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RollieKid 14 January 2015 01:15 PM

A. Lange & Söhne New vs Pre-Owned Conundrum
 
G’day All :cheers:

After trying on a couple of A.Lange & Sohne watches from the local AD last week, I have to say that I am head over heels for the brand. The finishing and movements on those watches are just exquisite :clap:

And considering these watches require some serious cash (even for entry level ones) I went online to have a look at feedback about the brand and their watches. The main concern for ALS watches was the resale value and namely the fact that you could purchase a pre-own at 45% to 50% off the price of a new one.

It’s not that I can’t afford to pay retail price for the models I am interested in, but I can’t help but think (especially for a +$20k watch purchase) that I am forking out $35k when I can get a pre-own (gently used) at $19k.

Which brings me to the following questions for ALS owners:

1) Did you buy your ALS new or pre-owned?

2) For those who bought new, would you have bought pre-owned instead if you were offered the same model pre-owned and at a substantially cheaper price?

3) What advice would you give to a potential ALS owner - Buy new or used?

Cheers :thumbsup:

CharlieMae 14 January 2015 02:19 PM

ALS to me are the best watches made in the world. I am coming from PP which most people feel are a notch above, but in my opinion the finish, the quality control, the details...ALS is at the very top of the game.

However, ALS has a terrible resale value whereas PP can occasionally increase or hold fairly level, ALS drops like a rock the moment you take it out of the showroom.

For this reason I would ONLY buy grey market or preowned to take the initial hit off of the table.

psv 14 January 2015 02:23 PM

Pre-owned is the way to go for ALS if you are value-driven.

snhrph 14 January 2015 02:29 PM

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You need this Conundrum to get over yours...

snhrph 14 January 2015 02:29 PM

And it WAAAAAAAAAY cheaper too...

yjfang 14 January 2015 03:00 PM

ALS like most brands experience a fair amount of depreciation in the secondary market (pre-owned vs. list price). I almost always buy pre-owned and have bought my Lange 1 and 1815 Chronograph that way. If you don't have to have brand new like some people, buying pre-owned is the best way to go for almost all brands.

yjfang 14 January 2015 03:03 PM

But I would not get this pre-owned! :rofl:

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Originally Posted by snhrph (Post 5536948)
And it WAAAAAAAAAY cheaper too...


GB-man 14 January 2015 04:11 PM

Buy preowned. I know I would just buy a new strap and call it a day. Take the extra cash and put it towards the next watch :cheers:

joli160 14 January 2015 06:17 PM

The only way, if ever, I can afford a Lange to my liking is buying pre-owned.
If I had the funds I would buy new.

cchen 14 January 2015 07:59 PM

I bought mine new with warranty from a grey market dealer/trader. I had been looking for a used example of this model for several months, but this model is pretty rare in the 2nd hand market.

RollieKid 14 January 2015 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by snhrph (Post 5536945)
You need this Conundrum to get over yours...

If I had drank that whole bottle I probably would have purchased the watch already no questions asked...:chuckle:

RollieKid 14 January 2015 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by yjfang (Post 5536997)
ALS like most brands experience a fair amount of depreciation in the secondary market (pre-owned vs. list price). I almost always buy pre-owned and have bought my Lange 1 and 1815 Chronograph that way. If you don't have to have brand new like some people, buying pre-owned is the best way to go for almost all brands.

Yeah...my problem is that I am paranoid that I won't be getting the genuine article if I bought pre-owned or from a grey dealer. All the watches I have owned were purchased brand new from ADs.

I'm the type to "buy and keep" so you would think that buying a ALS new shouldn't be an issue as long as I don't sell. But the poor resale value still bothers me for some reason.

waspy1 14 January 2015 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by RollieKid (Post 5537316)
Yeah...my problem is that I am paranoid that I won't be getting the genuine article if I bought pre-owned or from a grey dealer. All the watches I have owned were purchased brand new from ADs.



I'm the type to "buy and keep" so you would think that buying a ALS new shouldn't be an issue as long as I don't sell. But the poor resale value still bothers me for some reason.


I'm pretty sure that there are no fakers out there even thinking of trying to copy a lange to any extent which it would look the same - have you seen the finish of the movements? I really wouldn't worry about being passed off a fake. You should, however, price in the cost of a service as this can be a pretty hefty sum on the complication models and takes several months.

