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Mystro 14 December 2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by JSol1 (Post 11127441)
As a sailor this watch was always something I wanted for the movement, but I can’t wear it with my chicken wrists. I always wondered if the case size was strictly due to the movement or more about legibility. Perhaps yo would know?


Size feels natural with the dual dial set up and I am sure the Rolex targeted in on the 44mm size as optimal to fit the sub second dial and countdown dial. I can really read the exact time with the white dial and the hash marks between the lume markers. Super crisp and the fine point of the minute hand is very precise.
The dial is really very beautiful and symmetrical. The watch doesn’t feel large compared to a 44mm Panerai or large AP ROOC. To me it feels like a well balanced 42mm watch on my wrist.

To answer another question regarding the new 10th anniversary dial and hands: I initially tried on the YMII back when it had the thinner blue metallic hands. The blue hands contrasted more but I much prefer the white gold markers and the larger 12 and 6 o’clock markers. It sets the dial up better and in total darkness, both the larger hands and markers really glow more and is easier to orientate the time at a quick glance. The lume is surprisingly good. FYI: the countdown red triangle is NOT lumed and was very wise of Rolex to do this as it would clutter the the dial under low light conditions and make it very hard to tell what hand is what.

This is more of a personal style preference but the watch being more monochromatic is cleaner looking to my eyes without the blue hands. Everything is a trade off.


As a historical info to this movement. The 4161 is the second generation of this movement. When initially introduced only in yellow or white gold back in 2007, it had the caliber 4160. They had some initial issues with some lag time between button push and start of the timer. Rolex revised the movement when they introduced the YM2 in all SS. That movement was upgraded with several key benefits like more shock proof, instant activation of the timer, etc.. Rolex stepped up to fine tune a very complex movement to really perfect it to the caliber 4161. The Sky Dweller benefited from this 2nd gen YMII movement upgrade.

My current accuracy test are yielding a +1 second a day in any position I have rested it over night. Seems to keep perfect time on the wrist so I am smiling.:thumbsup: I have yet to do a power reserve test because I don’t want to take it off my wrist to do the test yet.:chuckle:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/jkxhrnv8sm...20AM.jpg?raw=1


“ Rolex says they spend over 35,000 to develop the in-house caliber 4161. It is comprised of over 360 parts. Out of those parts, Rolex says “some of them are made by UV-LiGA, a micromanufacturing technology entirely mastered in-house by Rolex. This technology allows the production of components whose tiny proportions or complex geometry rule out manufacturing by traditional machining methods.”

The caliber 4161 is equipped with Rolex’s own Parachrom hairspring. It is made from a niobium and zirconium alloy, resulting in a hairspring that is anti-magnetic and up to 10 time more resistant to shocks than traditional hairsprings. Rolex marketing brochures claim the 4161 has an accuracy of -2/+2 seconds per day. For this reason, they feel their watches surpass the requirements of a COSC certification, so in 2015 they made their own Superlative Chronometer certification which is issued once the movement has been cased. MSRP $18,750 usd”.

sgwatchguy 14 December 2020 08:58 AM

Congrats! Excellent review, thank you for the effort. As always, your pictures delight. Enjoy the new timepiece! :cheers:

redhead4rolex 14 December 2020 10:10 AM

Those are some great shots! Congratulations!

Mystro 14 December 2020 10:17 AM

I want to thank my forum brothers for all your kind words. It doesn’t get said enough that the members and their enthusiast participation is what makes TRF what it is. :cheers:

The photography was done with a Samsung Note 20 Ultra. Some watches can be difficult to get a decent pic but the YMII is a super model and has enough contrast and colors to showcase a real world look. I will have more pics to come with snow on its way here in the North East.

DoctorA 14 December 2020 10:28 AM

Beautiful!
I have to be honest, I always loved the YMII. Never got to buy one as I had other watches that came on the way
I love your pics snd you really got me now thinking I need to add one to the collection!
Enjoy in great health!

august1410 14 December 2020 10:34 AM

An excellent review of a watch that was never on my radar. I had always thought it to be a little busy or even ostentatious, but your review allowed me a second glance and more of an understanding of the watch. As others have said, your photos are top notch. I have a lot more respect and a bit more interest in a watch that previously had not garnered muc attention from me.

Goin2drt 14 December 2020 10:37 AM

Thanks for sharing and congrats. I also love this watch and never understood why it does not get more love. It is amazing and so beautiful looking.

Dr Process 14 December 2020 11:40 AM

Awesome. Have a soft spot for this reference. Congrats!

Mystro 14 December 2020 12:39 PM

We were not going on vacation this winter so it was a good time to make a purchase I have been thinking about for a long time now.

Mystro 14 December 2020 12:42 PM

Double.

1978 14 December 2020 01:00 PM

Thanks so much for this review! I love this complication, I’ve never considered the YM2 because it’s just too big for me to wear comfortably, but if it looks just right for you!

