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tahitianmoon 24 August 2019 11:38 AM

Thoughts on vintage Rolex with service replacement parts
 
I understand that collectors want all original parts to a watch, but as a daily wearer, what is the downside to genuine Rolex service replacement parts? It seems to me that you could get a "new" vintage piece for a substantial discount. Thoughts?

Old Expat Beast 24 August 2019 11:50 AM

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My 5513 with RSC-replaced dial hands and crystal (pressure tested to 200m) is my favourite Rolex that I own. Being a later model it also looks pretty much the same as it would have when new.

tahitianmoon 24 August 2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast (Post 9923704)
My 5513 with RSC-replaced dial hands and crystal (pressure tested to 200m) is my favourite Rolex that I own. Being a later model it also looks pretty much the same as it would have when new.

Beautiful 5513 :cheers: That's what I was thinking also. It seems like the chance to go back in time and get the vintage watch you want basically new. Is there any downside mechanically or resale issues to a serviced watch? I'm looking at a 1967 GMT Master 1675 with replaced dial, hands and crystal. As long as the parts are genuine, this wouldn't be frowned on as a Frankenwatch?

Old Expat Beast 24 August 2019 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by tahitianmoon (Post 9923717)
Beautiful 5513 :cheers: That's what I was thinking also. It seems like the chance to go back in time and get the vintage watch you want basically new. Is there any downside mechanically or resale issues to a serviced watch? I'm looking at a 1967 GMT Master 1675 with replaced dial, hands and crystal. As long as the parts are genuine, this wouldn't be frowned on as a Frankenwatch?

Thanks. If it's all Rolex parts added by RSC then it's not Franken, it's just a properly maintained Rolex watch (in Rolex's eyes anyway). As you long as you buy at the right price you probably won't lose. I imagine these RSC-refreshed watches will only get more common and accepted as the years go by anyway, and vintage dials and hands deteriorate more and more.

037 24 August 2019 12:42 PM

The only downside might be if you'll ever grow tired of the Luminova dial and hands, wishing they were tritium. But, if the case and bezel are in good shape, you can source a period-correct dial, hand set and insert later if you want to get it back to the original look.

Is the date disc still original? I'd imagine it would have hooked 7s in the 1967 era. I'd personally only go for it if the date disc were original since they can be one of the more difficult parts to source and help give it part of the vintage charm despite the service dial/hands/insert.

Dan S 24 August 2019 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tahitianmoon (Post 9923717)
Beautiful 5513 :cheers: That's what I was thinking also. It seems like the chance to go back in time and get the vintage watch you want basically new. Is there any downside mechanically or resale issues to a serviced watch? I'm looking at a 1967 GMT Master 1675 with replaced dial, hands and crystal. As long as the parts are genuine, this wouldn't be frowned on as a Frankenwatch?

If you like it, fine. Just don't overpay, since it is no longer really collectible and the value is decimated by the service parts. Also understand that its value will not keep up with honest vintage pieces. So if you later decide you want to trade up to a legit vintage piece, you're likely to fall further and further behind as time passes.

For a daily wearer, I'd rather buy an honest tritium 14060. They develop nice patina, and actually have a chance of being considered true vintage watches in the future.

Tools 24 August 2019 02:27 PM

There is absolutely nothing wrong with a properly serviced and cared for vintage watch. This included the appropriate use of service parts.

50 year old watches are not practical with original parts, and never have been.

There is a huge difference between rare, true collector pieces with provenance and accessories, and an easily procured daily use, or nice to have in the watch-box piece.

aayates 30 September 2019 08:55 AM

I have a 18238 I recently bought in to rsc for servicing. The tritium dial looks ok, but there's obviously no illumination in the dark. Will RSC replace it with a luminova dial if I approve a replacement? I plan on keeping the watch forever, so not worried about resale. But if the new dial (and hands) are not readable in the dark due to some vintage dial replacement then I will keep the original. thanks.

crowncollection 30 September 2019 08:59 AM

Nothing wrong with a well serviced daily wear


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zapokee 30 September 2019 10:24 AM

Just a personal view. If I'd bought a watch with a service dial and hands at the start of my collecting career, I'd have liked it at the time, but I'd gradually have gone off it as I learned more about the hobby.

