my concerns privately
Adam

MonBK · 27 November 2016, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I can see 3 items that concern me.
Based on that and very limited and poor photos, I would act with extreme caution.
Based on what I see, my belief is fake.

A

What do you mean by poor photos, I think they're excellent?

Kippers · 27 November 2016, 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GLADIATOR

I try to help buyers not get duped by pointing out my opinion if genuine or fake. I do not help the scammers by pointing out the details.
However if a mod or a acknowledged poster like "crowncollections" PM'd me, I would be happy to point out my concerns privately
Adam

Fair point

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GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MonBK

What do you mean by poor photos, I think they're excellent?

Yes, I take that bit back. I should have said additional photos.
I would want better photos of the dial and rehaut, is what I meant
adam

wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 12:45 AM

The dial was the first thing that drew my attention, but I know how difficult it is to capture photos w/o a high res camera and skill set. The watch also wasn't obviously a safe queen by the looks of the sweat in the case back. I personally wipe mine down every time b4 I even put them on as a ritual.

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wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 12:50 AM

At further inspection the 12 o'clock end link don't seem to fit perfectly. I leaning on not doing the deal unless the gentleman would let me take it to my dealer and I personally wouldn't send my six thousand dollar watch to a stranger w/o a security or escrow

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GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 12:52 AM

Well, I am going to do a "U" turn on my original comment.
My first concern was the limited photo of the rehaut - I thought I saw an issue, looking more closely, it is fine.
The other two points were less important.
So to me based on what I see, its probably OK.
To confirm, better/more photos of rehaut and of course movement.

Adam

wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 12:57 AM

This is killing me, I'm liquidating my collection to go all Rolex. Such a huge step for a blue collar guy that has been saving and trading for 20 years. Not crying

just expressing my fears

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GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiski2k

This is killing me, I'm liquidating my collection to go all Rolex. Such a huge step for a blue collar guy that has been saving and trading for 20 years. Not crying

just expressing my fears

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Understand. My apologies for a "U" turn.
I agree end link does not look perfect, neither 1 screw on bracelet. But my main concern was dial and rehaut, and I now eliminated that.

You must ask seller for better photos of rehaut, especially at 6, 9 and 12 O clock

Sorry
adam

wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 01:04 AM

No apologies need, I appreciate opinions and feedback. I emailed the seller for more photos.

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WAK4 · 27 November 2016, 01:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wiski2k

This is killing me, I'm liquidating my collection to go all Rolex. Such a huge step for a blue collar guy that has been saving and trading for 20 years. Not crying

just expressing my fears

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Plenty of other options here in the US. If you aren't comfortable, pass on this one.

Ragna · 27 November 2016, 01:24 AM

When in doubt go AD. Save a lil more and buy brand new. Or reputable dealers.

- http://www.watchdealers.co.uk
- http://davidsw.com
- http://www.takuyawatches.com

Peace

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mistermann · 27 November 2016, 01:35 AM

Something looks horribly off with that insert and even in bad lighting I've never seen a real one look like that.

Blong · 27 November 2016, 01:49 AM

I would not make the trade. Not worth the risk at all.

wiski2k · 27 November 2016, 08:25 AM

Quick update, gentleman said he gonna call this afternoon.... never did. Requested more pics .... all of a sudden no reply.

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offrdmania · 27 November 2016, 08:53 AM

It may very well be that what you see in the photos may not be what you actually receive

adiorandomhero93 · 27 November 2016, 08:58 AM

Looks like the caseback is a little loose from the last picture

GLADIATOR · 27 November 2016, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by adiorandomhero93

Looks like the caseback is a little loose from the last picture

Agreed. But is it fake?

GradyPhilpott · 27 November 2016, 09:30 AM

The bezel and the dial don't look right to me.

usrudiver932 · 27 November 2016, 09:50 AM

I see a few iffy's. Wider 9 marker did it for me after a few others.

freefly · 27 November 2016, 11:13 AM

That watch is a 100% (obvious) fake.

