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BrooklynsBestest · 24 December 2011, 05:53 PM

I am not making any allegations about the authenticity of this dial (or others that may be posted on Ebay) but while trolling around for something completely different (and cheap), curiosity got the best of me and I did a search for Sea Dwellers... JUST to see what was out there.

I came across this listing:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-SEADWE...ht_1205wt_1114

It's for a Sea Dweller Double Red dial. $125 (US).

Admittedly, my knowledge of the Rolex world is limited. The one thing I do know is that 'regular' Sea Dwellers aren't cheap and Comex or Double Red Sea Dwellers, being classified as rare -- definitely aren't cheap! So I wonder how a lone dial ends up for sale on Ebay if these watches are generally so coveted to collectors.

Is it common to see Double Red dials for sale? Are these legitimate? If so, why aren't more SD collectors jumping on sales like these? Is there any way to determine the age/authenticity of dials like this - especially if it winds up on a watch that someone has purchased later - without knowing the dial came from a non AD seller on a site like Ebay? Does a dial like this affect the value of the watch? Is there a market for Double Red dials or fakes?

Just curious. Thanks, in advance, if anyone has time to answer.
- BB

P.S.
Apologies if this shouldn't be posted in the WATCH OUT section.

Orchi · 25 December 2011, 12:18 AM

Err Buddy...warm greetings n welcome to TRF WatchOut forum...

The "DRSD" Dial prints n the Dial plate is complete FAKEEE...

You should lodge a report with eBay...on the ground of Misinterpretation .

Here's wishing a Very Merry Christmas n Happy New Year 2012 to all TRF's WatchOut Buddies...

springer · 25 December 2011, 02:44 AM

The seller states the dial was restored. This usually means that the dial was an original dial which was refinished - therefore the dial face is not original. The only way to tell if the dial is original Rolex is from the marking on the reverse side of the dial, which I fail to see.

There are many counterfeit dials being produced and sold on ebay to unsuspecting buyers. If this dial is original Rolex, it would be worth several thousand dollars, so it is easy to understand why they are being counterfeited.

BrooklynsBestest · 25 December 2011, 08:46 AM

Thanks, Guys. Happy Hols!

MoBe · 25 December 2011, 12:16 PM

You obviously don`t believe that a rare and original double red dial can be bought for $125,refinished or not and you are right.

I think you have a better chance of winning the lottery than finding one of these dials without a watch attached to it.

Goiguidoc · 25 December 2011, 08:06 PM

This seller tried to sell fake Paul Newman dials the past.

I would also stay away.

Happy Holiday Season!

dysondiver · 25 December 2011, 08:42 PM

to be fair , ive seen a lot worse ,,, and thats not meant as a defence.

24 December 2011, 05:53 PM	#1
BrooklynsBestest "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: C.C. Location: Qatar Watch: My SD! Posts: 24	Double Red dials on Ebay - info please I am not making any allegations about the authenticity of this dial (or others that may be posted on Ebay) but while trolling around for something completely different (and cheap), curiosity got the best of me and I did a search for Sea Dwellers... JUST to see what was out there. I came across this listing: http://www.ebay.com/itm/ROLEX-SEADWE...ht_1205wt_1114 It's for a Sea Dweller Double Red dial. $125 (US). Admittedly, my knowledge of the Rolex world is limited. The one thing I do know is that 'regular' Sea Dwellers aren't cheap and Comex or Double Red Sea Dwellers, being classified as rare -- definitely aren't cheap! So I wonder how a lone dial ends up for sale on Ebay if these watches are generally so coveted to collectors. Is it common to see Double Red dials for sale? Are these legitimate? If so, why aren't more SD collectors jumping on sales like these? Is there any way to determine the age/authenticity of dials like this - especially if it winds up on a watch that someone has purchased later - without knowing the dial came from a non AD seller on a site like Ebay? Does a dial like this affect the value of the watch? Is there a market for Double Red dials or fakes? Just curious. Thanks, in advance, if anyone has time to answer. - BB P.S. Apologies if this shouldn't be posted in the WATCH OUT section.

25 December 2011, 02:44 AM	#3
springer 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Real Name: jP Location: Texas Watch: GMT-MASTER Posts: 17,230	The seller states the dial was restored. This usually means that the dial was an original dial which was refinished - therefore the dial face is not original. The only way to tell if the dial is original Rolex is from the marking on the reverse side of the dial, which I fail to see. There are many counterfeit dials being produced and sold on ebay to unsuspecting buyers. If this dial is original Rolex, it would be worth several thousand dollars, so it is easy to understand why they are being counterfeited. __________________ Member of NAWCC since 1990. INSTAGRAM USER NAME: SPRINGERJFP Visit my Instagram page to view some of the finest vintage GMTs anywhere - as well as other vintage classics.

25 December 2011, 12:18 AM	#2
Orchi Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Malaysia Posts: 2,934	Err Buddy...warm greetings n welcome to TRF WatchOut forum... The "DRSD" Dial prints n the Dial plate is complete FAKEEE... You should lodge a report with eBay...on the ground of Misinterpretation . Here's wishing a Very Merry Christmas n Happy New Year 2012 to all TRF's WatchOut Buddies...

25 December 2011, 08:46 AM	#4
BrooklynsBestest "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2011 Real Name: C.C. Location: Qatar Watch: My SD! Posts: 24	Thanks, Guys. Happy Hols!

25 December 2011, 12:16 PM	#5
MoBe "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Canada Posts: 6,773	You obviously don`t believe that a rare and original double red dial can be bought for $125,refinished or not and you are right. I think you have a better chance of winning the lottery than finding one of these dials without a watch attached to it.

25 December 2011, 08:06 PM	#6
Goiguidoc "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2010 Real Name: Greg Location: Europe Watch: Rolex vintage Posts: 1,062	This seller tried to sell fake Paul Newman dials the past. I would also stay away. Happy Holiday Season!

25 December 2011, 08:42 PM	#7
dysondiver "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2010 Real Name: tom Location: northern ireland Watch: my fins Posts: 10,063	to be fair , ive seen a lot worse ,,, and thats not meant as a defence.

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