Ksporty 14 December 2020 01:13 PM

Great reference and great review. It’s not for everyone, but I love it.

macrowatch 14 December 2020 01:15 PM

Epic review. Thanks!

joli160 14 December 2020 01:37 PM

Mystro, do you perhaps know if there is any other difference than the hands between the first and second generation YMII ?

Bladeshot 14 December 2020 01:41 PM

Cheers! Great review and congrats!
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Boaters 14 December 2020 02:49 PM

Great review always such an enjoyable read. Always liked that reference and as always with your reviews have got me seriously considering it again. Your pictures as always are second to none. Big congrats and Happy Holidays to you and yours. :cheers:

DomM 14 December 2020 04:15 PM

I also own the same YM 2. I have several Rolex watches including Daytona, gmt2, sub. The YM2is my favorite watch of them all for many of the same reasons you mention. The fact it is less common and not liked by many just adds to its desire for me.

scombs263 14 December 2020 04:21 PM

Great post. Even better pictures. Well done.

18078pres 14 December 2020 08:15 PM

I like the reference, but the name on the bezel is it's achilles heel

tudk 14 December 2020 09:08 PM

Thankyou for such a wonderful post
:thumbsup:

Richris1 14 December 2020 09:14 PM

Congratulations!

Kostas 14 December 2020 09:36 PM

Very nice my friend, love the pics, big congrats!

selpo 14 December 2020 09:56 PM

Beautiful photos of a beautiful watch! Looks great on you, thank you for the review.

1William 14 December 2020 10:00 PM

Congratulations.

Mystro 14 December 2020 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by joli160 (Post 11128122)
Mystro, do you perhaps know if there is any other difference than the hands between the first and second generation YMII ?

The dial is also all new. It has white gold markers now instead of blue. They made the 12 marker a larger triangle shape and the 6 is a larger rectangle to distinguish the two.

Cru Jones 14 December 2020 11:29 PM

Great pics and posts, many thanks for sharing and for the time it took to do so!

Congrats on the new watch!

fnfiveseven 14 December 2020 11:34 PM

There was a thread about if there was a 40mm version of this, would people get it? How can you not want this watch after seeing these pictures?

Mystro 15 December 2020 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by fnfiveseven (Post 11128738)
There was a thread about if there was a 40mm version of this, would people get it? How can you not want this watch after seeing these pictures?

Here is a couple points I was hoping to get to but wanted to avoid it in the actual review:


I thought about this watch very seriously to buy for the past 6 months but it haunted me for a decade. It was always on the back of my mind.
The few times it came up on the forum, I praised and was always taken back. The YMII was never represented correctly or even exposed the right way on social media. The new Rolex buyers look to social media for info and general opinions. The info and exposure of the YMII was little to none. I hope to change this a little bit and give some valuable information from a actual owner and enthusiast perspective..

The LVC (Hulk) sat in a very similar position as nobody wanted a green Sub and dealers always had them sitting and collecting dust for the first 5 years of its introduction.

Here is the point I will have to make after 30 years of Rolex ownership.
Rolex owners are extremely conservative and resist change. They were not always like this in the 80’s and 90’s. Once “investment” became a factor to some, any change in a very conservative design could upset a predictable resale value. The irony is Rolex owners love to complain about not getting anything new or significant upgrades. It got to the point that a slight dial font change was newsworthy. Rolex is alway in a difficult position as they have the knowledge and artistic ability to design amazing new pieces but a certain segment of their own customer base has their hands tied. The Yach-Master II took so much heat initially because the movement was so advanced and it didnt look like a Sub or GMT. It made the old time conservatives too nervous as the movement and design were too complex and different from the same old Sub/GMT that has looked the same for almost 50 years. Even the LVC, which is nothing more than a “green Sub”, took heat for having the wrong color initially but look how things have progressed........

A new Rolex world:
Fast forward a decade and we are now at a place where Rolex owners are starting to get more sophisticated and are looking at what’s inside the watch as well as the brand name. AP, Patek, etc. are now mainstream brands even new watch enthusiast know. This is why I believe now is the time we will see watches like the YMII and now SkyDweller are coming into their own to showcase Rolex innovative movement technology. Sometimes you need to break out of your comfort zone to go next level and find a higher connection to a watch.
Rolex is more than what some may see as a status symbol, marketing machine with great resale value. Rolex as a watch and movement company NEEDS to be appreciated and recognized. I believe the birth of the Yacht-Master II was targeted to those that want more from Rolex. Rolex was just ahead of their time with its initial release. The YMII will never be for everyone but it’s great to see that its technical achievements and what it is about is recognized and understood better today and in its future.

nosignalbmwdriver 15 December 2020 02:26 AM

Amazing purchase! Well done getting the revised version! I'm looking at getting the TT 116681! Did you take this model into consideration??

samson66 15 December 2020 02:30 AM

One of my favorites! Congratulations!

