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shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 07:54 PM

all points towards fake,, but I still feel it could be original ?
u guys tell

Written in front:
rolex
oyster perpetual
superlative chronometer
officially certified
cosmograph

Swiss made

Written on back:
WINNER 24
ROLEX
AD DAYTONA 1992

Written on stap on the side:
16520

Strap corner:
455
R

STRAP BACK:
Geneve
Swiss Made
18K
750

dopeymuppet · 31 March 2008, 08:02 PM

Written on back:
WINNER 24
ROLEX
AD DAYTONA 1992

I have seen several fakes with this written on the back......Rolex generally don't engrave on the casebacks (with the exception of the Sea Dweller) so unless someone has randomly put that on post purchase (unlikely), I would say it was a fake.

Wait and see what the others have to say about it first though!

Hope that helps!

Chris

Jedi · 31 March 2008, 08:08 PM

I've seen fakes with Winner 24 on the back before on more than one occassion.

padi56 · 31 March 2008, 08:10 PM

Quite simple its a fake,and most probably made in that well known horological town of wongtyme China.

shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 08:20 PM

dunno guys
everybody says its fake but i think its original.
Is it possible that there is a rolex with that printed on the back and nothing written between the six o clock lugs ?

Just asking.. seems stupid though. I paid $6000 for this one.

2careless · 31 March 2008, 08:20 PM

No. According to the Antiquorum 17/Apr/2008 Rolex sports watches auction catalog, for lot 264, it shows a black dial Daytona with a case back engraved "Winner Rolex 24" and some other very small print that I can't read... The explanation stated: "Since 1991, Rolex became the title sponsor at the famous race becoming known as the Rolex 24 at Daytona. To mark this event, every winning driver of each class gets a Rolex stainless steel Daytona as a reward that bears a dedication caseback. This particular watch was won at the 1996 race in the GT category in a Porsche 996".

P.S. I'll need to dig into the forum archives to find a download link for the catalog...

shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 08:23 PM

you mean it is a fake or it is real ?

also, is there a link where i could read about this ?

Jedi · 31 March 2008, 08:25 PM

Post some pics of the watch my good shaklebolt... all aspects of it, dial, back, bracelet, bracelet removed...

2careless · 31 March 2008, 08:27 PM

It could be real. I don't think Antiquorum will auction fakes! That lot was quoted as $30k USD... still searching... hold on.

Here you are:
http://www.pagegangster.com/shop/pub...ns/view/19913/

Scroll to page 466/ lot 264. Good luck and have fun...
Will I get any commission if you make a lot of money out of it?

Ops ops. the page not found... they pulled it!
meh, I'll try upload just those 2 pages then. the catalog is like 100MByte in total...

dopeymuppet · 31 March 2008, 08:32 PM

The catalogue is here:

http://www.antiquorum-japan.com/rolex/catalog.html

I would say though that they expect 30-40,000 USD for this one due to it's limited edition nature. If you got one for 6,000, you're either very lucky or it's not genuine.

Chris

dopeymuppet · 31 March 2008, 08:35 PM

Sorry for all of the posts but I would also say again that almost every fake daytona I've seen had that engraved on the caseback. I didn't realise it was at one point a genuine Rolex feature, albeit limited edition.

Chris

shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 08:35 PM

Photos

shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 08:40 PM

Thanks everybody for helping. Maybe the photographs will help ?

shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 08:43 PM

2careless.
Well, you have earned some commission. I'll surely send over some spoils if it comes out good!

My promise.

2careless · 31 March 2008, 08:43 PM

That looks like fake. The catalog said that the winner gets a SS Daytona. This one is not. Also, this sample looks like the links are gold plated. Next, the sample here has "SWISS MADE". I think it should instead print "T SWISS MADE T" for that era.
Last, the "Winner" on the caseback is very different to the "Winner" of the genuine item at the auction.

Argh, sorry, looks like not my lucky day :(

P.S. Just saw your mentioning nothing at the 6 o'clock lug - either the number is being filed off, or it's a fake. Both are not good.

dopeymuppet · 31 March 2008, 08:44 PM

There's something not right about the crown-guards or the strap at the back...

shaklebolt · 31 March 2008, 08:50 PM

so its a fake after all ?

dopeymuppet · 31 March 2008, 08:51 PM

I would say so, yes. Sorry :(

dopeymuppet · 31 March 2008, 08:52 PM

But of course, check it out at an AD to be sure!

el-piloto · 31 March 2008, 08:55 PM

Ouch, ouch, oooouch!!!!