26 November 2016, 11:49 PM	#1
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	Is it real ? I have a trade offer pending. Unfortunately the gentleman has no box or paper work. These are the pictures I have to date, we are going to speak today to iron out details. What do you think ? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 12:20 AM	#4
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	I can see 3 items that concern me. Based on that and very limited and poor photos, I would act with extreme caution. Based on what I see, my belief is fake. UPDATED HERE: http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....8&postcount=16 A __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

27 November 2016, 12:52 AM	#16
GLADIATOR "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Real Name: Adam Location: Costa Blanca, Watch: YMII,GMTII,DAYTONA Posts: 5,288	Well, I am going to do a "U" turn on my original comment. My first concern was the limited photo of the rehaut - I thought I saw an issue, looking more closely, it is fine. The other two points were less important. So to me based on what I see, its probably OK. To confirm, better/more photos of rehaut and of course movement. Adam __________________ The truth is incontrovertible. Malice may attack it, ignorance may deride it, but in the end, there it is. Winston Churchill "We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done."

27 November 2016, 08:53 AM	#25
offrdmania 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 X2 Pledge Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Matt Location: Wine Country, Ca Posts: 5,849	It may very well be that what you see in the photos may not be what you actually receive __________________ TRF Member 11738

27 November 2016, 09:30 AM	#28
GradyPhilpott 2024 ROLEX DATEJUST41 Pledge Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: New Mexico Watch: 116710 BLNR Posts: 34,347	The bezel and the dial don't look right to me. __________________ JJ Inaugural TRF $50 Watch Challenge Winner

26 November 2016, 11:58 PM	#2
WAK4 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Bill Location: NJ Watch: Always changing Posts: 4,170	Bezel numbers seem dark...though that could be lighting. Going to get a lot of "buy the seller"...how well do you know him? Suggest a meet at an AD who can open it up before buying

27 November 2016, 12:03 AM	#3
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	We are in different countries. I checked his feedback on wus and he is an eight year guy, has positive feedback, but nothing this big. Gentleman wants to talk on phone so that is assuring. Really want to ask is it worth it but that's subjective. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 12:22 AM	#5
Nairn1980 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: UK Watch: GMT Posts: 8,254	I'd pass.

27 November 2016, 12:30 AM	#9
Lemonvr6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2016 Location: Oakland, CA Posts: 463	It's not real don't buy it. There are several obvious red flags

27 November 2016, 12:45 AM	#14
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	The dial was the first thing that drew my attention, but I know how difficult it is to capture photos w/o a high res camera and skill set. The watch also wasn't obviously a safe queen by the looks of the sweat in the case back. I personally wipe mine down every time b4 I even put them on as a ritual. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 12:50 AM	#15
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	At further inspection the 12 o'clock end link don't seem to fit perfectly. I leaning on not doing the deal unless the gentleman would let me take it to my dealer and I personally wouldn't send my six thousand dollar watch to a stranger w/o a security or escrow Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 12:57 AM	#17
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	This is killing me, I'm liquidating my collection to go all Rolex. Such a huge step for a blue collar guy that has been saving and trading for 20 years. Not crying just expressing my fears Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 01:04 AM	#19
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	No apologies need, I appreciate opinions and feedback. I emailed the seller for more photos. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 01:24 AM	#21
Ragna Banned Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: The Matrix Posts: 1,070	When in doubt go AD. Save a lil more and buy brand new. Or reputable dealers. - http://www.watchdealers.co.uk - http://davidsw.com - http://www.takuyawatches.com Peace Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 01:35 AM	#22
mistermann "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2015 Real Name: Drew Location: Iowa Watch: 116600 Posts: 496	Something looks horribly off with that insert and even in bad lighting I've never seen a real one look like that.

27 November 2016, 01:49 AM	#23
Blong "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2012 Real Name: Brian Location: Manhattan Watch: 116520 Black Posts: 287	I would not make the trade. Not worth the risk at all.

27 November 2016, 08:25 AM	#24
wiski2k "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2015 Real Name: Rob Location: Long Island, NY Watch: Many Posts: 83	Quick update, gentleman said he gonna call this afternoon.... never did. Requested more pics .... all of a sudden no reply. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 November 2016, 08:58 AM	#26
adiorandomhero93 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2012 Location: Harrisburg pa Posts: 387	Looks like the caseback is a little loose from the last picture

27 November 2016, 09:50 AM	#29
usrudiver932 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2016 Real Name: Larry B Location: Ontario, Canada Watch: 116610LN Posts: 207	I see a few iffy's. Wider 9 marker did it for me after a few others.

27 November 2016, 11:13 AM	#30
freefly "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: Eric Location: AZ Watch: 4&5-digit Sub/GMTs Posts: 1,974	That watch is a 100% (obvious) fake.

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