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TARDIS 14 March 2007 02:37 PM

Authentic Sub?
 
Hey Guys:

Examine the photo please...

Is an authentic Submariner?
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI....9758&rd=1&rd=1

Solo118 14 March 2007 02:41 PM

Looks kosher to me, But you can never be too careful
No box and no papers sound fishy to me, Especially being only a 1 year old watch.

JJ Irani 14 March 2007 02:43 PM

Hi Steve,

Well, for starters....he's certainly got the model number all wrong. He's got an extra 1 in front of the standard 16610.:thumbsdow

Secondly, what you see is not what you get. The watch looks genuine enough from the pics, but I've never bought off e-bay and NEVER will, so maybe wait for some other members to come along and give you some advice.

Good luck, pal - JJ :thumbsup:

roadcarver 14 March 2007 02:50 PM

Bezel pearl looks right, and I don't readily see the laser etched coronet. Most fakes can be seen easily. This may be legit BUT its hard to tell from photos.

If the seller is legit, he won't mind going / meeting up to an AD for verification.

He also does not mention the s/n series...

The edges of the hologram sticker looks jagged...

Gaijin 14 March 2007 02:55 PM

What gaurantee do you have that the watch in the picture is the one that you are going to be recieving? Baaaaah...

TARDIS 14 March 2007 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani (Post 192558)
Hi Steve,

Well, for starters....he's certainly got the model number all wrong. He's got an extra 1 in front of the standard 16610.:thumbsdow

Secondly, what you see is not what you get. The watch looks genuine enough from the pics, but I've never bought off e-bay and NEVER will, so maybe wait for some other members to come along and give you some advice.

Good luck, pal - JJ :thumbsup:

Hey JJ I wasn't looking to buy, just surfing.:agree:

I just thought it might be worthwhile to post the link. I believe we should endeavour to keep abreast of the 'Replicators' to assist some of our members who are thinking of buying a pre-owned Rollie. I am always on a learing curve myself with being able to spot fakes. There are some dudes here who are very good at that. One day someone is going to show me a Rolex they might want to buy and ask me if it's Kosher. I would want to give them a reasonable estimation and if I wasn't 100% sure tell them to go to a watchmaker so he can take off the caseback and examine the movement.

I agree eBay can be full of pitfalls. As you point out it may not be a WYSIWYG auction!

One has to trust the seller above all. I have never heard of these people AUSKEY TRADING, who are an Australian outlet, maybe someone else has.

Steve

pcarson 14 March 2007 03:16 PM

Auskey are primarily into coins. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the nice folk at Auskey really do think this is genuine, but the "private importer" didn't think to "privately import" the box and papers. Not a chance. This is going to be, at best, a good street job and maybe a II/III counterfeit, but Auskey wouldn't know a genuine Rolex for all the tea in China. Of course you woudn't want to be the second guy fooled by this passable fake.

TARDIS 14 March 2007 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcarson (Post 192573)
Auskey are primarily into coins. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the nice folk at Auskey really do think this is genuine, but the "private importer" didn't think to "privately import" the box and papers. Not a chance. This is going to be, at best, a good street job and maybe a II/III counterfeit, but Auskey wouldn't know a genuine Rolex for all the tea in China. Of course you woudn't want to be the second guy fooled by this passable fake.

Too Right mate!

diablojota 14 March 2007 03:33 PM

Fake. Look at how the crown sits. Doesn't look right. Also, the hologram seems a bit off.

mikey 14 March 2007 04:24 PM

I give you some advice. Go to places maybe a pawnshop that specializes in selling Rolex and these places have Sub and Datejusts like Snickers Candy Bars. You need to do some research and check them out before shelving big bucks on some angled pics from that link.

Alex Stylianou 14 March 2007 04:29 PM

Look's Like A Fake To Me. Somehow I can just sort of tell a real by a fake

amanda 14 March 2007 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcarson (Post 192573)
Auskey are primarily into coins. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that the nice folk at Auskey really do think this is genuine, but the "private importer" didn't think to "privately import" the box and papers. Not a chance. This is going to be, at best, a good street job and maybe a II/III counterfeit, but Auskey wouldn't know a genuine Rolex for all the tea in China. Of course you woudn't want to be the second guy fooled by this passable fake.