Such a bold yet still elegant reference. The countdown timer is way cool

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Mystro 15 December 2020 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by nosignalbmwdriver (Post 11129055)
Amazing purchase! Well done getting the revised version! I'm looking at getting the TT 116681! Did you take this model into consideration??

I hate to spend other people’s money but.....Do it. There was a thread on the YMII TT last week for additional input.

I was personally looking for the monochromatic/blue look of the SS model as I was moving away from gold in my collection. I traded off my TT CHNR because the color hue wasn’t right for me personally.
I have to say the YMII in TT has to be the most impressive TT model I have ever seen. It is a total stunner with wrist presence off the charts. I owned the CHNR TT and wore a TT Bluesy as my daily for over 10 years and would get the YMII in TT if I was buying another TT model.

uscmatt99 15 December 2020 02:48 AM

Excellent write-up! Love to hear your opinions on these pieces as you get into the nitty-gritty on these pieces and are not swayed by status quo opinions that have already been rendered.

How is the YMII comfort-wise when compared to your Omega POC? I have an older variant than you (9300), but find it reasonably comfortable once I installed the adjustable clasp. I'm guessing the YMII is less top-heavy overall and sits significantly "less proudly". Glad you mentioned the chrono pushers, I didn't realize Rolex engineered it similarly to the POC where they can be depressed when submerged without danger to the watch.

Mystro 15 December 2020 03:08 AM

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Originally Posted by uscmatt99 (Post 11129105)
Excellent write-up! Love to hear your opinions on these pieces as you get into the nitty-gritty on these pieces and are not swayed by status quo opinions that have already been rendered.

How is the YMII comfort-wise when compared to your Omega POC? I have an older variant than you (9300), but find it reasonably comfortable once I installed the adjustable clasp. I'm guessing the YMII is less top-heavy overall and sits significantly "less proudly". Glad you mentioned the chrono pushers, I didn't realize Rolex engineered it similarly to the POC where they can be depressed when submerged without danger to the watch.

The POC is a beast. It is larger than my DSSD JC but I find it more comfortable than the DSSD but both of these are large alpha technical divers. The YMII is in a different class of comfort as it is balanced and truly feels closer to what a Sub or GMT would on the wrist which totally surprised me.

Not to get off topic but here is a size pic of the DSSD JC and POC and YMII. The dial to bezel ratio plays a big role in how large a watch looks.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/zw2wauzey0...20AM.jpg?raw=1
https://www.dropbox.com/s/1i7tc41w5i...20PM.jpg?raw=1

T01 15 December 2020 03:29 AM

Congrats! Stainless version is my favorite model in the YMII lineup. Great writeup as well! Enjoy!

jamesbondOO7 15 December 2020 03:40 AM

I like it a lot. Too big for me, but it has such a wealthy attitude, I love it!
A friend (former rugby player) has one and I always like seeing it.

nosignalbmwdriver 15 December 2020 03:41 AM

The bezel is filled with platinum on the stainless steel models???

nosignalbmwdriver 15 December 2020 03:46 AM

You're as cool as everyone i've met in the state college area :cheers:

The wrist presence is what I desire and the fact that it's not a popular model is another bonus. I really love the look and feel on my wrist when I went to go try it on a month ago!!

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Originally Posted by Mystro (Post 11129088)
I hate to spend other people’s money but.....Do it. There was a thread on the YMII TT last week for additional input.

I was personally looking for the monochromatic/blue look of the SS model as I was moving away from gold in my collection. I traded off my TT CHNR because the color hue wasn’t right for me personally.
I have to say the YMII in TT has to be the most impressive TT model I have ever seen. It is a total stunner with wrist presence off the charts. I owned the CHNR TT and wore a TT Bluesy as my daily for over 10 years and would get the YMII in TT if I was buying another TT model.


Mystro 15 December 2020 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by nosignalbmwdriver (Post 11129255)
You're as cool as everyone i've met in the state college area :cheers:

The wrist presence is what I desire and the fact that it's not a popular model is another bonus. I really love the look and feel on my wrist when I went to go try it on a month ago!!

Thanks so much. I am a watch spotter everywhere I go. I spend at least 2 weeks on Disney Property at the Grand Flo each winter (except this year:thumbsdow). I have seen about every interesting watch on a wrist in Orlando. I have even seen a 14 year old girl with a Prada back pack wear a SS Daytona on the monorail. I have yet to see any YMII in the wild. You just dont ever see them in the wild ..

gnuyork 15 December 2020 04:39 AM

Nice. I know the YMII doesn't get a lot of love, but I think it's awesome. I've tried on the yellow gold one (from somebody I met in the wild if you can believe it). Heavy chunk of a watch. Maybe a bit too big for my wrist, but I still love it.

ian.thomas 15 December 2020 04:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 18078pres (Post 11128493)
I like the reference, but the name on the bezel is it's achilles heel

Feel the same, but Mystro's review and pictures are making a strong argument to reverse that!

:cheers:


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