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Orchi · 27 February 2012, 12:03 AM

Err Buddies...

So far in 2011 n 2012...the internet heard the following...
"official" n "unofficial"...information from Rolex Geneva...
via a "Deep Throats"...so to speak...

"Official" information would imply...

1. Underline on Dial has no relation to the luminous on Rolex Dials...

...the adequate service checked in their archives that they were producing and selling Tritium dials and hands well before the questioned period with no underline. So clearly not transition sign...

"Unofficial" information would imply...

2. Underline on Dial has complete opposite or contrary meaning...

The answer was given to me UNOFFICIALLY by one person from Rolex Geneva (on the contrary of the officially "authorized" answer) and that person did not wish the answer to be published as it was "HIS" answer and not "ROLEX" answer. I just shared my finding with Marcello Pisani who found (as far as I understood) the answer logical...

"Deep Throat A" response would hint...

3. There is more in a Dial than the luminous on Dial...

It has nothing to do with radium/Tritium switch and I will add
nothing to do with lume material in general.
Now, the "UNOFFICIAL" answer given and that can not be posted is going
in a TOTALLY different direction concerning the dial, so FORGET any
lume content as that direction is a DEAD END.
The answer is TOTALLY different and somewhere else concerning the dial.
Geiger are way out of the picture from the begining of the story.
I dont understang guys why you concentrate since the start on the lume
material, a dial is made of so many things...

"Deep Throat B" rumour would imply...

4. Underline on Dial was for purpose of Canadian market...

As an internet reader...
Orchi would offer these opinions n suggest the additional questions...
about the information or implication from the above...
like these...

Item 1.

Before the timeline of 1964 or even before 1963...
there was no requirement for Rolex or its Dial makers to mark anything else on the Dials
where Tritium was admittedly used(admitted by...
the "adequate service checks of Rolex archive"...

Question A: But when or which year did Rolex or its Dial makers started to use Tritium...?

Question B: Does Rolex or its Dial makers know from their service archive...
which was the supplier or suppliers of the Luminous paint used...
before or after 1963/64...?

Item 2 n 3:

IF there was more about the Underline Dial between 1963 n 1964...than the Luminous paint was used on the Dials...

Assuming that the Underline Dials were only available in the specific markets...

Question C: What could it be SO SPECIAL or unique about the Underline marked Dials...that the rest of the world markets cannot afford to obtain from Rolex...outside of North America...
United Kingdom...n Central America + Latin America...?

Question D: Were all the Underline Dials made separately outside of SWISS...
in UK...or North America or Central America or Latin America...for these specific markets?

Question E: Were all the Underline Dials made by a certain Dial maker ONLY? Like Stern or Singer or Lemrich or Beyeler or Metelem or ZJ...?
Then why can't these Dials be available for watches shipped to the rest of the world markets...?

Question F: What is so Special or Unique about these Underline Dials...?
Were the Underline Dials made with special metal...?
or precious metal plate or Anti-magnetic property...?
(But why can't the rest of the world markets cannot afford to obtain the Underline Dials?)

Item 4:

IF the Underline was intended for Canadian Market only...
This information may be wrong or may not be complete...
as the Underline Dial watches were originally sold in United Kingdom...
USA...n the Latin America as well...(like Serpico Y Laino Rolex)

Question G: What could be so special on these Underline dials that the Canadian market had ordered in the past for...?

Might be that the rest of the world markets were too small or 2nd Class...
because it cannot afford to obtain Underline Dials from Rolex also...?

Question H: Was the Import Tax higher in Canada or anywhere in North America or United Kingdom or Central America or in Latin America...?

Question I: Other countries in the world might impose higher import tax on watches also...
like Japan during the same period of time...(to protect their own watchmaking industry there too)
Did Japan also order...Rolex watches with Underline Dials...?

Therefore...at this point in time...
Orchi wonders whether the above questions could ever find any ACTUAL facts n answers...
either "OFFICIALLY" or "UNOFFICIALLY" via the various "Deep Throats"...from Rolex
Geneva...or not.

So far may be Orchi is dead wrong...
but the available information or answers from Rolex Geneva...
do not sound logical or sensible...
for Orchi that is...

