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madformac · 10 November 2006, 08:45 AM

I've been talking to a few ADs recently and a couple of interesting points have been raised in casual conversation.

Firstly the abundance of 16610 Submariner Dates available at the moment and secondly the fate of the 14060M.

My dealers have heard mutterings of a glut of 16610's being released to clear outstanding backorders. It appears so around here at least. I've seen more Sub Dates in two months than the past three years. Why?

Well firstly it clears the path for an updated Submariner Date to be released in the next year or two. I'm talking the new style case, Maxi dial, ceramic bezel and new oyster bracelet etc.

Secondly the new price increases have been relatively high this year to cover the manufacturing costs for the new model and machinery and when its released there will not be a major price rise, prompting customers to buy.

As for the 14060M. Well I've heard various ADs telling me they have it from "very reliable" sources that it will be discontinued in the coming year. Looking at the fact its not had SELs and an update yet the price has increased anyway it could be seen as a warning.

All this is just talk and nothing is backed with evidence of course. At first I laughed it off but the more I think about recent events the more I'm not so sure..

roadcarver · 10 November 2006, 12:27 PM

Why oh why did you have to post this!!! I am about to flip my 14060... now you're making me think twice

mike · 10 November 2006, 12:32 PM

Yeah... I read a couple reports about a possible discontinuence of the 14060M.
Who knows?

colemanitis · 10 November 2006, 12:35 PM

So, the question is... after they're discontinued will their value go up?

roadcarver · 10 November 2006, 12:58 PM

Mine is just the 14060... hmmm...

haakon59 · 10 November 2006, 01:45 PM

Just a question: is this about the Submariner only or is Rolex also going to update the Sea Dweller? Since they are similar, I was wondering. Also, did you hear a more specific date for the update? I assume it was just gossip and your not sure but I thought I would ask anyway.

Lol-x · 10 November 2006, 02:49 PM

Interesting theory, it does appear to make sense on the assumption that what you say about the existing Subs being sold out.
On the other hand, wouldn't the price of Submariners be more likely to have remained the same if Rolex wanted to unload existing stocks to make way for a new model.
I recall that in Europe the price of the regular date Sub went up to match the price of the Green Sub (try to work that one out)?
The new super case is most likely on its way and it is a logical progression for the Sub, GMT (already out in TT & 18K Gold) and Sea-Dweller.
I don't think Rolex prices will be coming down in the near future, and with the release of new model Subs, GMTs and Sea-Dweller there are sure to be new higher prices with the release of those new models.
So yeah, it's all good, just hand over massive chunks of cash and you can enjoy any Rolex

kakalika · 10 November 2006, 03:05 PM

Very interesting, I would certainly love a new sub with a better bracelet and clasp. Maxi dial would be nice too preferably with the submariner text in red. I would trade in my sub for it in a heartbeat.

JJ Irani · 10 November 2006, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by colemanitis

So, the question is... after they're discontinued will their value go up?

Naturally!

JJ Irani · 10 November 2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kakalika

Very interesting, I would certainly love a new sub with a better bracelet and clasp. Maxi dial would be nice too preferably with the submariner text in red. I would trade in my sub for it in a heartbeat.

To be completely honest, I think the present SS Sub-date 16610 will always remain a classic and IMHO the ULTIMATE ROLEX!!

Let no changes be made to this dial with the standard size markers and hands. Who wants a dial cluttered with jumbo blobs of luminova?

Nothing wrong with the current bracelet either. I can assure all of you that it was designed for strength and durability...and that it is. The clasp has always been branded as stamped metal...so who cares? It's strong as hell, closes shut with a resounding CLICK and holds the watch in place as it's meant to do.

Hey, ROLEX, do you tossers hear me? Don't do a damn thing to the SUB!!!

There's the perfect dial...

And what the hell's wrong with this luminova?

JJ

padi56 · 10 November 2006, 07:04 PM

Yes it was started about a month ago,but IMHO its just a rumour cannot see Rolex discontinuing the 14060M.In relative term they have only just upgraded the movement,but Rolex have done some stranger things.

C.J. · 10 November 2006, 11:14 PM

While I would like to see a 16610 with a maxi-dial, I would hate to see the 14060M be discontinued

That one really is a classic

Rodmo · 10 November 2006, 11:21 PM

I know I am a "low poster" here, however, if I may, I agree with JJ completely.

What I like about Rolex is that things don't change (or at least very slowly!!).

I'd hate to see the Sub lose its pedigree......

Rockrolex · 10 November 2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rodmo

I know I am a "low poster" here, however, if I may, I agree with JJ completely.

I'm sorry, Rod, but "low posters" are not allowed to agree with JJ. You do not have enough experience here to let yourself in for that kind of trouble.

