new kermit, is too easy to create

[madbar]

so i guess any1 with a standard sub can just buy a green bezel and have the kermit as theres is nothing else differing them at all.

leaves alot for thr grey market to manipulate models and sell at premiuns

[Lz4000]

you cant swap the ceramic insert.
Could have been done with Hulk and LN already, and no one did

[madbar]

LOL the hulk would need dial swap, this justneeds a green bezel and u recreated the watch

[Lz4000]

some one would have taken the Hulk bezel and put it on an LN, if it would work. but it doesnt!

[Harry-57]

If the ceramic insert can be replaced, it can be swapped.

At this stage, why bother?

[rambo99]

the ceramic bezel won't survive a replacement operation.

[Kostas]

you still wouldn't have the slimmer lugs

[Jrcigar]

Originally Posted by Kostas

you still wouldn't have the slimmer lugs

With the new Sub? I’m honestly not sure why Rolex just doesn’t offer the watch (in ss) in three different color bezel options and be done with it, same for the gmt.

[kelv_w]

so the new kermit is the she-hulk?

[spacedinvader]

Originally Posted by madbar

so i guess any1 with a standard sub can just buy a green bezel and have the kermit as theres is nothing else differing them at all.

leaves alot for thr grey market to manipulate models and sell at premiuns

I agree it does seem quite straightforward to make a 41mm LN an LV. However this kind of thinking is based in an assumption (possibly correct) that the green one is going to be rarer and more limited..or more popular than the black one. Have we seen anything to suggest that this will be the case other than the 2 previous LVs being so? Maybe those who buy an LV might want to make it an LN. Swapping a ceramic insert is a much more delicate and potentially disastrous operation than swapping an aluminium one though.

[grimps]

New size , new movement , new case , new dial and wider bracelet ?
Its a totally different watch that looks the same as the last Sub .
This is what Rolex are great at and the main reason we wont be able to get our hands on one easily

[madbar]

Iam talking about the new LN and LV, the diffrence is only a green bezel, so if u buy the LN, just get green bezel and u have the exact same watch,,,,

iam not talking about previous models, kermit 5digit, would need bezel dial and hands swap, hulk dial and bezel,,,,,,, but new is just bezel swap

[JonOnTime]

Originally Posted by madbar

so i guess any1 with a standard sub can just buy a green bezel and have the kermit as theres is nothing else differing them at all.

leaves alot for thr grey market to manipulate models and sell at premiuns

Why would you spend time worrying about this though? Buy a real watch and enjoy it for all the finest details. People can have fakes, let them. They're subpar anyway.

[Kostas]

Originally Posted by Jrcigar

With the new Sub? I’m honestly not sure why Rolex just doesn’t offer the watch (in ss) in three different color bezel options and be done with it, same for the gmt.

Oh you mean swap a new black subs bezel/insert to the green.

Easier said than done

[AK797]

Originally Posted by madbar

Iam talking about the new LN and LV, the diffrence is only a green bezel, so if u buy the LN, just get green bezel and u have the exact same watch,,,,

iam not talking about previous models, kermit 5digit, would need bezel dial and hands swap, hulk dial and bezel,,,,,,, but new is just bezel swap

An OEM green insert would be hard to find and would probably cost £2-3K now.

[Sandpit]

Originally Posted by Lz4000

you cant swap the ceramic insert.
Could have been done with Hulk and LN already, and no one did

I've seen it done by swapping an 114060 bezel insert with a 116610LV insert

[madbar]

my worry is diluting the rolex market, no card to match that you have bought the orginal would = not knowing, thats why iam skeptical, even on 16110LV, that if u dont have the full set you can never know if it was orginal kermit or not, same as hulk. the parts swap in value would double the profit spend on the parts.

now in next 10yrs there will be many on sale green bezel no papers if they fetch a preminum, then its shady

[peterpl]

I've seen a few ppl do this several years ago already.

They had swapped the LV insert onto their normal black sub. Its the same thing effectively.

[spacedinvader]

Originally Posted by peterpl

I've seen a few ppl do this several years ago already.

They had swapped the LV insert onto their normal black sub. Its the same thing effectively.

Yup, but those Kermit inserts are pretty expensive. But if you want to do that why not I say. Some people will care about the insert colour a watch is born with so they’d have to buy with papers.

Also the thing with the previous Kermit was that it was always limited. There’s nothing to say that there’s any difference in availability in the new models 2 colours.

People have been swapping 16710 inserts around and not many are bothered about what their original insert colour was.

[TheDude]

Currently it makes no difference. -If- someday the new Kermit commands a bigger price on the second hand market then there will be motivation to create frankenwatches. The elevated price would have to be enough to absorb the cost of changing the bezel (unless they install a fake green insert - but fake parts on a used watch is a problem that exists no matter what the model).

Two things, don’t buy watches without papers and don’t buy from untrusted secondary sellers.


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[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by rambo99

the ceramic bezel won't survive a replacement operation.

Yes it would, they are not manufactured as a single piece, just need the right tools to do it


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[ap1]

Originally Posted by Kostas

you still wouldn't have the slimmer lugs

Or longer PR

[JSolution]

It’s a different reference number.

[REFZ]

I've seen pics of a so called Shark in the past which was a regular Submariner with the blue bezel of the WG Submariner so the ceramic bezel can be changed for sure.

[Tools]

Originally Posted by madbar

. . .
leaves alot for thr grey market to manipulate models and sell at premiuns

That wouldn't be the Grey Market.

There are unscrupulous manipulators in every part of commerce, but you would need to see a cost benefit to do as you suggest.

Finding a black ceramic Sub, then finding a green ceramic insert, then changing them out, is going to be costly. Can that cost be recovered, or is any profit realized from the effort worthwhile?

In the end, we would simply look for an LV on the paperwork, as we presently do for the original 16610LV models.

[brandog]

Good luck finding a genuine ceramic green bezel. AD's dont sell them separately. If you want a new bezel your entire watch needs to go to Rolex and they swap out the old part for the new part, its extremely regulated.

[djyolky]

Originally Posted by Jrcigar

With the new Sub? I’m honestly not sure why Rolex just doesn’t offer the watch (in ss) in three different color bezel options and be done with it, same for the gmt.

Because trickling in maximizes profits.

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[stylinleems]

I have had these pictures since 2011. A member not sure if on TRF had both the LV and LN and swapped the entire bezel mechanism not just bezel.



Here's the reverse (personally don't like it):

[Johny]

Originally Posted by stylinleems

I have had these pictures since 2011. A member not sure if on TRF had both the LV and LN and swapped the entire bezel mechanism not just bezel.



Here's the reverse (personally don't like it):

I think that there are more pics in the modified rolex thread.

[Seddyspaghetti]

yeah, slightly bummed about that too. guess papers will be a must!