What year did the production switch from 14060 to 14060M?

[hunz]

Also does anyone know the serial number lists for these?

thank in advance

[Aspirin]

Not very sure, just for your reference. 14060 series originally launched 1953, 14060M launched 2001, COSC maybe launched at 2008

[hunz]

thanks. this is what i was able to find:

"Rolex Submariner Ref. 14060 no date is the successor of the famous Submariner 5513. The case production of Ref. 14060 started in 1988. But this Submariner was made available to buyers from 1990 with the creation of movement caliber 3130. The model reference number was updated to 14060 M in 1998. As of 2008, 14060 M is the officially certified superlative chronometer."

Can anyone confirm/verify if this is correct?

[Tools]

It's sort of correct..

The 14060 was introduced in ~1988/89 and was powered by the 3000 movement.. Nobody knows the exact serial number of the first one..

In ~1998 the 3000 movement was changed to include a new full balance bridge, larger balance, and a few other upgrades... It was designated 3130..

All watches at the time that were Modified (M) with the new 3130 movement were redesignated with an M to the reference number..... Again, nobody actually knows what serial numbers were the first ones..

The changes included the Sub, Air-king, Explorer etc.. and so you will find all of those models with an M such as 14060M.. As they were changed later, the M was dropped. The 14060 is still essentially the same except for some cosmetics, and so the case is still stamped 14060M.

[HKtoter]

The 14060 came out around 1990 and included the 3000 movement. This was updated to the 14060M around 2000-2001with the 3130 movement. Around 2006 it became COSC hence the "4 line". The 4 line also have the engraved rehaut with the serial number at the 6 o'clock position.


Fine choise... That's my next Rolex.

[HKtoter]

I stand corrected Larry.

[hunz]

Thanks Larry

One other thing, I have noticed that a lot of 14060M case backs are stamped "2160" instead of 14060 or 14060M -- any ideas why?

[Tools]

Originally Posted by hunz

Thanks Larry

One other thing, I have noticed that a lot of 14060M case backs are stamped "2160" instead of 14060 or 14060M -- any ideas why?

2160 stamped in the case denotes the new standardized part number system..

The 2160 casebacks will fit all 14060, 16610, and 16613 models..

We have a DIY in the Reference Library on removing a caseback and have included a chart with the new caseback interchange codes...

[hunz]

Thanks Larry

Where does one buy the tools for removing the Rolex case backs? -- ie. Bergon 6111, case wrench etc..

[Deliverator]

Originally Posted by Tools

In ~1998 the 3000 movement was changed to include a new full balance bridge, larger balance, and a few other upgrades... It was designated 3130..

All watches at the time that were Modified (M) with the new 3130 movement were redesignated with an M to the reference number..... Again, nobody actually knows what serial numbers were the first ones..

The changes included the Sub, Air-king, Explorer etc.. and so you will find all of those models with an M such as 14060M.. As they were changed later, the M was dropped. The 14060 is still essentially the same except for some cosmetics, and so the case is still stamped 14060M.

I believe that the 14060's transition was during the P series. I have a P series 14060M, and I remember when I bought the watch in July 2001 that the "M" had only just been released. Also, there is a non-M 14060 that is also P series recently posted in the For Sale forum, so I think the 14060M was probably released in 2001.

[hunz]

apart from the balance bridge addition in the 14060M, is there any real advantage/benefit in getting it over the 14060?

which do people prefer?

[Deliverator]

Originally Posted by hunz

apart from the balance bridge addition in the 14060M, is there any real advantage/benefit in getting it over the 14060?

which do people prefer?

I don't know if there is a consensus preference between the two. Objectively speaking, the 14060M has a more advanced movement. The 14060 had not shared certain improvements that had previously been made to the 16610's movement (primarily balance bridge and Breguet overcoil), whereas the 14060M's movement is basically the 16610's movement minus the date complication. If this is something that you care about, then the 14060M would be better for you. However, in the real world a 14060M probably won't noticeably keep the time any better than a 14060, and you might for instance like the looks of the aged tritium markers on an older 14060, in which case the 14060 might be better for you.

[hunz]

ok, thanks.

one more question, how does one tell if their 14060 has tritium markers or not?

do the ones with white gold surrounds = luminova and without = tritium?

[Deliverator]

Originally Posted by hunz

ok, thanks.

one more question, how does one tell if their 14060 has tritium markers or not?

do the ones with white gold surrounds = luminova and without = tritium?

For tritium, at the bottom of the dial it will read "Swiss--T<25", and for superluminova, it will just read "Swiss Made" or "Swiss".

[hunz]

awesome, thank you Sir!

[cornerstore]

Originally Posted by Tools

It's sort of correct..

The 14060 was introduced in ~1988/89 and was powered by the 3000 movement.. Nobody knows the exact serial number of the first one..

In ~1998 the 3000 movement was changed to include a new full balance bridge, larger balance, and a few other upgrades... It was designated 3130..

All watches at the time that were Modified (M) with the new 3130 movement were redesignated with an M to the reference number..... Again, nobody actually knows what serial numbers were the first ones..

The changes included the Sub, Air-king, Explorer etc.. and so you will find all of those models with an M such as 14060M.. As they were changed later, the M was dropped. The 14060 is still essentially the same except for some cosmetics, and so the case is still stamped 14060M.

I have a non M 14060 Luminova dialed A 9400xx serial circa 98- 2000. I have papers that show it was purchased in 2001 So I'm thinking after these numbers as the A serial apparently out in Nov.08 .Clasp X 12 DEC.99