I'm sorry to say, but the pic you posted clearly show it for what it is:
a fake, like everybody else said here!
(Not that there was much doubt before, but your pictures are the unfortunate
proof...)
I can only hope that you didn't mean it when you wrote that you put $ 6K out
of your pocket for it...
Or at least, if you did... hurry & try to get back your funds.

Sorry for the bad news...

---

Addition: Not to mention the "AD" in the wording...
It should read "Winner Rolex 24 AT Daytona..."... the AD in the engraving of
the case-back is... umm... rather... hilarious, I'm afraid.

Plus the fact that - if truly one of the very few original Ds that were
actually presented to the drivers - it should be in SS!

Follow the link posted above by "dopeymuppet" and go to page 466 as he
suggested. There you'll see what the original looks like...

Sorry for the bad news again... :-(

shaklebolt · 1 April 2008, 06:02 AM

I did spend $6000 on it !
I'll go to a AD to check it out.

shaklebolt · 1 April 2008, 10:43 AM

It doesn't have any numbers written between both the 6 o clock and 12 o clock lugs.

My whole college depends on this watch's price guys.. help me out!

cocopeep · 1 April 2008, 11:01 AM

just curious, where did you buy the watch from?

shaklebolt · 1 April 2008, 11:05 AM

A graduating friend. I thought he won't, but it looks like he bumped me. And now I don't have money to pay for college!

Scarface · 1 April 2008, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaklebolt

My whole college depends on this watch's price guys..

What do you mean by this statement

????

shaklebolt · 1 April 2008, 11:09 AM

I lost money. I have to pay for college from this watch. And it is a FAKE!
damned my life.

Scarface · 1 April 2008, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shaklebolt

A graduating friend. And now I don't have money to pay for college!

Now that 's a real friend ... I 'd get him in a dark corner and ... make him an offer (to buy it back) that he can't refuse

shaklebolt · 1 April 2008, 11:14 AM

Hope I FIND him so that I can KILL HIM. He needed money urgently, had to buy something for his gf who was also graduating. Gave me this shit for keepsake for 6K. Had'nt heard from him in 6 months and now I need the money... and it turns out to be fake.

ROGERB · 1 April 2008, 12:00 PM

I'm afraid the visual evidence is overwhelming...you got took my friend... I'm very sorry to tell you.
R

stevemulholland3 · 1 April 2008, 12:40 PM

wow its a bad fake at that.you had better demand your money back for that.

31 March 2008, 07:54 PM	#1
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	Original or fake ? all points towards fake,, but I still feel it could be original ? u guys tell Written in front: rolex oyster perpetual superlative chronometer officially certified cosmograph Swiss made Written on back: WINNER 24 ROLEX AD DAYTONA 1992 Written on stap on the side: 16520 Strap corner: 455 R STRAP BACK: Geneve Swiss Made 18K 750

31 March 2008, 08:08 PM	#3
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	I've seen fakes with Winner 24 on the back before on more than one occassion. __________________ Lee This is my watch. There are many like it but this one is mine... Flickr Blog

31 March 2008, 08:10 PM	#4
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,236	Quite simple its a fake,and most probably made in that well known horological town of wongtyme China. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

31 March 2008, 08:25 PM	#8
Jedi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Lee Location: Malaysia Watch: 16750 Posts: 2,534	Post some pics of the watch my good shaklebolt... all aspects of it, dial, back, bracelet, bracelet removed... __________________ Lee This is my watch. There are many like it but this one is mine... Flickr Blog

31 March 2008, 08:55 PM	#20
el-piloto "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Real Name: Petros Location: Athens, Greece Posts: 370	ouch! Ouch, ouch, oooouch!!!! I'm sorry to say, but the pic you posted clearly show it for what it is: a fake, like everybody else said here! (Not that there was much doubt before, but your pictures are the unfortunate proof...) I can only hope that you didn't mean it when you wrote that you put $ 6K out of your pocket for it... Or at least, if you did... hurry & try to get back your funds. Sorry for the bad news... --- Addition: Not to mention the "AD" in the wording... It should read "Winner Rolex 24 AT Daytona..."... the AD in the engraving of the case-back is... umm... rather... hilarious, I'm afraid. Plus the fact that - if truly one of the very few original Ds that were actually presented to the drivers - it should be in SS! Follow the link posted above by "dopeymuppet" and go to page 466 as he suggested. There you'll see what the original looks like... Sorry for the bad news again... :-( __________________ This is gold, Mr. Bond. All my life I've admired its color, its brilliance, its divine heaviness. I welcome any enterprise that will increase my stock...which is considerable!