Yes but at the same time.... not everyone that buys a Rolex is an enthusiast and therefore may not hold any value on what the box may mean in a future sale of the item. Prior to ebay I never kept the box to anything I bought.. I now do as I know that an item for sale is much more valuable if it comes with everything you got from the original sale.

pcarson 14 March 2007 05:19 PM

Good point, Amanda. The only thing that makes me worry about the box and papers is that the person who wore it through customs didn't think to bring the box and papers, or send it after himself by post. If you are a "private importer" you're going to keep the box. The discordance between description behaviour is what made me twitch, rather than just the innocent act of box jettisoning, of which I am an avid practitioner!

cbrenthus 15 March 2007 12:02 AM

I would also think that the lack of box and papers could possibly mean its stolen!

Erix 15 March 2007 12:25 AM

I'm not sure about the exchange rate. :thinking:
But if the Australian currency is close to the US $ or the Euro, then I would say this is cheap..actually to cheap to be true...who would sell a one year old Sub Date for less then 10% of the original price?

I would not touch this one...I say, either stolen or fake.


:cheers:
Erik

WERNERTURNER 15 March 2007 05:35 AM

Stay Away From That...why No Papers?? Go To An Ad!!

Tommer 15 March 2007 06:58 AM

pic doesn't mean jack...need to see and feel the product yourself

^fai^ 15 March 2007 10:10 AM

over here if i'm to purchase a pre-owned rolex. we will normally meet at RSC to verify for the authenticity of the watch. the verification fee is about SGD$75. since i'm paying a bomb for the watch, i don't mind paying an additional of 75. this would at least peace my mind for the purchase.

Blue Bull 15 March 2007 01:46 PM

Steve,Mate,do like this Japie does .... brand new and AD only, at less 25-28% discount,on a thick wad of cash ... :thumbsup:

TARDIS 15 March 2007 04:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blue Bull (Post 193015)
Steve,Mate,do like this Japie does .... brand new and AD only, at less 25-28% discount,on a thick wad of cash ... :thumbsup:

Blo Bull, n groot wad van kontant is essensiel!:thumbsup:

Obsession 16 March 2007 02:00 AM

Fake! when looked from left or right the teeth of the rotating bezel should look shinining, not brushed and little bit dark as in the photo.

TARDIS 16 March 2007 05:01 PM

There's a lot of bidders out there that think this watch is genuine. See the $ it's climbing to!

pcarson 16 March 2007 05:10 PM

It's currently in the owe-zone, which is the price you can pay and if it's a Swiss fake, it won't owe you too much when you flip it. Too much higher, and you get into the bozone i.e. the price a clown will pay for a fake while thinking it's genuine. The distinction is a fine one.

TARDIS 16 March 2007 05:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pcarson (Post 193716)
It's currently in the owe-zone, which is the price you can pay and if it's a Swiss fake, it won't owe you too much when you flip it. Too much higher, and you get into the bozone i.e. the price a clown will pay for a fake while thinking it's genuine. The distinction is a fine one.


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Gaijin 16 March 2007 05:18 PM

From what I can see of the hologram it too looks fake. Interesting how they attempted to cover it with the bracelet as much as possible.

pcarson 16 March 2007 05:37 PM

I don't want to discourage any learned horological discourse. Far from it. This is, after all, a watch forum. And there may be merit in speculating on the fine detail in the pictures, if they are pictures of the watch you'll get. I just can't get past the "private importer" who managed to "import" this nice watch.

I can't stop myself smiling with the image of him as he gets home, pats his trousers and says "Oh drat! What sort of a private importer am I? I seem to have forgotten the box and papers for this Swiss watch. What a duffer I am! I suppose it's off to eBay for me, and not the exclusive private importers'...place where private importers go to sell their...private imports..."

I reckon the pictures are just for fun; if you can see through the tears of laughter after reading the description and you still want pictures, then they are your reward!


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