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Old 31 August 2010, 06:00 PM   #1
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Is my Panerai Real or Fake?

I used to work for a very wealthy family about 2 years ago and after the bosses son found out i was into watches we took off his Panerai and gave it to me. Ive had it ever since and just want to make sure it is in fact a genuine Panerai. Your honest opinions would be much appreciated.

He never gave me the box and paper work and i was too embarrassed to call and ask for it as i might sound ungrateful.

Please see the images attached. you will notice the crown protector isnt there. Its because i took it off to get the watch polished.
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Old 31 August 2010, 06:03 PM   #2
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Old 31 August 2010, 06:34 PM   #3
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I've never seen this type before.... luminor with no crown guard ? the dial and the indices seems totally off....
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Old 31 August 2010, 06:41 PM   #4
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like i said, it does have a crown guard but i have taken it off because in getting it polished soon.
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Old 31 August 2010, 06:43 PM   #5
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the strange thing is there is no case number or serial number on the case back which would at least give the watch some identity.
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Old 31 August 2010, 06:58 PM   #6
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This is the watch with the crown guard on.
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Old 31 August 2010, 06:59 PM   #7
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like i said, it does have a crown guard but i have taken it off because in getting it polished soon.
my bad... i didn't read the last sentence you wrote.... but the proportion of the seconds hand and the dial is off ... the lack of serial number in the back, and the movement is very different that what I've seen so far in Panerai....so probably expert ristis can chime in here...
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Old 31 August 2010, 07:11 PM   #8
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I have never seen the second hand placed like that on a PAM, and please correct me if I'm wrong here (if this was perhaps common on older models), but why wouldn't there be a cyclops magnifier over the date window?

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Old 31 August 2010, 07:17 PM   #9
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intersting...very vintage. im willing to be that its authentic. it just feels right. the movement also looks like a starndar eta
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Old 31 August 2010, 08:43 PM   #10
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Sorry but I put my vote in that it is fake. That dial represents nothing from Pre-V to any other models and without a serial number or case numberthat is the closer for me.
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Old 31 August 2010, 08:47 PM   #11
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If it was vintage it would have been Tritium on the dial and hands instead of Luminova. Too many questionable features that are unlike a typical Panerai watch.

Best way is to bring the watch to a Panerai service center and all doubts will be cleared.
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Old 31 August 2010, 08:56 PM   #12
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Good idea, ill do that this week.
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Old 31 August 2010, 08:57 PM   #13
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Old 31 August 2010, 08:59 PM   #14
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I'm guessing fake. The seconds hand is extremely close to the center of the watch...
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Old 31 August 2010, 09:06 PM   #15
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I'm guessing fake. The seconds hand is extremely close to the center of the watch...
Yes that was part of what did it for me and the date looks so small and not typical of Panerai either. It seems as those 2 were done as an after thought on a dial that was already made.
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Old 31 August 2010, 09:29 PM   #16
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I have never seen a PAM like that. It certainly isn't part of the modern line up and I haven't seen anything similar to it in Volcker's book. I would say that it is a fake but if you want peace of mind take it to Richemont Service on Castlereagh st.
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Old 31 August 2010, 09:50 PM   #17
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Old 31 August 2010, 11:41 PM   #18
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but in my opinion it is a fake.
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Old 1 September 2010, 01:08 AM   #19
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Pattaya beach FAKE.....
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Old 1 September 2010, 01:09 AM   #20
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another vote in the fake column..
very bad one...
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Old 1 September 2010, 01:33 AM   #21
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That's a pretty poor fake....
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Old 1 September 2010, 02:37 AM   #22
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Old 1 September 2010, 03:00 AM   #23
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It is definately a fake and an extremely poor fake at that! I find most people who post the "fake or real" question already know its fake but want to know how obvious it is!
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Old 1 September 2010, 03:05 AM   #24
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I'm no expert but it look fishy to me.
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Old 1 September 2010, 03:10 AM   #25
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Just a few reasons its fake!

no cyclops over date
no crown guard on a luminor
unfinished movement
seconds hand position is way off
non luminous hour markers
very poor strap
no serial number on caseback
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Old 1 September 2010, 03:19 AM   #26
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My first thoughts screamed "nastiest piece of crap ever".

Then I thought "what if this is an older version" and is genuine?

Then I thought "if this piece of crap was actually turned out Pre V then I'm bashing it regardless".

Then I had a cup of tea and a nice biscuit.

Then I wrote this.

Thank you.
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Old 1 September 2010, 03:28 AM   #27
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It looks like a fake to me sorry. Just too many things look wrong (and I'm not even a PAM owner yet) The back of the case also looks like the metal has become pitted or something, like it's oxidized. I had that happen to a cheap Lorus diver I had in college. But look on the bright side, at least you didn't pay for it
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Old 1 September 2010, 07:15 AM   #28
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What's the expression? Always look a gift horse in the mouth? No such thing as a free lunch? Nothing in life is free?

As far as I know all PAMs use ETA (6497 or 7750 based), Coltebert (made for Rolex) or inhouse movements. NOT what appears to be a modified chinese ST6D automatic movement (a decent movement by the way). FYI, your applique/sticker on the rotor is skewed.

Bottom line... save and get the real deal. You can always use that watch as a practice movement if you ever decide to get into watchmaking/repair.
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Old 1 September 2010, 07:21 AM   #29
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dude, that is indeed a fake; one of the worst i have ever seen.
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Old 1 September 2010, 10:11 AM   #30
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fake fake fake
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