31 March 2008, 08:02 PM	#2
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	Written on back: WINNER 24 ROLEX AD DAYTONA 1992 I have seen several fakes with this written on the back......Rolex generally don't engrave on the casebacks (with the exception of the Sea Dweller) so unless someone has randomly put that on post purchase (unlikely), I would say it was a fake. Wait and see what the others have to say about it first though! Hope that helps! Chris

31 March 2008, 08:20 PM	#5
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	dunno guys everybody says its fake but i think its original. Is it possible that there is a rolex with that printed on the back and nothing written between the six o clock lugs ? Just asking.. seems stupid though. I paid $6000 for this one.

31 March 2008, 08:20 PM	#6
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	No. According to the Antiquorum 17/Apr/2008 Rolex sports watches auction catalog, for lot 264, it shows a black dial Daytona with a case back engraved "Winner Rolex 24" and some other very small print that I can't read... The explanation stated: "Since 1991, Rolex became the title sponsor at the famous race becoming known as the Rolex 24 at Daytona. To mark this event, every winning driver of each class gets a Rolex stainless steel Daytona as a reward that bears a dedication caseback. This particular watch was won at the 1996 race in the GT category in a Porsche 996". P.S. I'll need to dig into the forum archives to find a download link for the catalog...

31 March 2008, 08:23 PM	#7
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	you mean it is a fake or it is real ? also, is there a link where i could read about this ?

31 March 2008, 08:27 PM	#9
2careless "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Melbourne, AU Watch: Pepsi Posts: 4,369	It could be real. I don't think Antiquorum will auction fakes! That lot was quoted as $30k USD... still searching... hold on. Here you are: http://www.pagegangster.com/shop/pub...ns/view/19913/ Scroll to page 466/ lot 264. Good luck and have fun... Will I get any commission if you make a lot of money out of it? Ops ops. the page not found... they pulled it! meh, I'll try upload just those 2 pages then. the catalog is like 100MByte in total...

31 March 2008, 08:32 PM	#10
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	The catalogue is here: http://www.antiquorum-japan.com/rolex/catalog.html I would say though that they expect 30-40,000 USD for this one due to it's limited edition nature. If you got one for 6,000, you're either very lucky or it's not genuine. Chris

31 March 2008, 08:35 PM	#11
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	Sorry for all of the posts but I would also say again that almost every fake daytona I've seen had that engraved on the caseback. I didn't realise it was at one point a genuine Rolex feature, albeit limited edition. Chris

31 March 2008, 08:40 PM	#13
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	Thanks everybody for helping. Maybe the photographs will help ?

31 March 2008, 08:43 PM	#14
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	2careless. Well, you have earned some commission. I'll surely send over some spoils if it comes out good! My promise.

31 March 2008, 08:44 PM	#16
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	There's something not right about the crown-guards or the strap at the back...

31 March 2008, 08:50 PM	#17
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	so its a fake after all ?

31 March 2008, 08:51 PM	#18
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	I would say so, yes. Sorry :(

31 March 2008, 08:52 PM	#19
dopeymuppet "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: UK Posts: 184	But of course, check it out at an AD to be sure!

1 April 2008, 06:02 AM	#21
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	I did spend $6000 on it ! I'll go to a AD to check it out.

1 April 2008, 10:43 AM	#22
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	It doesn't have any numbers written between both the 6 o clock and 12 o clock lugs. My whole college depends on this watch's price guys.. help me out!

1 April 2008, 11:01 AM	#23
cocopeep "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: PA Watch: DJ 116234 Posts: 510	just curious, where did you buy the watch from?

1 April 2008, 11:05 AM	#24
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	A graduating friend. I thought he won't, but it looks like he bumped me. And now I don't have money to pay for college!

1 April 2008, 11:09 AM	#26
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	I lost money. I have to pay for college from this watch. And it is a FAKE! damned my life.

1 April 2008, 11:14 AM	#28
shaklebolt "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: India Posts: 12	Hope I FIND him so that I can KILL HIM. He needed money urgently, had to buy something for his gf who was also graduating. Gave me this shit for keepsake for 6K. Had'nt heard from him in 6 months and now I need the money... and it turns out to be fake.

1 April 2008, 12:00 PM	#29
ROGERB "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Roger Location: WHITE ROCK BC Watch: 89 16610, 57 7914, Posts: 897	I'm afraid the visual evidence is overwhelming...you got took my friend... I'm very sorry to tell you. R

1 April 2008, 12:40 PM	#30
stevemulholland3 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: steven Location: tampa bay Watch: 1680 18k sub Posts: 6,673	wow its a bad fake at that.you had better demand your money back for that.

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