Others may think differently...n have their own mind about the Rolex Underline Dials...

27 February 2012, 12:03 AM	#8
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err Buddies... So far in 2011 n 2012...the internet heard the following... "official" n "unofficial"...information from Rolex Geneva... via a "Deep Throats"...so to speak... "Official" information would imply... 1. Underline on Dial has no relation to the luminous on Rolex Dials... ...the adequate service checked in their archives that they were producing and selling Tritium dials and hands well before the questioned period with no underline. So clearly not transition sign... "Unofficial" information would imply... 2. Underline on Dial has complete opposite or contrary meaning... The answer was given to me UNOFFICIALLY by one person from Rolex Geneva (on the contrary of the officially "authorized" answer) and that person did not wish the answer to be published as it was "HIS" answer and not "ROLEX" answer. I just shared my finding with Marcello Pisani who found (as far as I understood) the answer logical... "Deep Throat A" response would hint... 3. There is more in a Dial than the luminous on Dial... It has nothing to do with radium/Tritium switch and I will add nothing to do with lume material in general. Now, the "UNOFFICIAL" answer given and that can not be posted is going in a TOTALLY different direction concerning the dial, so FORGET any lume content as that direction is a DEAD END. The answer is TOTALLY different and somewhere else concerning the dial. Geiger are way out of the picture from the begining of the story. I dont understang guys why you concentrate since the start on the lume material, a dial is made of so many things... "Deep Throat B" rumour would imply... 4. Underline on Dial was for purpose of Canadian market... As an internet reader... Orchi would offer these opinions n suggest the additional questions... about the information or implication from the above... like these... Item 1. Before the timeline of 1964 or even before 1963... there was no requirement for Rolex or its Dial makers to mark anything else on the Dials where Tritium was admittedly used(admitted by... the "adequate service checks of Rolex archive"... Question A: But when or which year did Rolex or its Dial makers started to use Tritium...? Question B: Does Rolex or its Dial makers know from their service archive... which was the supplier or suppliers of the Luminous paint used... before or after 1963/64...? Item 2 n 3: IF there was more about the Underline Dial between 1963 n 1964...than the Luminous paint was used on the Dials... Assuming that the Underline Dials were only available in the specific markets... Question C: What could it be SO SPECIAL or unique about the Underline marked Dials...that the rest of the world markets cannot afford to obtain from Rolex...outside of North America... United Kingdom...n Central America + Latin America...? Question D: Were all the Underline Dials made separately outside of SWISS... in UK...or North America or Central America or Latin America...for these specific markets? Question E: Were all the Underline Dials made by a certain Dial maker ONLY? Like Stern or Singer or Lemrich or Beyeler or Metelem or ZJ...? Then why can't these Dials be available for watches shipped to the rest of the world markets...? Question F: What is so Special or Unique about these Underline Dials...? Were the Underline Dials made with special metal...? or precious metal plate or Anti-magnetic property...? (But why can't the rest of the world markets cannot afford to obtain the Underline Dials?) Item 4: IF the Underline was intended for Canadian Market only... This information may be wrong or may not be complete... as the Underline Dial watches were originally sold in United Kingdom... USA...n the Latin America as well...(like Serpico Y Laino Rolex) Question G: What could be so special on these Underline dials that the Canadian market had ordered in the past for...? Might be that the rest of the world markets were too small or 2nd Class... because it cannot afford to obtain Underline Dials from Rolex also...? Question H: Was the Import Tax higher in Canada or anywhere in North America or United Kingdom or Central America or in Latin America...? Question I: Other countries in the world might impose higher import tax on watches also... like Japan during the same period of time...(to protect their own watchmaking industry there too) Did Japan also order...Rolex watches with Underline Dials...? Therefore...at this point in time... Orchi wonders whether the above questions could ever find any ACTUAL facts n answers... either "OFFICIALLY" or "UNOFFICIALLY" via the various "Deep Throats"...from Rolex Geneva...or not. So far may be Orchi is dead wrong... but the available information or answers from Rolex Geneva... do not sound logical or sensible... for Orchi that is... Others may think differently...n have their own mind about the Rolex Underline Dials...