Please do not agree with the BKL in the future until you have at least 500 posts under your belt. After that, we'll feel comfortable allowing you to agree with him.

Rodmo · 10 November 2006, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockrolex

I'm sorry, Rod, but "low posters" are not allowed to agree with JJ. You do not have enough experience here to let yourself in for that kind of trouble.

Please do not agree with the BKL in the future until you have at least 500 posts under your belt. After that, we'll feel comfortable allowing you to agree with him.

I think I need my get out of jail card!!!

mickiratt · 11 November 2006, 12:06 AM

I could be wrong but I betchya the Subs get updated with the "new" style clasps at the very least. Maybe even solid center links on both the SS and TT models but who knows. They just had a price increase and to make those changes would drive the price even higher one would think.

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mickiratt

I could be wrong but I betchya the Subs get updated with the "new" style clasps at the very least. Maybe even solid center links on both the SS and TT models but who knows. They just had a price increase and to make those changes would drive the price even higher one would think.

You just about answered your own question, pal!!

Why would Rolex (whose marketing is probably the best of the best out there), kill the goose that's laying the golden eggs?

The Subs, SDs, GMTs, Exps and Daytonas are selling like the proverbial "hot cakes" as they are at present. Why change a good thing?

JJ

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodmo

I know I am a "low poster" here, however, if I may, I agree with JJ completely.

What I like about Rolex is that things don't change (or at least very slowly!!).

I'd hate to see the Sub lose its pedigree......

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rodmo

I think I need my get out of jail card!!!

Thanks, Rod.

I hereby command you to start posting now like never before!!

Sam · 11 November 2006, 04:36 AM

The way things trickle down the line with Rolex, I bet the 16610 gets a new clasp and solid bracelet, while the 14060M gets the current SEL hollow bracelet and clasp. I'd be surprised if the drop the 14060M completely. The Sub has always lagged behind the Sub Date. Just my 2 cents.

Goodwatch · 11 November 2006, 05:26 AM

Honestly JJ, you make it sound as if the markers on a maxi dial are the size of New Jersey

It is a very nice watch, I agree, but the ultimate? Superlative yes, but ultimate?

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 05:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Honestly JJ, you make it sound as if the markers on a maxi dial are the size of New Jersey

It is a very nice watch, I agree, but the ultimate? Superlative yes, but ultimate?

Well, Frans, when you hold a standard dial and a maxi one side by side, you tend to see more of luminova on the maxi one and less of WG.

I prefer to see more of WG on mine!!

Goodwatch · 11 November 2006, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Well, Frans, when you hold a standard dial and a maxi one side by side, you tend to see more of luminova on the maxi one and less of WG.

I prefer to see more of WG on mine!!

Why? It looks like polished stainless steel

I always believed you wanted to see more cleavage but apparently you have changed

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 05:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Goodwatch

Why? It looks like polished stainless steel

I always believed you wanted to see more cleavage but aperantly you have changed

Agreed about the cleavage bit....but let me give you a classic example on the same.

Would you rather see the cleavage of a 36C cup or a 44DD ???

Zeon · 11 November 2006, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

To be completely honest, I think the present SS Sub-date 16610 will always remain a classic and IMHO the ULTIMATE ROLEX!!

Let no changes be made to this dial with the standard size markers and hands. Who wants a dial cluttered with jumbo blobs of luminova?

Nothing wrong with the current bracelet either. I can assure all of you that it was designed for strength and durability...and that it is. The clasp has always been branded as stamped metal...so who cares? It's strong as hell, closes shut with a resounding CLICK and holds the watch in place as it's meant to do.

Hey, ROLEX, do you tossers hear me? Don't do a damn thing to the SUB!!!

There's the perfect dial...

And what the hell's wrong with this luminova?

JJ

I agree 100% with JJ. The current Sub Date is classic Rolex perfection.

Dennis

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 03:37 PM

Thanks, Dennis....you're the man!!

dman · 11 November 2006, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Thanks, Dennis....you're the man!!

Excuse me JJ, but I believe the man is already taken, I thank you.

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dman

Excuse me JJ, but I believe the man is already taken, I thank you.

And you're the man too, dman!!

dman · 11 November 2006, 03:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

And you're the man too, dman!!

Check your PM ya bald loon, please.