Personally I'd only buy pre owned for a lange and I did just that for my 1815 chrono. Besides which, I preferred the older model to the newer one so that was also a consideration.


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AK797 15 January 2015 01:56 AM

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Originally Posted by waspy1 (Post 5537359)
I'm pretty sure that there are no fakers out there even thinking of trying to copy a lange to any extent which it would look the same - have you seen the finish of the movements? I really wouldn't worry about being passed off a fake. You should, however, price in the cost of a service as this can be a pretty hefty sum on the complication models and takes several months.

Personally I'd only buy pre owned for a lange and I did just that for my 1815 chrono. Besides which, I preferred the older model to the newer one so that was also a consideration.


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Agree the mvmnt cannot be faked so you should have no trouble finding the real thing. Preowned or new with a large discount for sure, as just knowing your watch has dropped 30-40% in value will ruin your ownership experience of such a luxury quality product.

tigerpac 15 January 2015 08:48 AM

pre-owned from a reputable source

DECR 15 January 2015 12:54 PM

Preloved. Make sure the seller is legit and the watch in good condition.

Or negotiate really hard with your AD.

Best of luck!

paverman 15 January 2015 01:33 PM

Preowned is always a viable option for any brand, as long as you trust the seller.
It also depends on which reference you're seeking, as some of the hard to get pieces may have to be gotten from an AD.

Good luck in your hunt for your favorite ALS, you won't regret it, it's my favorite brand. :thumbsup:

limenko 15 January 2015 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RollieKid (Post 5536789)
G’day All :cheers:

After trying on a couple of A.Lange & Sohne watches from the local AD last week, I have to say that I am head over heels for the brand. The finishing and movements on those watches are just exquisite :clap:

And considering these watches require some serious cash (even for entry level ones) I went online to have a look at feedback about the brand and their watches. The main concern for ALS watches was the resale value and namely the fact that you could purchase a pre-own at 45% to 50% off the price of a new one.

It’s not that I can’t afford to pay retail price for the models I am interested in, but I can’t help but think (especially for a +$20k watch purchase) that I am forking out $35k when I can get a pre-own (gently used) at $19k.

Which brings me to the following questions for ALS owners:

1) Did you buy your ALS new or pre-owned?

2) For those who bought new, would you have bought pre-owned instead if you were offered the same model pre-owned and at a substantially cheaper price?

3) What advice would you give to a potential ALS owner - Buy new or used?

Cheers :thumbsup:

Hi mate,

I wanted to buy new but the AD (same one I think you are looking at) didn't want to negotiate the price. For mine if I could get 15% off from the AD I would go for it but alas now I am scouring the net to find what I want.

Cheers

RollieKid 15 January 2015 09:06 PM

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Originally Posted by limenko (Post 5539008)
Hi mate,

I wanted to buy new but the AD (same one I think you are looking at) didn't want to negotiate the price. For mine if I could get 15% off from the AD I would go for it but alas now I am scouring the net to find what I want.

Cheers

I take it we are talking about Watches of Switzerland here in Sydney :chuckle:

The sales person I dealt with was quite knowledgeable and friendly, he even let me try on the Zeitwerk in white gold and the version with the striking time. But alas, as you mentioned no leeway in terms of any discount which was really disappointing. Once I tried them on I was hooked.

The funny thing was I was never in the market for a ALS, I was actually looking to pick up a Patek 5119 that day but the local ADs didn't have it in yellow gold.

Looks like I too have to take the internet route if I want to pick up a ALS.

limenko 15 January 2015 09:11 PM

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Originally Posted by RollieKid (Post 5539501)
I take it we are talking about Watches of Switzerland here in Sydney :chuckle:



The sales person I dealt with was quite knowledgeable and friendly, he even let me try on the Zeitwerk in white gold and the version with the striking time. But alas, as you mentioned no leeway in terms of any discount which was really disappointing. Once I tried them on I was hooked.



The funny thing was I was never in the market for a ALS, I was actually looking to pick up a Patek 5119 that day but the local ADs didn't have it in yellow gold.



Looks like I too have to take the internet route if I want to pick up a ALS.


Lol. Yup, WoS. Which model were you interested in? 1815 up/down in WG is the one I was looking at.


