Daytona SS allocations

[jujak]

Anyone know how crazy the wait lists are for ss daytona's are nowdays?
I recently purchased a YG rolex from a AD in los Angeles and was put on the wait list for a daytona ss. Anyone have any info on what is a realistic wait time is? Any info would be appreciated.

[joli160]

The most sought after Rolex, it may take years

[SS Oyster]

I waited 13 years (original request was 116520 white) until just getting 116500 white dial in November. Had I waited five more months, I would have skipped two generations.

The black was 4-1/2 years with an incredible relationship.


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[bp1000]

probably between 4 and 6 years.

[EEpro]

Varies wildly. For my AD it's more about length of relationship and breadth of collection so for me it was:

3 years for 116509
4 years for 116500

[Harry-57]

It depends on you, the AD and your relationship with hem. If you don't have the kind of relationship with your AD where you can ask them for a ballpark number, the only possible answer to your question is "unknown". Everybody else will just be guessing.

[lamnyc]

It’s all about relationships with AD. There’s no wait list.

[JSol1]

Originally Posted by Harry-57

It depends on you, the AD and your relationship with hem. If you don't have the kind of relationship with your AD where you can ask them for a ballpark number, the only possible answer to your question is "unknown". Everybody else will just be guessing.

This+
I mentioned being willing to wait when I asked about the white in the summer of 2021. Was offered one in December of that year. Was completely floored. After wearing it for 3 months, I asked for the Black whenever and was offered one in August of last year.
I know I’m very fortunate and contrary to what some claim I haven’t bought anything I didn’t want and I’m just an average watch collector, but do do have a very sincere relationship with AD and SA…So yes it very much depends…

[harvey]

…unfortunately for me I will never have the AD spend to be ever considered for a Daytona. however I am happy that I have been able to buy the other references that I had on my wish list.

[Tim Plains]

I believe this is the universal formula for SS Daytona wait lists.

> spending
< time

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by JSol1

...do have a very sincere relationship with AD and SA…So yes it very much depends…

This matters more than money in my opinion.

Sure there are some minimum spend requirements but they aren't what people think.

[TheWatchmen]

If you’re a new customer, you’re not getting one.

I hope you prove me wrong.

[Mystro]

Decade+ for even good customers say my AD. I always go trusted seller anyway.

[Robf52]

Originally Posted by lamnyc

It’s all about relationships with AD. There’s no wait list.

....but there is a pecking order.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Robf52

....but there is a pecking order.

Overseas grey dealers who are listed under 100+ fake names to obscure their identity in the record books get first dibs for sure.

[Beto737]

Honestly, if the AD says anything more than four years without solid explanations as to why, you’re probably not getting the watch. I think they give those ridiculous times as a nice way of saying “no.”

That being said, if you’re a true player at your AD, two to three years is not at all uncommon. How do you know if you’re a true player? Spend history and your SA liking you A-LOT, plain and simple.

[BJHofkin]

What I'm about to write probably sounds hopelessly naive, but here goes.

From my admittedly limited experience (I really only have a relationship with a single AD at this point), I think the two most important factors are as follows:

- Earnestness as a collector/watch lover. This of course includes things like 1) length of relationship and 2) sheer $ quantity of purchase history – but it's more than those. Do you LOVE the watches you've bought from your AD and show your appreciation for them? Do you generally hang onto them? Do you celebrate them and talk about them with your salesman? Things like that.

- Being a good guy! This is trite, and it's related to the first point – but it's also its own thing. Talk with your salesman/salesmen. Talk watches with them. Talk OTHER things with them. Ask about their families. Joke around with them! If you're in the area and have a few minutes, go in and just shoot the sh-t with them WITHOUT any agenda. Have a favorite local food? Bring them some! Just be a decent human being. Make the relationship more than transactional.

Obviously at the end of the day the AD's have cold, hard business considerations to keep in mind too – but at the margin, the way they think about you (based largely on how you treat them!) really matters. Should be obvious – but it seems like it often gets lost.

These factors matter MUCH more than raw time on some list that may or may not actually exist for a piece like the Daytona.

One other thing:

All else equal, find an AD with a preowned program. You can then use less-in-demand pieces you buy as trade chips toward more-in-demand pieces. Obviously there's a cost here – but it's still MUCH less than paying secondary market prices on an SS Daytona.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by JSol1

I know I’m very fortunate and contrary to what some claim I haven’t bought anything I didn’t want and I’m just an average watch collector, but do do have a very sincere relationship with AD and SA…So yes it very much depends…

Same. Our relationship is long standing with the store as opposed to the brand. We were on first name terms for years before I asked to look at a Rolex. Not big spenders by any stretch but I suppose it accumulates over time and some good will may accompany it if everybody gets along well.