10 November 2006, 08:45 AM	#1
madformac "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Justin Location: Manchester, UK. Posts: 708	The Submariner conspiracy I've been talking to a few ADs recently and a couple of interesting points have been raised in casual conversation. Firstly the abundance of 16610 Submariner Dates available at the moment and secondly the fate of the 14060M. My dealers have heard mutterings of a glut of 16610's being released to clear outstanding backorders. It appears so around here at least. I've seen more Sub Dates in two months than the past three years. Why? Well firstly it clears the path for an updated Submariner Date to be released in the next year or two. I'm talking the new style case, Maxi dial, ceramic bezel and new oyster bracelet etc. Secondly the new price increases have been relatively high this year to cover the manufacturing costs for the new model and machinery and when its released there will not be a major price rise, prompting customers to buy. As for the 14060M. Well I've heard various ADs telling me they have it from "very reliable" sources that it will be discontinued in the coming year. Looking at the fact its not had SELs and an update yet the price has increased anyway it could be seen as a warning. All this is just talk and nothing is backed with evidence of course. At first I laughed it off but the more I think about recent events the more I'm not so sure..

10 November 2006, 12:27 PM	#2
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Why oh why did you have to post this!!! I am about to flip my 14060... now you're making me think twice __________________ I'm just a cook...

10 November 2006, 12:35 PM	#4
colemanitis "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jeff Location: Florida Watch: PAM 1090 Posts: 3,723	So, the question is... after they're discontinued will their value go up? __________________ Member #471

10 November 2006, 12:58 PM	#5
roadcarver "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Real Name: Vernon Location: C-a-n-a-d-a Watch: 16600 Posts: 5,641	Mine is just the 14060... hmmm... __________________ I'm just a cook...

10 November 2006, 03:05 PM	#8
kakalika "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Minnesota, USA Watch: SS Sub-Date Posts: 505	Very interesting, I would certainly love a new sub with a better bracelet and clasp. Maxi dial would be nice too preferably with the submariner text in red. I would trade in my sub for it in a heartbeat. __________________ I thought I was mistaken, but then I realized I was wrong.

10 November 2006, 12:32 PM	#3
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Yeah... I read a couple reports about a possible discontinuence of the 14060M. Who knows?

10 November 2006, 01:45 PM	#6
haakon59 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 1,571	Just a question: is this about the Submariner only or is Rolex also going to update the Sea Dweller? Since they are similar, I was wondering. Also, did you hear a more specific date for the update? I assume it was just gossip and your not sure but I thought I would ask anyway.

10 November 2006, 02:49 PM	#7
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,245	Interesting theory, it does appear to make sense on the assumption that what you say about the existing Subs being sold out. On the other hand, wouldn't the price of Submariners be more likely to have remained the same if Rolex wanted to unload existing stocks to make way for a new model. I recall that in Europe the price of the regular date Sub went up to match the price of the Green Sub (try to work that one out)? The new super case is most likely on its way and it is a logical progression for the Sub, GMT (already out in TT & 18K Gold) and Sea-Dweller. I don't think Rolex prices will be coming down in the near future, and with the release of new model Subs, GMTs and Sea-Dweller there are sure to be new higher prices with the release of those new models. So yeah, it's all good, just hand over massive chunks of cash and you can enjoy any Rolex

10 November 2006, 07:04 PM	#11
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 52,269	Yes it was started about a month ago,but IMHO its just a rumour cannot see Rolex discontinuing the 14060M.In relative term they have only just upgraded the movement,but Rolex have done some stranger things. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

10 November 2006, 11:14 PM	#12
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	While I would like to see a 16610 with a maxi-dial, I would hate to see the 14060M be discontinued That one really is a classic __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

10 November 2006, 11:21 PM	#13
Rodmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Canada Watch: 3 Subs/2 Daytonas Posts: 305	I know I am a "low poster" here, however, if I may, I agree with JJ completely. What I like about Rolex is that things don't change (or at least very slowly!!). I'd hate to see the Sub lose its pedigree......

11 November 2006, 12:06 AM	#16
mickiratt Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Steve Location: Canton, Ohio Posts: 162	I could be wrong but I betchya the Subs get updated with the "new" style clasps at the very least. Maybe even solid center links on both the SS and TT models but who knows. They just had a price increase and to make those changes would drive the price even higher one would think.

11 November 2006, 04:36 AM	#19
Sam Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Texas Watch: Yes...too many!!! Posts: 426	The way things trickle down the line with Rolex, I bet the 16610 gets a new clasp and solid bracelet, while the 14060M gets the current SEL hollow bracelet and clasp. I'd be surprised if the drop the 14060M completely. The Sub has always lagged behind the Sub Date. Just my 2 cents.

11 November 2006, 05:26 AM	#20
Goodwatch "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Real Name: Frans ® Location: Rotterdam Watch: the sunrise... Posts: 10,230	Honestly JJ, you make it sound as if the markers on a maxi dial are the size of New Jersey It is a very nice watch, I agree, but the ultimate? Superlative yes, but ultimate? __________________ Member# 127

11 November 2006, 03:37 PM	#25
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,320	Thanks, Dennis....you're the man!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

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