Everyone's different, of course. Having a "new" vintage watch at old prices might be perfect for some. :cheers:

rootbeer7 30 September 2019 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by zapokee (Post 10017963)
Just a personal view. If I'd bought a watch with a service dial and hands at the start of my collecting career, I'd have liked it at the time, but I'd gradually have gone off it as I learned more about the hobby.

Everyone's different, of course. Having a "new" vintage watch at old prices might be perfect for some. :cheers:

I was sorely tempted by a stunning 1680 with luminova dial and hands. In the end I knew I would tire of it and passed.

Tom1675 1 October 2019 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by zapokee (Post 10017963)
Just a personal view. If I'd bought a watch with a service dial and hands at the start of my collecting career, I'd have liked it at the time, but I'd gradually have gone off it as I learned more about the hobby.

Everyone's different, of course. Having a "new" vintage watch at old prices might be perfect for some. :cheers:

Agreed. But to Adam's point, once someone has a larger collection and has lived with the vintage disease for a long while, it goes full circle and a properly serviced (luminova even) piece can become quite enjoyable. :cheers:

strafer_kid 1 October 2019 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast (Post 9923704)
My 5513 with RSC-replaced dial hands and crystal (pressure tested to 200m) is my favourite Rolex that I own. Being a later model it also looks pretty much the same as it would have when new.

I have a very similar 5513 dating from 1988 with RSC history etc. On one hand there is the classic (if not vintage) look and appeal, with the added benefit of full health check and servicing. As someone has mentioned earlier in this thread, a50 year old watch with original parts can be impractical - why not have peace of mind and enjoy!

ROGERB 2 October 2019 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast (Post 9923704)
My 5513 with RSC-replaced dial hands and crystal (pressure tested to 200m) is my favourite Rolex that I own. Being a later model it also looks pretty much the same as it would have when new.

Looks good next to that fine pair of AO's!!
:thumbsup:

air_king 2 October 2019 01:49 AM

The thing is you don’t need to be told by someone else why you should or shouldn’t like anything. At the end of the day it’s just a watch, enjoy what YOU like.

daveo5 2 October 2019 03:03 AM

When buying vintage you have to consider whether it was for a not-to-be-worn piece or worn. My vintage watches were serviced by Rolex by the previous owners. To ensure wearability workout parts may have been replaced. Seals certainly to ensure water resistance. Again, the question for you, do ever intend to wear the piece? IMHO replaced parts by manufacturer’s parts still vintage.


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zapokee 3 October 2019 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom1675 (Post 10019161)
Agreed. But to Adam's point, once someone has a larger collection and has lived with the vintage disease for a long while, it goes full circle and a properly serviced (luminova even) piece can become quite enjoyable. :cheers:

That's what Tudor Black Bays are for. :thumbsup:

Old Expat Beast 3 October 2019 03:05 PM

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That's what Tudor Black Bays are for. :thumbsup:

I have one of those, too. Still prefer the lighter, more streamlined look and feel refurbed 5513 :thumbsup:

Old Expat Beast 3 October 2019 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by ROGERB (Post 10021755)
Looks good next to that fine pair of AO's!!
:thumbsup:

Thanks :cheers:

zapokee 3 October 2019 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Old Expat Beast (Post 10026040)
I have one of those, too. Still prefer the lighter, more streamlined look and feel refurbed 5513 :thumbsup:

Both awesome. We're all blessed. :cheers:

JeffK114060 6 October 2019 12:51 AM

For a daily wear, as long as there genuine parts who cares! Wear and enjoy... [emoji41][emoji108]

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