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RollieKid 15 January 2015 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by limenko (Post 5539506)
Lol. Yup, WoS. Which model were you interested in? 1815 up/down in WG is the one I was looking at.


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I tried on the Saxonia Automatic in WG and the Lange 1 in RG and YG. I was interested in the Lange 1 but it is just over my $30k budget at $37.3k and although the Saxonia was within budget at around $27k it did nothing for me.

1815 up/down is nice. Is WG the only version they had? And do you mind me asking how much they were offering for it?

Cheers :cheers:

limenko 15 January 2015 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by RollieKid (Post 5539552)
I tried on the Saxonia Automatic in WG and the Lange 1 in RG and YG. I was interested in the Lange 1 but it is just over my $30k budget at $37.3k and although the Saxonia was within budget at around $27k it did nothing for me.



1815 up/down is nice. Is WG the only version they had? And do you mind me asking how much they were offering for it?



Cheers :cheers:


I am only interested in WG and that is the only one they had. List price is $33k, there was a little room to move but it was ~5%.


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RollieKid 15 January 2015 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by CharlieMae (Post 5536931)
ALS to me are the best watches made in the world. I am coming from PP which most people feel are a notch above, but in my opinion the finish, the quality control, the details...ALS is at the very top of the game.

However, ALS has a terrible resale value whereas PP can occasionally increase or hold fairly level, ALS drops like a rock the moment you take it out of the showroom.

For this reason I would ONLY buy grey market or preowned to take the initial hit off of the table.

Thanks CharlieMae.

Does this mean if you had a choice between a Patek (say something from the Calatrava line) and a ALS (say something like the Saxonia or 1815) you would pick ALS if we were talking dress watches?

yjfang 15 January 2015 10:04 PM

ALS has some references that I think are better than their Patek counterparts. One being the 1815 Chronograph. To me, a better overall watch with one of the best manual wind chronograph movements today, and at a lower price point than Patek's 5170.

RollieKid 15 January 2015 10:07 PM

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Originally Posted by limenko (Post 5539554)
I am only interested in WG and that is the only one they had. List price is $33k, there was a little room to move but it was ~5%.


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So they offered you 5% discount on the 1815 up/down?

I really liked the Lange 1 and was at one point willing to fork out the extra $7.3k on top of my budget to pick up the Lange 1 new but after seeing the horrendous second hand market value for the watch I'm glad I didn't :chuckle:

limenko 15 January 2015 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RollieKid (Post 5539579)
So they offered you 5% discount on the 1815 up/down?



I really liked the Lange 1 and was at one point willing to fork out the extra $7.3k on top of my budget to pick up the Lange 1 new but after seeing the horrendous second hand market value for the watch I'm glad I didn't :chuckle:


Yup. It is a WG model and a regular production too so I would have liked 15%, alas it wasn't to be. Deals can be found on the net though!


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JD521 16 January 2015 07:13 AM

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There's something about a brand new watch...that feeling of being it's first owner. Especially when you're talking about such a high-end name. Was lucky enough to get a really great deal on my first Lange so I went with new.

I suspect that they gave me such a great deal because they knew it wasn't going to be my last Lange and I'd be a repeat customer. They are probably right:thumbsup::thumbsup:

RollieKid 16 January 2015 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by JD521 (Post 5540600)
There's something about a brand new watch...that feeling of being it's first owner. Especially when you're talking about such a high-end name. Was lucky enough to get a really great deal on my first Lange so I went with new.

I suspect that they gave me such a great deal because they knew it wasn't going to be my last Lange and I'd be a repeat customer. They are probably right:thumbsup::thumbsup:


Nice 1815 :thumbsup:

Like I mentioned before not getting a good discount on the Lange 1 and knowing that the watch's value drops by almost 50% once I leave the AD's doors is really deterring me from buying this model new.

handsfull 16 January 2015 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by CharlieMae (Post 5536931)
ALS to me are the best watches made in the world. I am coming from PP which most people feel are a notch above, but in my opinion the finish, the quality control, the details...ALS is at the very top of the game.


Agree completely. I've handled many PP and ALS pieces. ALS wins hands down in my book.

I would purchase preowned unless I had a relationship with a dealer to get a significant price reduction.:cheers:

tigerpac 16 January 2015 08:53 AM

+1 to ALS > PP on the whole.

Not sure about best in the world though :thinking:


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