Need help with valuation of 1970's 18k Rolex Cellini King Faisal

[rwaters]

Hi all. Without getting into a lot of detail, I am the owner of a what I believe to be a very rare 1970's Rolex Cellini gifted to my father by King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. The extremely unfortunate situation that I am currently dealing with is that the watch has been liberated from my possession, and I need to determine an approximate valuation before I decide my next course of action.

I do not have photos of the watch, and the only documentation in my possession is a service order from Rolex in Toronto, ON when I submitted the watch for general service and to have a cracked crystal replaced in 2004.

The watch is rectangular in shape and bears the seal of the Saudi royal family as well as King Faisals signature in 18k gold on the face. I have seen photos of another Cellini on this site which is round and bears the same markings as the one I had, but not in 18k gold, and as I said earlier, mine is rectangular, not round.

Any help in identifying the watch, establishing an approximate value or any guidance to an expert in the field who might be able to help me would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

[MonBK]

What is the model # ?

[MonBK]

I would love to help you identify your watch so I'm asking again : What is the model/ref. # ?

[rwaters]

The documentation I have says:

Model: Cellini, Manual Wind, 18k Yellow Gold 3834/8

[MonBK]

A ref # 3834 should look like this: http://jewelry.ha.com/c/item.zx?saleNo=5028&lotNo=61078

[MonBK]

Here's another one: http://catalog.antiquorum.com/catalo...&auctionid=250

[rwaters]

well, Im afraid it looks nothing like like particular image. The number is identified in the document as the 'case number'.

I also have the serial number of the watch which i will register in the police report i need to make tomorrow, would that help identify it?

Thank you so very much for your expert help.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by rwaters

well, Im afraid it looks nothing like like particular image. The number is identified in the document as the 'case number'.

I also have the serial number of the watch which i will register in the police report i need to make tomorrow, would that help identify it?

Thank you so very much for your expert help.

I understand it doesn't look like that since you said it is square but you gave the # as ref when I asked?

[rwaters]

apologies if I confused the issue. There isn't a model number listed, only the case number and serial number.

Again I thank you very much for your help.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by rwaters

apologies if I confused the issue. There isn't a model number listed, only the case number and serial number.

Again I thank you very much for your help.

Are you saying that there is no model/ref # on your service order from Rolex Toronto?

[rwaters]

The service order form lists the following in exactly this way:

Case no.: 3834/8 Serial no.: 2865xxx
Model: Cellini, manual wind, 18kt. yellow Gold
Bracelet: Non Rolex 18kt. yellow gold mesh bracelet
Dial: Silver

I have omitted the last three serial numbers because I am not at all sure if its safe to post that number on a public thread.

[MonBK]

Hmm, the serial # indicates a much later production than 1970?

[rwaters]

The write up on the service order from Toronto says that the watch was 32 years old (in May, 2003) which would put it at production in 1971.

My father passed away in 1976, and he had owned the watch for several years by that time, so the date of 1971 would seem to be pretty accurate.

[rwaters]

Would anyone know if Rolex in Toronto would keep photographic records of the watches put in for service with them?

[GradyPhilpott]

Would this be it?

I suggest that you google "Rolex Cellini" or variations thereof and see if you can identify it.

Google Search

http://www.liveauctioneers.com/item/7491111

[rwaters]

No Grady thats not it, although it is similar. Mine is 18k and more rectangular in shape. I've been googling for weeks to try ands find it, but i think it is so extremely rare that it will be a complete miracle to find another like it online.

Thank you

[hsfrank]

How about this...........
http://www.ebay.com/itm/18K-Rolex-pi...ht_1007wt_1398

[Andad]

Now that looks like the one.

[hsfrank]

I don't wish to start a flame war but the original writer of Need help with valuation of 1970's 18k Rolex Cellini King Faisal claims to have googled without success this watch. I googled King Faisel & Rolex and the two top hits involved the watch. See my post for the first. The second was on a replica watch site with the same wording as on ebay. I reported it to ebay. My concern is that OP might bee misleading us.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by hsfrank

I don't wish to start a flame war but the original writer of Need help with valuation of 1970's 18k Rolex Cellini King Faisal claims to have googled without success this watch. I googled King Faisel & Rolex and the two top hits involved the watch. See my post for the first. The second was on a replica watch site with the same wording as on ebay. I reported it to ebay. My concern is that OP might bee misleading us.

No kidding.

I gave up when he posted this: The write up on the service order from Toronto says that the watch was 32 years old

[rwaters]

I do appreciate your help gentlemen, but I do not appreciate your slights against my character.

Why would I want in any way to mislead you? I have no agenda or alterior motive, nor did I wish to take the time of anyone who wasn't willing to freely give it.

I was simply looking for some assistance in what I had thought to be a reputable source for information on the Rolex brand. I will seek the information I am looking for elsewhere, as I absolutely refuse to engage in this type of schoolyard antics with anyone.

To anyone else who may happen upon this thread with any type of inclination to assist, I thank you, but please do not put your energy into a response as I will not return to the forum following this final comment. I am certain that I will be more successful dealing with professionals, who will behave as such.

Good day gentlemen, best of luck in all your future endeavours.

[Gaijin]

Ibtl!

[rajurama]

No need to stress here buddy the monetary value is not so much for a cellini watch anyways. Yes the sentimental value of it is priceless so I hope you get the actual watch back. So as such wont be any financial gain on the insurance.

[dysondiver]

strange thread that one.

[ArcticMoose]

Originally Posted by rwaters

I am certain that I will be more successful dealing with professionals, who will behave as such.

Right-e-o, good luck!

[MoBe]

This thread sure went to hell in a hurry.Maybe we could have actually learned something about a King Faisal signed Rolex here if there had been a little more patience brought to bear.

[hsfrank]

I am always suspicious when someone takes a tactfully written or spoken remark as questioning his character. There were some concerns with his post. The OP could have scanned or photos his Rolex receipt to allay any concerns as to authenticity. A prompt acknowledgement would have been issued.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by hsfrank

I am always suspicious when someone takes a tactfully written or spoken remark as questioning his character. There were some concerns with his post. The OP could have scanned or photos his Rolex receipt to allay any concerns as to authenticity. A prompt acknowledgement would have been issued.

I tried but gave up on "dragging" info out of him.

[azguy]

Hasta luego

[Abdul_zw]

Originally Posted by rwaters

Hi all. Without getting into a lot of detail, I am the owner of a what I believe to be a very rare 1970's Rolex Cellini gifted to my father by King Faisal of Saudi Arabia. The extremely unfortunate situation that I am currently dealing with is that the watch has been liberated from my possession, and I need to determine an approximate valuation before I decide my next course of action.

I do not have photos of the watch, and the only documentation in my possession is a service order from Rolex in Toronto, ON when I submitted the watch for general service and to have a cracked crystal replaced in 2004.

The watch is rectangular in shape and bears the seal of the Saudi royal family as well as King Faisals signature in 18k gold on the face. I have seen photos of another Cellini on this site which is round and bears the same markings as the one I had, but not in 18k gold, and as I said earlier, mine is rectangular, not round.

Any help in identifying the watch, establishing an approximate value or any guidance to an expert in the field who might be able to help me would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

Dear rwaters,

The watch you are talking about is usually gifted by one of the kings depending on whos name it has on it, I had one from King Fahad may he RIP. it's price range won't go more than 15000$ but here it's sold in the black market more expensive than that b/c of the great value of the king himself. Hope that was helpful.
Best of luck.
Abdul,