This is helped by the fact it's a small/medium, one shop, family owned independent with a low staff turnover. How I would fare at a big chain outlet is unknown. We have a good relationship with our local Goldsmiths (W.O.S.) and they've never behaved unprofessionally, although they don't cary Rolex in our City.

[SLWoodster]

The last one only works at very select ADs. It works more for porsche or ferrari allocations.

For you in MN, I'm guessing it works at Wixon's?

Originally Posted by BJHofkin

What I'm about to write probably sounds hopelessly naive, but here goes.

From my admittedly limited experience (I really only have a relationship with a single AD at this point), I think the two most important factors are as follows:

- Earnestness as a collector/watch lover. This of course includes things like 1) length of relationship and 2) sheer $ quantity of purchase history – but it's more than those. Do you LOVE the watches you've bought from your AD and show your appreciation for them? Do you generally hang onto them? Do you celebrate them and talk about them with your salesman? Things like that.

- Being a good guy! This is trite, and it's related to the first point – but it's also its own thing. Talk with your salesman/salesmen. Talk watches with them. Talk OTHER things with them. Ask about their families. Joke around with them! If you're in the area and have a few minutes, go in and just shoot the sh-t with them WITHOUT any agenda. Have a favorite local food? Bring them some! Just be a decent human being. Make the relationship more than transactional.

Obviously at the end of the day the AD's have cold, hard business considerations to keep in mind too – but at the margin, the way they think about you (based largely on how you treat them!) really matters. Should be obvious – but it seems like it often gets lost.

These factors matter MUCH more than raw time on some list that may or may not actually exist for a piece like the Daytona.

One other thing:

All else equal, find an AD with a preowned program. You can then use less-in-demand pieces you buy as trade chips toward more-in-demand pieces. Obviously there's a cost here – but it's still MUCH less than paying secondary market prices on an SS Daytona.

[sj24k]

Depends on who you are, who you know, and the quality of your relationship with the AD or SA. But typically among the hardest Rolex references to obtain at retail.

Many choose to pay market price to a trusted reseller for the instant gratification. But that’s obviously a highly personal decision and the subject of a few thousand other threads.

Good luck.


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[Greenwood_]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Varies wildly. For my AD it's more about length of relationship and breadth of collection so for me it was:

3 years for 116509
4 years for 116500

That WG meteorite is next level.

[envuks]

I waited for ~60 days when I requested my 116500 back in 2018.

I’m two years into waiting for a 116519 from the same AD. The one that got away as I don’t feel the desire for the new updated model.


My point is that no two people will have the same wait for the same watch. It’s all very arbitrary and random.


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[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Greenwood_

That WG meteorite is next level.

Thank you. It is very special indeed.

[BJHofkin]

Originally Posted by SLWoodster

The last one only works at very select ADs. It works more for porsche or ferrari allocations.

For you in MN, I'm guessing it works at Wixon's?

Why wouldn't it be viable at any non-big-chain AD with a pre-owned program?

It's more or less the same logic as for bundling in general, no?

[rlx123]

I Spent about $70k and sold back 3 rolex to same AD at around retail which they turned around and made about $12k profits on them……I am still waiting for ss white Daytona. To give my AD credit, they did sell me my pepsi and hulk and sub at msrp and some other watches as well. Still waiting two years so far.


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[123Blueface]

I waited a little over a year for the white and around six months for the black.

[Chester01]

There is no list. After a few deals (back in the early 2010's) I was told there was a 116520 in the safe. Then when the ceramic Daytona came out, I was called and told a black dial was in and mine if I wanted it. I declined. Now that may sound easy, but that was after 14 years of trying to get a SS daytona. Best I can tell, there is and never was any waitlist. They keep them in the bast and use them to reward customers. Simple as that.

Now however you have good customers and the gray market so less for anyone else at the trough.

[mulberry083]

Agree on the above post. I was in my AD about six months ago and they let me try on a Panda. I was told it was intended for a customer that was trading in a piece that I assume the AD could make a decent profit on.


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[londonpilgrim]

got the black in 6 months, the white in 9

[DoctorsOrders]

I just hope I get offered the white sometime soon, I've been waiting over 2 years now.